| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:06 - Apr 10 with 767 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:46 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
His deal seems a tad short sighted given that we were highly likely to be relegated. But there was a bit of an unknown in how he'd perform and enhance his worth. City obviously didnt see him as a future superstar or they wouldn't have let him go for the reported 15m (plus some add-ons). Would have been nice to make a better profit on him but it is what it is. |
Was it short-sighted?
Would he have agreed to come to the club without such a clause in the contract?
Are people suggesting we should have passed on signing him, if he would only agree to join with such a clause in the contract?
Of course, still all conjecture right now, as we only have these media stories to base any speculation on. [Post edited 10 Apr 10:19]
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| I make both you AND Fookers right on this one on 10:16 - Apr 10 with 730 views | Dyland |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:06 - Apr 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Was it short-sighted?
Would he have agreed to come to the club without such a clause in the contract?
Are people suggesting we should have passed on signing him, if he would only agree to join with such a clause in the contract?
Of course, still all conjecture right now, as we only have these media stories to base any speculation on. [Post edited 10 Apr 10:19]
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| I make both you AND Fookers right on this one on 10:30 - Apr 10 with 703 views | blueasfook |
| I make both you AND Fookers right on this one on 10:16 - Apr 10 by Dyland |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:36 - Apr 10 with 681 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:39 - Apr 10 by Juggsy |
Ashton should have kept his gob shut about being well, well, well protected shouldn't he? The truth probably looks more that we wouldn't have signed Delap without these clauses in place to protect his future and we hadn't signed him then Southampton were lined up to sign him on those terms. If the 30m plus 20% of profits to Man City is true then Ashtons expectation management of fans has been severely lacking there. I love that we had him for a year, but sometimes less words out in public would maybe serve us better.
EDIT: Didn't mean to quote you there TheFlashingSmile, was not a post in answer to yours! [Post edited 10 Apr 9:41]
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Until the facts come out, rather than rumours and newspaper gossip, we won't know exactly what Ashton meant by being well, well, well protected.
I'm pretty sure, from what we've seen so far, Ashton won't be doing something that's bad for the club unless he really has no choice. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:39 - Apr 10 with 674 views | Dyland |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:46 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
His deal seems a tad short sighted given that we were highly likely to be relegated. But there was a bit of an unknown in how he'd perform and enhance his worth. City obviously didnt see him as a future superstar or they wouldn't have let him go for the reported 15m (plus some add-ons). Would have been nice to make a better profit on him but it is what it is. |
Key factors too, a) Liam has performed at a level hoped for but not guaranteed and b) we were after another number nine with at least the same desired ceiling/attributes.
Fans are losing their sh1t based on presumptions and farts in the wind. As you say dear chap, it's disappointing but tis what it is. No one did a crap deal, unless you're so upset by the reality of the situtation and in hindsight that you'd rather Liam hadn't come at all. Which would be silly. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:39 - Apr 10 with 669 views | NeedhamChris |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:36 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Until the facts come out, rather than rumours and newspaper gossip, we won't know exactly what Ashton meant by being well, well, well protected.
I'm pretty sure, from what we've seen so far, Ashton won't be doing something that's bad for the club unless he really has no choice. |
I don't think anyone can argue that having Delap for a season and making a profit doing so can be considered bad for the club. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:41 - Apr 10 with 666 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:17 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Nick Ames is in the know at ITFC. |
Unlikely he's in the know of intimate contract details unless they've been deliberately leaked.
And don't forget, there are three authors attributed to this story. It's not even a very long story, so probably one of them wrote it and the other two contributed a little bit. Until Nick confirms his contribution we don't even know if the £30m figure comes from him. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:43 - Apr 10 with 658 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:46 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
His deal seems a tad short sighted given that we were highly likely to be relegated. But there was a bit of an unknown in how he'd perform and enhance his worth. City obviously didnt see him as a future superstar or they wouldn't have let him go for the reported 15m (plus some add-ons). Would have been nice to make a better profit on him but it is what it is. |
When you think of it as Relegation clause set at 2x the transfer fee we paid it seems sensible. People who think we should have set the fee at 60 million or something are just not being realistic. Besides, a relegation sale never fetches the full value of a player anyway. The player wants out and the selling club have no bargaining power as they are forced to sell. | |
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| Indeed on 10:48 - Apr 10 with 608 views | Dyland |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:43 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
When you think of it as Relegation clause set at 2x the transfer fee we paid it seems sensible. People who think we should have set the fee at 60 million or something are just not being realistic. Besides, a relegation sale never fetches the full value of a player anyway. The player wants out and the selling club have no bargaining power as they are forced to sell. |
A lot of criticism with hindsight going on here. Fact is, no one had a crystal ball that could predict just how good Liam would be. A point made more galling by our inability to land another number nine who may well have been first choice ahard of Delap. THAT, as many have bemoaned including me, is the bigger criticism of the club.
And no, all of this doesn't make it a good deal, obviously! It's pretty gutting, but hey ho, whatever. Foooootball. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:01 - Apr 10 with 580 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:46 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
His deal seems a tad short sighted given that we were highly likely to be relegated. But there was a bit of an unknown in how he'd perform and enhance his worth. City obviously didnt see him as a future superstar or they wouldn't have let him go for the reported 15m (plus some add-ons). Would have been nice to make a better profit on him but it is what it is. |
Not really sure it's "short-sighted" if it's the best we could do to get the player.
I'm just glad we've had him for a year, I've enjoyed seeing him in a Town shirt. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:02 - Apr 10 with 570 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:05 - Apr 10 by Benters |
I guess you learnt a lot about deals and money when you were boss of B&Q 🤓 |
We're struggling now I can't sell hedge trimmers to the USA. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:02 - Apr 10 with 578 views | portmanking |
From The Athletic's Daniel Taylor this morning:
"Just because there is a buyout clause in place, don’t automatically assume that Delap will go for a fixed price, either. If two clubs, or more, meet the clause, it is quite possible that follow-up offers will be made and the numbers will start to go up."
Essentially, if a bidding war ensues, we could be looking at much more than £30m. | | | |
| That's not true though on 11:04 - Apr 10 with 570 views | Dyland |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:02 - Apr 10 by portmanking |
From The Athletic's Daniel Taylor this morning:
"Just because there is a buyout clause in place, don’t automatically assume that Delap will go for a fixed price, either. If two clubs, or more, meet the clause, it is quite possible that follow-up offers will be made and the numbers will start to go up."
Essentially, if a bidding war ensues, we could be looking at much more than £30m. |
Any bidding war would be over personal terms, not the transfer fee.
Danny may want to edit that :) | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:04 - Apr 10 with 563 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 10:39 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
I don't think anyone can argue that having Delap for a season and making a profit doing so can be considered bad for the club. |
Plenty are.
I've seen several say "pants pulled down". | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:05 - Apr 10 with 561 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:02 - Apr 10 by portmanking |
From The Athletic's Daniel Taylor this morning:
"Just because there is a buyout clause in place, don’t automatically assume that Delap will go for a fixed price, either. If two clubs, or more, meet the clause, it is quite possible that follow-up offers will be made and the numbers will start to go up."
Essentially, if a bidding war ensues, we could be looking at much more than £30m. |
No the bidding war will be whoever offers him the best wage, not the transfer fee. | |
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| That's not true though on 11:05 - Apr 10 with 557 views | blueasfook |
| That's not true though on 11:04 - Apr 10 by Dyland |
Any bidding war would be over personal terms, not the transfer fee.
Danny may want to edit that :) |
We are in sync today fella. Are you me? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:07 - Apr 10 with 545 views | tractorboy1978 |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:02 - Apr 10 by portmanking |
From The Athletic's Daniel Taylor this morning:
"Just because there is a buyout clause in place, don’t automatically assume that Delap will go for a fixed price, either. If two clubs, or more, meet the clause, it is quite possible that follow-up offers will be made and the numbers will start to go up."
Essentially, if a bidding war ensues, we could be looking at much more than £30m. |
We cannot contractually turn down £30m though if it is a release clause, so that cannot be right. | | | |
| Ashton really is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't on 11:08 - Apr 10 with 538 views | Dyland |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 09:39 - Apr 10 by Juggsy |
Ashton should have kept his gob shut about being well, well, well protected shouldn't he? The truth probably looks more that we wouldn't have signed Delap without these clauses in place to protect his future and we hadn't signed him then Southampton were lined up to sign him on those terms. If the 30m plus 20% of profits to Man City is true then Ashtons expectation management of fans has been severely lacking there. I love that we had him for a year, but sometimes less words out in public would maybe serve us better.
EDIT: Didn't mean to quote you there TheFlashingSmile, was not a post in answer to yours! [Post edited 10 Apr 9:41]
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He was criticised for months because he remained tight lipped.
Why are fans presuming this "very well protected" only applies to Delap's contract? Is he not referring as much to the club? The notion ITFC is suddenly in a worse position over one player's contract, based on incredible knowledge in hindsight, is patently absurd.
And no, I don't think it was a great deal cos Liam hasn't single handedly kept us up! More question marks elsewhere, and particularly the lack of another strong nuber nine. | |
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| Dingdong bantz over last 25 years catching up and morphing our brains on 11:09 - Apr 10 with 540 views | Dyland |
| That's not true though on 11:05 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
We are in sync today fella. Are you me? |
I blame AI. | |
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| Indeed on 11:10 - Apr 10 with 539 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Indeed on 10:48 - Apr 10 by Dyland |
A lot of criticism with hindsight going on here. Fact is, no one had a crystal ball that could predict just how good Liam would be. A point made more galling by our inability to land another number nine who may well have been first choice ahard of Delap. THAT, as many have bemoaned including me, is the bigger criticism of the club.
And no, all of this doesn't make it a good deal, obviously! It's pretty gutting, but hey ho, whatever. Foooootball. |
The fact that we struggled so badly to land another number nine makes me thank God we got the Delap deal done. Who is this fabled player that Delap took the place of?
Another thing worth remembering: at the time several on here were saying we'd paid over the odds for him! Probably the same people now moaning we're selling under the odds. | |
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| Dingdong bantz over last 25 years catching up and morphing our brains on 11:10 - Apr 10 with 541 views | blueasfook |
| Dingdong bantz over last 25 years catching up and morphing our brains on 11:09 - Apr 10 by Dyland |
I blame AI. |
Have i really been on here for 25 years? I have wasted my life. | |
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| You have you silly twonk on 11:11 - Apr 10 with 533 views | Dyland |
| Dingdong bantz over last 25 years catching up and morphing our brains on 11:10 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
Have i really been on here for 25 years? I have wasted my life. |
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| That's not true though on 11:12 - Apr 10 with 533 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| That's not true though on 11:04 - Apr 10 by Dyland |
Any bidding war would be over personal terms, not the transfer fee.
Danny may want to edit that :) |
Can I check, is it The Guardian we're taking as gospel now and not The Athletic anymore? | |
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| Innit on 11:13 - Apr 10 with 527 views | Dyland |
| Indeed on 11:10 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The fact that we struggled so badly to land another number nine makes me thank God we got the Delap deal done. Who is this fabled player that Delap took the place of?
Another thing worth remembering: at the time several on here were saying we'd paid over the odds for him! Probably the same people now moaning we're selling under the odds. |
The Greek lad? Plus the bloke at Chelsea? And possibl/probably other attempted deals.
Its all hindsight innit Jerseys. It's a bit of a gut, but the club will be fine. There are sounder sticks to beat Ashton with imo. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:13 - Apr 10 with 1009 views | Herbivore |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:02 - Apr 10 by portmanking |
From The Athletic's Daniel Taylor this morning:
"Just because there is a buyout clause in place, don’t automatically assume that Delap will go for a fixed price, either. If two clubs, or more, meet the clause, it is quite possible that follow-up offers will be made and the numbers will start to go up."
Essentially, if a bidding war ensues, we could be looking at much more than £30m. |
I guess hypothetically there could be a scenario where the clause has been drafted so that a bid over £30m has to be accepted but that if higher bids are made we are allowed to accept those and reject lower offers even if they meet the £30m release clause. Something like that protects the club as well as the player as it means he can go for £30m if there's only one buyer but we can negotiate a better deal if we have some power to only accept the highest offer over £30m. That raises a couple of questions, the first being whether such a clause is possible, the other being whether clubs would still just prefer to save their money to throw at Delap rather than throwing it at us. |  |
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