| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:20 - Apr 9 with 1257 views | DublinBlue84 |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:19 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
A year's service from one of the most exciting young strikers in England, plus £8m at the end of it and people are talking like we've been ripped off!
Had it been a loan, would probably have cost us that much. |
You are always going to have to put such clauses in a players contract to get them to come to newly promoted clubs.
You might argue they are not enough, but it is the only way you will get a player to come. Once you establish yourself as a Premier League team you don't need to worry about relegation release clauses anymore.
Sadly release clauses and allowing players to leave on the cheap is part and parcel of signing exciting young players when you are not an established side, it's either that or sign worse players. [Post edited 9 Apr 17:28]
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:21 - Apr 9 with 1246 views | DJR |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:12 - Apr 9 by bsw72 |
We have to sell at £30M, after that it's down to Delap where he goes - he holds all the negotiating power once that £30M is met, why would a club offer more in transfer fee, they will load his wages? |
I realise that but I am still not sure why Man City agreed to something that could affect their cut.
And given his value is clearly much more than that, would one option for them be to exercise the buy-back clause and then sell him on, not least because they wouldn't want United getting a bargain?
They would presumably not have to pay the full £30 million in practice, given the 20% cut.
But I realise this scenario wouldn't benefit Ipswich to the same extent [Post edited 9 Apr 17:33]
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:22 - Apr 9 with 1236 views | Linners |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:20 - Apr 9 by DublinBlue84 |
You are always going to have to put such clauses in a players contract to get them to come to newly promoted clubs.
You might argue they are not enough, but it is the only way you will get a player to come. Once you establish yourself as a Premier League team you don't need to worry about relegation release clauses anymore.
Sadly release clauses and allowing players to leave on the cheap is part and parcel of signing exciting young players when you are not an established side, it's either that or sign worse players. [Post edited 9 Apr 17:28]
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It's the just the hope isn't it? We could be talking about a guy that plays 100 times for England (or none, of course) and it looks like our profit ceiling is much lower than it could've been. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:23 - Apr 9 with 1218 views | portmanking |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:05 - Apr 9 by sjg |
Omari's is also £30m lol |
It's more than that actually. But one does exist for him, you're right. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:24 - Apr 9 with 1197 views | DublinBlue84 |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:22 - Apr 9 by Linners |
It's the just the hope isn't it? We could be talking about a guy that plays 100 times for England (or none, of course) and it looks like our profit ceiling is much lower than it could've been. |
It's called the realities of being a newly promoted club who might be relegated.
The contracts are always going to be more weighted in a players favour because the player is taking a risk of coming to us. This will only change when you are a more established club not at threat of relegation. Generally release clauses are much higher than relegation release clauses and the way to avoid them is not get relegated. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:27 - Apr 9 with 1163 views | Guthrum |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:20 - Apr 9 by DublinBlue84 |
You are always going to have to put such clauses in a players contract to get them to come to newly promoted clubs.
You might argue they are not enough, but it is the only way you will get a player to come. Once you establish yourself as a Premier League team you don't need to worry about relegation release clauses anymore.
Sadly release clauses and allowing players to leave on the cheap is part and parcel of signing exciting young players when you are not an established side, it's either that or sign worse players. [Post edited 9 Apr 17:28]
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I actually think we've done well out of it. Got a much better striker than we otherwise might have. Plus £8m is a decent lump for a Champ budget, maybe boost pre-parachute turnover by 50%. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:28 - Apr 9 with 1138 views | Herbivore |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 16:32 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Not really, 20% will go to City, I bet his goals made it a 20M deal as well. |
There's not way it would have been £15m plus another £5m if he scores 10 goals. Some of the top ups would have related to us staying up, possibly number of appearances or international calls ups as well. |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:28 - Apr 9 with 1136 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:27 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
I actually think we've done well out of it. Got a much better striker than we otherwise might have. Plus £8m is a decent lump for a Champ budget, maybe boost pre-parachute turnover by 50%. |
Dear god! |  | | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:30 - Apr 9 with 1119 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
This is in so many ways a pointless debate, with massive amounts of speculation.
If this most recent media report / speculation is true, it's still focussed on one clause. And one that no-one knows the exact wording of, or other contractually clauses that may be linked to it.
Football contracts are so very complex these days - look at the number of delays there often are finalising a transfer, as the lawyers unpick all the various clauses - sometime linking back through previous moves.
Maybe stress over it a little less, and wait to see what the deal is when he is actually sold. It will be what it will be, and we'll know by the end of August. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:31 - Apr 9 with 1104 views | itfc48 |
Very disappointing however we’ve all been there on Football Manager! | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:32 - Apr 9 with 1092 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:30 - Apr 9 by SuffolkPunchFC |
This is in so many ways a pointless debate, with massive amounts of speculation.
If this most recent media report / speculation is true, it's still focussed on one clause. And one that no-one knows the exact wording of, or other contractually clauses that may be linked to it.
Football contracts are so very complex these days - look at the number of delays there often are finalising a transfer, as the lawyers unpick all the various clauses - sometime linking back through previous moves.
Maybe stress over it a little less, and wait to see what the deal is when he is actually sold. It will be what it will be, and we'll know by the end of August. |
Valid but it does sounds like 30M is the number which is massively disappointing. | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:34 - Apr 9 with 1066 views | vapour_trail |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 16:19 - Apr 9 by hype313 |
The way this is going, we're gonna end up with a Freddo and a packet of Scampi and Lemon Nik Naks. |
And a couple of friendlies against Lazio! |  |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:34 - Apr 9 with 1071 views | Guthrum |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:28 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Dear god! |
If Town had pushed for better terms, we wouldn't have got him ... and likely be rivalling Southampton for their unwanted records. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:35 - Apr 9 with 1060 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:32 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Valid but it does sounds like 30M is the number which is massively disappointing. |
would you have preferred that we left the deal alone and let soton get him instead? | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:40 - Apr 9 with 1016 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:35 - Apr 9 by positivity |
would you have preferred that we left the deal alone and let soton get him instead? |
Speculation on terms, both were accepted, we will never know. Considering he is the best asset the club has ever had in new world football economics it potentially changes things a little for the summer.
Also to me, makes Philogene seem slightly strange at 22M when we had Clarke at that position. We obviously knew this was very likely in what we would get for Delap.
Hopefully they are know a lot more than me though! ;) [Post edited 9 Apr 17:43]
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:41 - Apr 9 with 996 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:34 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
If Town had pushed for better terms, we wouldn't have got him ... and likely be rivalling Southampton for their unwanted records. |
plu soton would have probably got him and be well clear of their current points position! | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:41 - Apr 9 with 992 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
If this is true, I'd like to know what Ashton meant when he said we were very well protected! | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:42 - Apr 9 with 984 views | bsw72 |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:21 - Apr 9 by DJR |
I realise that but I am still not sure why Man City agreed to something that could affect their cut.
And given his value is clearly much more than that, would one option for them be to exercise the buy-back clause and then sell him on, not least because they wouldn't want United getting a bargain?
They would presumably not have to pay the full £30 million in practice, given the 20% cut.
But I realise this scenario wouldn't benefit Ipswich to the same extent [Post edited 9 Apr 17:33]
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A release clause in a players contract is entered on behalf of the player by their agent, selling club will not have requested it.
The buy-back clause would have been entered on behalf of the selling club and Delap (Agent) will have had to accept - but it carries no risk to Delap so not an issue adding. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:43 - Apr 9 with 982 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:40 - Apr 9 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Speculation on terms, both were accepted, we will never know. Considering he is the best asset the club has ever had in new world football economics it potentially changes things a little for the summer.
Also to me, makes Philogene seem slightly strange at 22M when we had Clarke at that position. We obviously knew this was very likely in what we would get for Delap.
Hopefully they are know a lot more than me though! ;) [Post edited 9 Apr 17:43]
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what does it change for the summer though? they'll have been aware of this long before us and made plans accordingly (including bringing in philogene) | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:44 - Apr 9 with 964 views | Churchman |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:13 - Apr 9 by bluejacko |
I suppose Ashtons has sat down with all these journos and spilled the beans hasn’t he🙄FFS Phil put all these in one thread to save us the heartache! |
No, they had all the journalists in the room when the deal was done. They used their smartphones to take pics of it for when we got relegated. Ashton, because his hard hat was on too tight, reiterated the deal while unveiling the staircase to nowhere too.
The owners knew nothing of the deal because it was an ‘Ashton signing’ and he didn’t want to them to know what an awful deal he’d made for what everyone from here to Pluto know was a future 100 cap, 50 goal England player. It was obvious he’d bang in goals for a poor team at the bottom of the Premier League. Even my cat said so.
Booooooo. Ashton out!! Let’s get Evans back at the helm. Some people were far happier.
Back in my world, nobody truly knows what the deal was or is likely to be when he moves on. If we make a profit, fine. It’s a gamble that paid off. All signings are a gamble. Some work, some don’t. We paid peanuts in PL terms for him and if we get double peanuts back, it’s been worth it. He might have gone to Southampton in which case we’d have got nothing but maybe a one legged Broja. What’s done is done.
After Ashton said we were well protected, I suggest those who are disagreeing on the basis of journalist reports, call him out. Email text, EADT, hound him until you get answers. I’ll be interested to hear the response. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:45 - Apr 9 with 956 views | Guthrum |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down (n/t) on 17:22 - Apr 9 by Linners |
It's the just the hope isn't it? We could be talking about a guy that plays 100 times for England (or none, of course) and it looks like our profit ceiling is much lower than it could've been. |
I'd assume we can include our own additionals and sell-on in the deal. Which could well mean substantial extra monies coming in down the line.
Imagine we sold him at £30m with a 20% sell-on and he later goes for twice that (with 10%). That's another nearly £5m banked (after City's share). Then next time for £100m, we get £800k. | |
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:45 - Apr 9 with 953 views | positivity |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:41 - Apr 9 by LA_Tractor_Boy |
If this is true, I'd like to know what Ashton meant when he said we were very well protected! |
Just a point of order - maybe one for Phil by Linners 9 Apr 17:21Did MA actually say "we're very, very well protected" in relation to Delap? Reading the articles at the time it feels a lot more like a overarching comment relating to the owners etc than the Delap deal in particular - even though most outlets did report it as being about Delap.
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/25020784.ipswich-town-mark-ashton-reported-liam-delap-buy-back-clause/
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| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:46 - Apr 9 with 921 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:43 - Apr 9 by positivity |
what does it change for the summer though? they'll have been aware of this long before us and made plans accordingly (including bringing in philogene) |
Oh they knew. As I say, I hope they have got this plan right! | | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:46 - Apr 9 with 922 views | PhilTWTD |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:45 - Apr 9 by positivity |
Just a point of order - maybe one for Phil by Linners 9 Apr 17:21Did MA actually say "we're very, very well protected" in relation to Delap? Reading the articles at the time it feels a lot more like a overarching comment relating to the owners etc than the Delap deal in particular - even though most outlets did report it as being about Delap.
https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/sport/25020784.ipswich-town-mark-ashton-reported-liam-delap-buy-back-clause/
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I didn't do the interview, so I can't answer that. |  | | |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:48 - Apr 9 with 905 views | NeedhamChris |
| 30m release clause for Delap when we go down on 17:19 - Apr 9 by Guthrum |
A year's service from one of the most exciting young strikers in England, plus £8m at the end of it and people are talking like we've been ripped off!
Had it been a loan, would probably have cost us that much. |
The need to be so overwhelmingly positive is a bit nauseating. | |
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