| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:49 - Apr 9 with 1215 views | Sarge |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 16:40 - Apr 9 by Zx1988 |
If true (and the name of one of the authors certainly lends it more credence than other reports on this subject) this would appear to be a fairly woeful piece of negotiating on Ashton's part, especially if the clause opens the club up to being doubly shafted upon relegation. |
To be honest, both transfer windows this season have been littered with really terrible deals. In L1 and the Championship I would have expected Ashton and the team to get the best deal no matter what. In the Premier League I think they’ve had their pants pulled down again and again and again. |  | |  |
| It's a terrible deal.... on 17:50 - Apr 9 with 1209 views | Markp68 |
| It's a terrible deal.... on 17:12 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Muric cost GBP8M just for context, it's not good for us whatever way you try and spin it with his current market value. |
I think you’ll find I said it’s undervalued for what he’s now worth and therefore wasn’t spinning anything. I prefer facts to conjecture that is all…and frankly we don’t have them as the club never publicises the cost of deals in or out | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:51 - Apr 9 with 1209 views | Dubtractor |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:48 - Apr 9 by NeedhamChris |
The need to be so overwhelmingly positive is a bit nauseating. |
I'm inclined to agree.
Sometimes its fine to just concede that a situation is crap. Like this one is.
£30m guaranteed sale price at the start of the season may have seemed decent, but here and now its horrible.
No need to grumble too much at the club, hindsight is only there after the event, but we've got a player now worth WAY more than we'll be able to sell him for. [Post edited 9 Apr 17:51]
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:53 - Apr 9 with 1178 views | Illinoisblue |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:30 - Apr 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is in so many ways a pointless debate, with massive amounts of speculation.
If this most recent media report / speculation is true, it's still focussed on one clause. And one that no-one knows the exact wording of, or other contractually clauses that may be linked to it.
Football contracts are so very complex these days - look at the number of delays there often are finalising a transfer, as the lawyers unpick all the various clauses - sometime linking back through previous moves.
Maybe stress over it a little less, and wait to see what the deal is when he is actually sold. It will be what it will be, and we'll know by the end of August. |
Not sure anyone’s stressing. It is what it is. We’re a long way removed from Colin Quaner and Leon Best, that’s a good thing. We’re making a very small profit on one of the most sought after young English strikers in a generation when the transfer market is insane. That’s not a good thing. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:53 - Apr 9 with 1166 views | DJR |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:42 - Apr 9 by bsw72 |
A release clause in a players contract is entered on behalf of the player by their agent, selling club will not have requested it.
The buy-back clause would have been entered on behalf of the selling club and Delap (Agent) will have had to accept - but it carries no risk to Delap so not an issue adding. |
Do we know what the buy-back value is?
Is it always the same as the release clause?
Could it be lower? |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:55 - Apr 9 with 1137 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:51 - Apr 9 by Dubtractor |
I'm inclined to agree.
Sometimes its fine to just concede that a situation is crap. Like this one is.
£30m guaranteed sale price at the start of the season may have seemed decent, but here and now its horrible.
No need to grumble too much at the club, hindsight is only there after the event, but we've got a player now worth WAY more than we'll be able to sell him for. [Post edited 9 Apr 17:51]
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i find the relentless negativity from some similarly nauseating.
it could be much better, it could be much, much worse. | |
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| Yeah, it's odd isn't it.... on 17:56 - Apr 9 with 1134 views | Bloots |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:48 - Apr 9 by NeedhamChris |
The need to be so overwhelmingly positive is a bit nauseating. |
...not sure why people can't just be realistic.
There's no issue with saying it's a disappointing (probable) outcome, it's as if some people are scared to admit it.
Bet they are too macho to cry as well. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:56 - Apr 9 with 1121 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:53 - Apr 9 by Illinoisblue |
Not sure anyone’s stressing. It is what it is. We’re a long way removed from Colin Quaner and Leon Best, that’s a good thing. We’re making a very small profit on one of the most sought after young English strikers in a generation when the transfer market is insane. That’s not a good thing. |
is it better that we make a small profit or soton do? | |
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| It's a terrible deal.... on 17:58 - Apr 9 with 1097 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| It's a terrible deal.... on 16:49 - Apr 9 by Bloots |
....we are gonna make about £10m on the most valuable asset the club has ever had, at a time when there's more money being paid in transfer fees than ever before.
We have a hopeless record when it comes to selling players under the new ownership. |
Ah, so we should have pulled out and let Southampton sign him. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:58 - Apr 9 with 1098 views | itfc48 |
Are you able to add a TWTD understands Phil? I’m assuming this is probably Delap’s agent going to work now that relegation is almost a foregone conclusion. I hope the lad gets a terrific contract as he’s been excellent for us. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:58 - Apr 9 with 1091 views | Guthrum |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:48 - Apr 9 by NeedhamChris |
The need to be so overwhelmingly positive is a bit nauseating. |
So, frankly, is the howling outrage that we aren't able to profit massively from a player we didn't discover or develop, but bought at a discount in exchange for more stringent terms. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:01 - Apr 9 with 1058 views | DJR |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:17 - Apr 9 by DublinBlue84 |
You have no idea how football transfers work.
Everyone who wants him will bid £30m and he'll then be able to talk to anyone and everyone who bids that. Nobody can stop them. If someone bids £35m because they have some sort of desire to burn cash for whatever reason (which would be idiotic), the player could still turn them down to join the club who bid £30m if he wants.
People who are talking about auctions and people offering higher amounts are totally ignorant to how the whole things works. When a release clause is involved there is no benefit to paying a cent more. This is not like a normal transfer where there is no release clause. |
I don't think I've ever claimed to be the font of all knowledge. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:01 - Apr 9 with 1053 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:42 - Apr 9 by bsw72 |
A release clause in a players contract is entered on behalf of the player by their agent, selling club will not have requested it.
The buy-back clause would have been entered on behalf of the selling club and Delap (Agent) will have had to accept - but it carries no risk to Delap so not an issue adding. |
There are multiple sides/lawyers involved in the contracts. They will all be negotiating what clauses can go in to be agreed.
The question was, why would Man City's lawyers agree to a clause in the contracts (since all sides need to agree to everything before they finally gets signed) if it were to have a negative material impact on what they might get in the future. The various contracts are all linked, since they can potentially impact any of the parties.
So, a clause like this (if it's as simple as people are assuming, and truly caps what he'll be sold for), that devalues Man City's sell on clause. You would have expected that they would object to such a clause. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:02 - Apr 9 with 1047 views | NeedhamChris |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:55 - Apr 9 by positivity |
i find the relentless negativity from some similarly nauseating.
it could be much better, it could be much, much worse. |
I'm not too frustrated by it, if I was going to sum it up it's just a little but 'meh'
Good deal in the sense we got Liam Delap for a year, who was a pleasure to watch, and we made a little bit of money.
Bad deal in the sense we took on an asset, developed them into a high high value asset with massive potential but are now limited to selling him at a significantly discounted amount.
So, meh. Biggest failure for me here is expectation management. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:02 - Apr 9 with 1034 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:58 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
So, frankly, is the howling outrage that we aren't able to profit massively from a player we didn't discover or develop, but bought at a discount in exchange for more stringent terms. |
I think his market value was about right (rising to 20M) as he had not even lit up the Championship but scouts had clearly seen some huge potential.
McKenna had loved him for a long time, we can look back at the line up and comments for Hull at home to know that.
I think he would fetch double that clause on an open market though which is gutting and does not seem we were as protected as we had all thought. [Post edited 9 Apr 18:04]
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:02 - Apr 9 with 1029 views | bluelagos |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:51 - Apr 9 by Dubtractor |
I'm inclined to agree.
Sometimes its fine to just concede that a situation is crap. Like this one is.
£30m guaranteed sale price at the start of the season may have seemed decent, but here and now its horrible.
No need to grumble too much at the club, hindsight is only there after the event, but we've got a player now worth WAY more than we'll be able to sell him for. [Post edited 9 Apr 17:51]
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n/t [Post edited 9 Apr 18:04]
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:03 - Apr 9 with 1015 views | NeedhamChris |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:58 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
So, frankly, is the howling outrage that we aren't able to profit massively from a player we didn't discover or develop, but bought at a discount in exchange for more stringent terms. |
Your hyperbolic "howling outrage" when it reality it's just some real disappointment, suggests you've settled on prioritising attacking other fans instead of even acknowledging any disappointment. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:04 - Apr 9 with 1008 views | bluelagos |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:51 - Apr 9 by Dubtractor |
I'm inclined to agree.
Sometimes its fine to just concede that a situation is crap. Like this one is.
£30m guaranteed sale price at the start of the season may have seemed decent, but here and now its horrible.
No need to grumble too much at the club, hindsight is only there after the event, but we've got a player now worth WAY more than we'll be able to sell him for. [Post edited 9 Apr 17:51]
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Indeed. Last time we got relegated from the Prem our forward line was led by Lee Chapman.
Some contrast. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:04 - Apr 9 with 1003 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:02 - Apr 9 by NeedhamChris |
I'm not too frustrated by it, if I was going to sum it up it's just a little but 'meh'
Good deal in the sense we got Liam Delap for a year, who was a pleasure to watch, and we made a little bit of money.
Bad deal in the sense we took on an asset, developed them into a high high value asset with massive potential but are now limited to selling him at a significantly discounted amount.
So, meh. Biggest failure for me here is expectation management. |
"meh" is about right, some are taking it a bit worse than that! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:05 - Apr 9 with 979 views | itfcsuth |
Ouch.
The one transfer that has really worked out well, and will make what £10m profit on him. Really poor - reality should be a £30m profit player for us.
Since we’ve been in with the big boys, we’ve looked like amateurs in the transfer market, had our pants pulled down on multiple occasions. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:07 - Apr 9 with 955 views | DanTheMan |
Well that's fooking crap. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:07 - Apr 9 with 956 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:05 - Apr 9 by itfcsuth |
Ouch.
The one transfer that has really worked out well, and will make what £10m profit on him. Really poor - reality should be a £30m profit player for us.
Since we’ve been in with the big boys, we’ve looked like amateurs in the transfer market, had our pants pulled down on multiple occasions. |
but it's not and never has been "30m" profit or "10m" profit; it's "10m" profit or no delap and no profit | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:10 - Apr 9 with 940 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:07 - Apr 9 by positivity |
but it's not and never has been "30m" profit or "10m" profit; it's "10m" profit or no delap and no profit |
As you clearly involved in all the negotiations and know exactly how it all went between Southampton, City, Town and his agent do you have any insights from the deal? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:12 - Apr 9 with 917 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:10 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
As you clearly involved in all the negotiations and know exactly how it all went between Southampton, City, Town and his agent do you have any insights from the deal? |
sorry, the non-disclosure clause i signed precludes me...
seriously though, would you rather we didn't sign it and let him go to soton instead? it was widely reported that soton had agreed terms too, or have i misremembered that? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 18:14 - Apr 9 with 892 views | DublinBlue84 |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:45 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
I'd assume we can include our own additionals and sell-on in the deal. Which could well mean substantial extra monies coming in down the line.
Imagine we sold him at £30m with a 20% sell-on and he later goes for twice that (with 10%). That's another nearly £5m banked (after City's share). Then next time for £100m, we get £800k. |
No, we cannot, the release clause is £30m, Someone bids £30m we have to accept.
Insisting it would have to be £30m + clauses means we'd be breaching the release clause. | |
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