| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:13 - Apr 10 with 932 views | Herbivore |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:02 - Apr 10 by portmanking |
From The Athletic's Daniel Taylor this morning:
"Just because there is a buyout clause in place, don’t automatically assume that Delap will go for a fixed price, either. If two clubs, or more, meet the clause, it is quite possible that follow-up offers will be made and the numbers will start to go up."
Essentially, if a bidding war ensues, we could be looking at much more than £30m. |
I guess hypothetically there could be a scenario where the clause has been drafted so that a bid over £30m has to be accepted but that if higher bids are made we are allowed to accept those and reject lower offers even if they meet the £30m release clause. Something like that protects the club as well as the player as it means he can go for £30m if there's only one buyer but we can negotiate a better deal if we have some power to only accept the highest offer over £30m. That raises a couple of questions, the first being whether such a clause is possible, the other being whether clubs would still just prefer to save their money to throw at Delap rather than throwing it at us. |  |
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| That's not true though on 11:15 - Apr 10 with 920 views | blueasfook |
| That's not true though on 11:12 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Can I check, is it The Guardian we're taking as gospel now and not The Athletic anymore? |
Guardian is my go to for Tuscany villa recommendations and ethical Brie outlets. |  |
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| Oooh, you big tease on 11:15 - Apr 10 with 909 views | Dyland |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:13 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
I guess hypothetically there could be a scenario where the clause has been drafted so that a bid over £30m has to be accepted but that if higher bids are made we are allowed to accept those and reject lower offers even if they meet the £30m release clause. Something like that protects the club as well as the player as it means he can go for £30m if there's only one buyer but we can negotiate a better deal if we have some power to only accept the highest offer over £30m. That raises a couple of questions, the first being whether such a clause is possible, the other being whether clubs would still just prefer to save their money to throw at Delap rather than throwing it at us. |
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| That's not true though on 11:19 - Apr 10 with 876 views | DJR |
| That's not true though on 11:15 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
Guardian is my go to for Tuscany villa recommendations and ethical Brie outlets. |
It's sandals for me. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:20 - Apr 10 with 876 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:07 - Apr 10 by tractorboy1978 |
We cannot contractually turn down £30m though if it is a release clause, so that cannot be right. |
I might be being dumb here, but couldn't the clause put in by City be worded as "the bidding starts if someone comes in at £30m, but ITFC can still sell to the highest bid"? So if there's only one bid of £30m we have to sell (Delap's release clause). But if there are multiple bidders then we can sell to the highest (as long as it's above £30m).
That way Delap gets his release clause and Man City get the maximum for their sell-on clause.
I don't know how football contracts are worded, obviously, but this makes sense for all parties. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:21 - Apr 10 with 862 views | NeedhamChris |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:20 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I might be being dumb here, but couldn't the clause put in by City be worded as "the bidding starts if someone comes in at £30m, but ITFC can still sell to the highest bid"? So if there's only one bid of £30m we have to sell (Delap's release clause). But if there are multiple bidders then we can sell to the highest (as long as it's above £30m).
That way Delap gets his release clause and Man City get the maximum for their sell-on clause.
I don't know how football contracts are worded, obviously, but this makes sense for all parties. |
The £30m clause won't have been put in by City, it'll have been insisted on by Delap's team to protect him.
So with that in mind - no - it won't be worded in a way that potentially limits his options. Sadly. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:27 - Apr 10 with 825 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:13 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
I guess hypothetically there could be a scenario where the clause has been drafted so that a bid over £30m has to be accepted but that if higher bids are made we are allowed to accept those and reject lower offers even if they meet the £30m release clause. Something like that protects the club as well as the player as it means he can go for £30m if there's only one buyer but we can negotiate a better deal if we have some power to only accept the highest offer over £30m. That raises a couple of questions, the first being whether such a clause is possible, the other being whether clubs would still just prefer to save their money to throw at Delap rather than throwing it at us. |
Too many Delap transfer threads 
I just posted this in another thread.
Well, no by SuffolkPunchFC 10 Apr 11:22OK, so I don't think it's as simple as this - Herbivore and I disagree on this, but amicably closed it out as agreeing to disagree [wink].
In my opinion (with some experience of writing complex contracts, albeit not football contracts), it will depend on any other related clauses.
If there is a clause that says something like :
'In the event of the club being relegated at the end of season 2024/25, and the club receiving an unconditional offer for the player of at least £30,000,000, then said player may enter negotiations of personal terms, and on successful conclusion of personal terms, must be released from their contract with the club"
If this clause stands in isolation, then Delap will be sold at £30M, and no more - even if other clubs show interest.
However, there may be other clauses that are triggered by the release clause, for example :
"In the event of x.x.x Release Clause, the club has the right to :
a) solicit improved offers from other clubs
b) insert a sell-on of 50% of any future sales
c) ... "
The language would be far more intricate as a legal document, but you'll get the gist of what I'm suggestion.
This is all speculation on my part, and we'll have to wait to see what happens with any sale, but no-one can really have any idea of how a Delep sale will go without having the FULL contract in front of them. Snippets that may have been released to the media are just that - small headlines in isolation.
I'm not trying to put positive spin on the situation - just adding some balance, and suggesting that nothing can be concluded without intimate knowledge of the entire contract(s).
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:28 - Apr 10 with 814 views | BseaBlue |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:13 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
I guess hypothetically there could be a scenario where the clause has been drafted so that a bid over £30m has to be accepted but that if higher bids are made we are allowed to accept those and reject lower offers even if they meet the £30m release clause. Something like that protects the club as well as the player as it means he can go for £30m if there's only one buyer but we can negotiate a better deal if we have some power to only accept the highest offer over £30m. That raises a couple of questions, the first being whether such a clause is possible, the other being whether clubs would still just prefer to save their money to throw at Delap rather than throwing it at us. |
This is definitely a straw that I am going to clutch too, even though it seems very unlikely!
Say it was true, I could quite easily see clubs going up to the £45-50 mill mark. The market is so depleted of out and out 9's with so many of the top clubs looking for strikers that it could work in our advantage.
Probably makes the situation more frustrating to be honest but we live in hope! |  | | |
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| Innit on 11:33 - Apr 10 with 773 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Innit on 11:13 - Apr 10 by Dyland |
The Greek lad? Plus the bloke at Chelsea? And possibl/probably other attempted deals.
Its all hindsight innit Jerseys. It's a bit of a gut, but the club will be fine. There are sounder sticks to beat Ashton with imo. |
The Greek lad didn't want to come. We were after him as well as Delap (we were chasing him long after Delap was already in the door).
You're having a laugh with the Chelsea lad surely? He was injured until the new year... and has broken down again if memory serves. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:39 - Apr 10 with 741 views | Herbivore |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:27 - Apr 10 by SuffolkPunchFC |
Too many Delap transfer threads
I just posted this in another thread.
Well, no by SuffolkPunchFC 10 Apr 11:22OK, so I don't think it's as simple as this - Herbivore and I disagree on this, but amicably closed it out as agreeing to disagree [wink].
In my opinion (with some experience of writing complex contracts, albeit not football contracts), it will depend on any other related clauses.
If there is a clause that says something like :
'In the event of the club being relegated at the end of season 2024/25, and the club receiving an unconditional offer for the player of at least £30,000,000, then said player may enter negotiations of personal terms, and on successful conclusion of personal terms, must be released from their contract with the club"
If this clause stands in isolation, then Delap will be sold at £30M, and no more - even if other clubs show interest.
However, there may be other clauses that are triggered by the release clause, for example :
"In the event of x.x.x Release Clause, the club has the right to :
a) solicit improved offers from other clubs
b) insert a sell-on of 50% of any future sales
c) ... "
The language would be far more intricate as a legal document, but you'll get the gist of what I'm suggestion.
This is all speculation on my part, and we'll have to wait to see what happens with any sale, but no-one can really have any idea of how a Delep sale will go without having the FULL contract in front of them. Snippets that may have been released to the media are just that - small headlines in isolation.
I'm not trying to put positive spin on the situation - just adding some balance, and suggesting that nothing can be concluded without intimate knowledge of the entire contract(s).
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My stance is still that I think the first scenario is more likely, that it's a straightforward we have to accept any and all bids of £30m or above, but I'm happy now to cling to the small hope that we've negotiated something more like the second scenario. I'm not sure how common that would be though or whether Delap would have agreed to it if it was something we could negotiate. I guess we'll see how it plays out soon enough! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:43 - Apr 10 with 717 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:21 - Apr 10 by NeedhamChris |
The £30m clause won't have been put in by City, it'll have been insisted on by Delap's team to protect him.
So with that in mind - no - it won't be worded in a way that potentially limits his options. Sadly. |
Where did I say the £30m clause would have been put in by City?
"the bidding starts if someone comes in at £30m (i.e. we're accepting the player's £30m release clause) but ITFC can still sell to the highest bid".
In what way does that limit Delap's options? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:45 - Apr 10 with 711 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:43 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Where did I say the £30m clause would have been put in by City?
"the bidding starts if someone comes in at £30m (i.e. we're accepting the player's £30m release clause) but ITFC can still sell to the highest bid".
In what way does that limit Delap's options? |
the preceding bit where you wrote "the clause put in by City be worded as ..." i guess?! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:46 - Apr 10 with 712 views | PhilTWTD |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:39 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
My stance is still that I think the first scenario is more likely, that it's a straightforward we have to accept any and all bids of £30m or above, but I'm happy now to cling to the small hope that we've negotiated something more like the second scenario. I'm not sure how common that would be though or whether Delap would have agreed to it if it was something we could negotiate. I guess we'll see how it plays out soon enough! |
That is the situation as I understand it. Offers of £30m are made, club has to accept, agent and player go away and discuss terms with those clubs who have offered that price. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:48 - Apr 10 with 703 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:28 - Apr 10 by BseaBlue |
This is definitely a straw that I am going to clutch too, even though it seems very unlikely!
Say it was true, I could quite easily see clubs going up to the £45-50 mill mark. The market is so depleted of out and out 9's with so many of the top clubs looking for strikers that it could work in our advantage.
Probably makes the situation more frustrating to be honest but we live in hope! |
Not sure why it seems very unlikely - it benefits all parties. At £30m Delap gets his release clause, but with higher offers being acceptable should there be multiple bids, then ITFC get more for the sale, City get more for their sell-on, and Delap gets more for his percentage of the sale. And whoever has the deepest pockets/most desire gets their man. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:49 - Apr 10 with 683 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:46 - Apr 10 by PhilTWTD |
That is the situation as I understand it. Offers of £30m are made, club has to accept, agent and player go away and discuss terms with those clubs who have offered that price. |
So whoever buys him will pay £30m. The negotiable part is the contract terms any club will offer him? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:50 - Apr 10 with 669 views | PhilTWTD |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:48 - Apr 10 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not sure why it seems very unlikely - it benefits all parties. At £30m Delap gets his release clause, but with higher offers being acceptable should there be multiple bids, then ITFC get more for the sale, City get more for their sell-on, and Delap gets more for his percentage of the sale. And whoever has the deepest pockets/most desire gets their man. |
Whoever has the deepest pockets will probably get their man, but not via the fee, via personal terms. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:51 - Apr 10 with 638 views | Herbivore |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:46 - Apr 10 by PhilTWTD |
That is the situation as I understand it. Offers of £30m are made, club has to accept, agent and player go away and discuss terms with those clubs who have offered that price. |
That's my understanding of how these things usually work. Oh well, £30m it is! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:51 - Apr 10 with 634 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:45 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
the preceding bit where you wrote "the clause put in by City be worded as ..." i guess?! |
Did you miss the bit in brackets?
They put their clause in already knowing Delap wants the £30m release clause. The £30m bit isn't put in by them, it's an acceptance of the player wanting that part. Come on Blueas, it's not that difficult! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:52 - Apr 10 with 635 views | PhilTWTD |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:49 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
So whoever buys him will pay £30m. The negotiable part is the contract terms any club will offer him? |
Indeed. Why would anyone offer any more if an offer at that level has to be accepted? Once offers are accepted - and my understanding is that the £30m is correct - the bidding war in terms of personal terms gets under way. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:52 - Apr 10 with 632 views | blueasfook |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:51 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
That's my understanding of how these things usually work. Oh well, £30m it is! |
Not sure whether to give this an uppie or a downie?! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:54 - Apr 10 with 604 views | sjg |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:52 - Apr 10 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed. Why would anyone offer any more if an offer at that level has to be accepted? Once offers are accepted - and my understanding is that the £30m is correct - the bidding war in terms of personal terms gets under way. |
You couldn’t have said this 2 days ago and stopped the boring ‘debate’! | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:56 - Apr 10 with 585 views | Herbivore |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:52 - Apr 10 by blueasfook |
Not sure whether to give this an uppie or a downie?! |
You can do both if you refresh the page. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:57 - Apr 10 with 580 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:39 - Apr 10 by Herbivore |
My stance is still that I think the first scenario is more likely, that it's a straightforward we have to accept any and all bids of £30m or above, but I'm happy now to cling to the small hope that we've negotiated something more like the second scenario. I'm not sure how common that would be though or whether Delap would have agreed to it if it was something we could negotiate. I guess we'll see how it plays out soon enough! |
Yes, I agree it's far from certain that we could have negotiated something along the lines of the second option - to some extent it depends on how strong our hand was in the negotiations, and how good the club's poker-face is.
My point all along is that there is a possible alternative scenario, and we can't know the truth of it without have the detail of the full contract. | | | |
| Exactly. (n/t) on 11:58 - Apr 10 with 569 views | Bloots |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:50 - Apr 10 by PhilTWTD |
Whoever has the deepest pockets will probably get their man, but not via the fee, via personal terms. |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:59 - Apr 10 with 570 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 11:50 - Apr 10 by PhilTWTD |
Whoever has the deepest pockets will probably get their man, but not via the fee, via personal terms. |
Is mine and Herb's scenario not a possibility?
£30m max doesn't benefit us or Man City particularly. Not only do City get way less of a sell-on... but a potential rival to them gets the most exciting young English striker for relative peanuts.
Unless they thought he wouldn't amount to much so weren't that bothered. | |
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