| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:15 - Apr 9 with 1536 views | ITFCBlues |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:46 - Apr 9 by PhilTWTD |
I didn't do the interview, so I can't answer that. |
What's your gut feeling then Phil?
30m seems like poor business when you consider its effectively 27m after City's cut. Especially when you consider he could've completely flopped. Paying 15m for a striker who at the time hadn't turned up trees in the championship |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:15 - Apr 9 with 1532 views | DJR |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:01 - Apr 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
There are multiple sides/lawyers involved in the contracts. They will all be negotiating what clauses can go in to be agreed.
The question was, why would Man City's lawyers agree to a clause in the contracts (since all sides need to agree to everything before they finally gets signed) if it were to have a negative material impact on what they might get in the future. The various contracts are all linked, since they can potentially impact any of the parties.
So, a clause like this (if it's as simple as people are assuming, and truly caps what he'll be sold for), that devalues Man City's sell on clause. You would have expected that they would object to such a clause. |
That was the reason as a mere lawyer that I raised the question but maybe Man City's lawyers aren't very good, or they thought the buy-back clause would do the trick (as happened in the case of Philogene) [Post edited 9 Apr 18:31]
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:15 - Apr 9 with 1533 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:12 - Apr 9 by positivity |
sorry, the non-disclosure clause i signed precludes me...
seriously though, would you rather we didn't sign it and let him go to soton instead? it was widely reported that soton had agreed terms too, or have i misremembered that? |
Well I am glad he came to us otherwise we would be on for a rather embarrassing points total. However, with some of the other misses on recruitment last summer, we are basically not making anything on him and got relegated anyway.
In the complexity of deals, you have as much idea as me about whether this clause is what got it over the line for us.
Regardless it's all pointless speculation now anyway. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:17 - Apr 9 with 1514 views | cressi |
If it is its shocking by Ashton maybe a shrewd operator in the championship but David Brent in the Premiership. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:18 - Apr 9 with 1501 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:15 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Well I am glad he came to us otherwise we would be on for a rather embarrassing points total. However, with some of the other misses on recruitment last summer, we are basically not making anything on him and got relegated anyway.
In the complexity of deals, you have as much idea as me about whether this clause is what got it over the line for us.
Regardless it's all pointless speculation now anyway. |
yes, i'm glad he came to us too.
same with cajuste, we'll make a loss on him, but glad to have had him for a year! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:19 - Apr 9 with 1495 views | DublinBlue84 |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:05 - Apr 9 by itfcsuth |
Ouch.
The one transfer that has really worked out well, and will make what £10m profit on him. Really poor - reality should be a £30m profit player for us.
Since we’ve been in with the big boys, we’ve looked like amateurs in the transfer market, had our pants pulled down on multiple occasions. |
We haven't had our pants pulled down neither are we amateurs.
The terms of the deal are what they were, it is likely if we wanted them all our own way the deal would have never happened. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:19 - Apr 9 with 1494 views | Guthrum |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:03 - Apr 9 by NeedhamChris |
Your hyperbolic "howling outrage" when it reality it's just some real disappointment, suggests you've settled on prioritising attacking other fans instead of even acknowledging any disappointment. |
What, after you said you were 'nauseated' by my post? Good day to you, sir. |  |
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| Yeah, it's odd isn't it.... on 18:21 - Apr 9 with 1466 views | Churchman |
| Yeah, it's odd isn't it.... on 17:56 - Apr 9 by Bloots |
...not sure why people can't just be realistic.
There's no issue with saying it's a disappointing (probable) outcome, it's as if some people are scared to admit it.
Bet they are too macho to cry as well. |
You can only be realistic when facts are known. Please tell me what’s realistic about running around blasting away on the basis of newspaper articles and rumours? It’s not a disappointing outcome if it hasn’t happened yet.
The facts are that we don’t know the terms of the original deal and we are unlikely to know what they are when he moves on.
I keep reading how poor the club is at this that and the other including doing deals, cost of players etc and the only realism I see in it is the need for some to vent their anger that were not top six. Anger that we didn’t sign Carlos Costalot from River Cupnsaucer North End because lazy Ashton hadn’t waved Sooty’s magic wand and come up with a perfect worldwide scouting network.
Am I disappointed about how the season has gone? Yes. Bitterly. But I’m trying to see it for what it is. If this club falls into Sheepshanks bankruptcy and/or Ashton and his merry men have lied or mismanaged beyond an acceptable rate (eg firesale), my boot will go in harder than anyone’s, just as it did Evans, Lambert, Hirst and DRS come to that.
Until then, I’ll watch as the outsider I am with interest and hopefully realism in what happens next. |  | | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:27 - Apr 9 with 1438 views | PhilTWTD |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:15 - Apr 9 by ITFCBlues |
What's your gut feeling then Phil?
30m seems like poor business when you consider its effectively 27m after City's cut. Especially when you consider he could've completely flopped. Paying 15m for a striker who at the time hadn't turned up trees in the championship |
Regardless of his spell with Hull, he was sought after, he had talks with Southampton as well as us. I'm guessing in order to get the deal over the line we had to agree to it. As a promoted club you're not in a great position to attract players, particularly if there are more established PL clubs interested, which there may have been. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:39 - Apr 9 with 1343 views | TheBoyBlue |
So be it. £30m or above we've made a profit and we're not exactly going to be short of cash in comparison to other Championship sides. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:57 - Apr 9 with 1264 views | pointofblue |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:04 - Apr 9 by bluelagos |
Indeed. Last time we got relegated from the Prem our forward line was led by Lee Chapman.
Some contrast. |
You've skipped one - we had Armstrong, the Bents, Counago and Stewart up front when we were last relegated from the Premier League.
This is really disappointing if true. And, if true, I'd drop him now and play Hirst for rest of the season, with perhaps Broadhead in reserve. We're down so why risk injuring him as he's not going to increase his value to us by playing and scoring. | |
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| It's a terrible deal.... on 19:01 - Apr 9 with 1246 views | chicoazul |
| It's a terrible deal.... on 16:49 - Apr 9 by Bloots |
....we are gonna make about £10m on the most valuable asset the club has ever had, at a time when there's more money being paid in transfer fees than ever before.
We have a hopeless record when it comes to selling players under the new ownership. |
I suppose this is true but it would also be our record sale and I think it also implies our owners aren’t too fussed about making money on transfers. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:16 - Apr 9 with 1188 views | Herbivore |
This thread is funny. A bunch of people who constantly mock the Guardian as a source and sneer at people who think it's gospel are now treating the Guardian as gospel and gloating in saying "I told you so". Some weird folks around. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:17 - Apr 9 with 1165 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:16 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
This thread is funny. A bunch of people who constantly mock the Guardian as a source and sneer at people who think it's gospel are now treating the Guardian as gospel and gloating in saying "I told you so". Some weird folks around. |
Nick Ames is in the know at ITFC. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:17 - Apr 9 with 1165 views | Dennyx4 |
Reading between the lines, the release clause looks to be double what we have paid for him.
My guess is that the majority, if not all of the add ons relate to staying up, so therefore we have paid £15m and the release clause is £30m.
If we had stayed up, the additional £5m would be triggered totalling a £20m outlay and the release clause then moves to £40m. Again double the outlay.
If, as a poster above has stated, that other players also have release clauses, my guess is that these will be at a similar level. I.E. double what we have paid. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:22 - Apr 9 with 1133 views | LeoMuff |
Liam is about to become very rich indeed. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:27 - Apr 9 with 1111 views | Herbivore |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:17 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Nick Ames is in the know at ITFC. |
And George Monbiot is in the know on climate issues. What's the difference? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:30 - Apr 9 with 1099 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:27 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
And George Monbiot is in the know on climate issues. What's the difference? |
Who? | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:31 - Apr 9 with 1087 views | Herbivore |
You'd love him I reckon. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:31 - Apr 9 with 1080 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:31 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
You'd love him I reckon. |
I bet! | | | |
| Lol. (n/t) on 19:32 - Apr 9 with 1066 views | textbackup |
| Lol. (n/t) on 16:19 - Apr 9 by Bloots |
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Hold on, but Ashton! |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:36 - Apr 9 with 1050 views | Trequartista |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 19:16 - Apr 9 by Herbivore |
This thread is funny. A bunch of people who constantly mock the Guardian as a source and sneer at people who think it's gospel are now treating the Guardian as gospel and gloating in saying "I told you so". Some weird folks around. |
Sports coverage is non-political and rather different to the news coverage. I've never seen anyone say the Daily Mail sports coverage is bigoted or the Guardian sports coverage is woke. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 20:20 - Apr 9 with 920 views | itfctilidie |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 16:48 - Apr 9 by Tootingblue |
£30m is presumably the minimum value to activate his release from contract with us. If as many clubs are interested in him as reported, there could still be a bidding war before a final price is agreed? It's not a re-sale agreement to Man City with a fixed price? |
If someone has a minimum fee then why would there be a bidding war? 10 clubs agree said minimum fee, then the war is over who offers the most wages. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 20:26 - Apr 9 with 911 views | BLUEBEAT |
Ashton is well happy about it…
"All I would say to the fans is that hopefully an element of trust has been built with us since we took over. We know what we're doing and we're well, well protected.”
Ashton insists that players will only depart Town on the club’s own terms this summer: "Hell, yes.” |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 20:40 - Apr 9 with 853 views | itfcsuth |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 18:19 - Apr 9 by DublinBlue84 |
We haven't had our pants pulled down neither are we amateurs.
The terms of the deal are what they were, it is likely if we wanted them all our own way the deal would have never happened. |
We have had our pants pulled down - royally - blue tints on if you think otherwise.
Hutchinson, Philogene, Greaves, Clarke, Muric. £75m+ for that crop - pants down. Now Delap in a different way, pants down.
As I say, since we’ve arrived in the big leagues, we’ve operated like amateurs in the transfer market. It’s easy to get Champ players down to L1 on big wages, but when we had to bridge the gap the other way signing players undervalued, but with real quality for the PL - we found ourselves wanting. |  | | |
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