| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? 07:39 - Apr 21 with 1869 views | ITFC_Forever |
For promoted clubs to give them a chance to compete and strengthen enough to stand a chance?
Radical and daft? Maybe. But not as much daft as the Premier League which exacerbates the status quo.
As was pointed out on here recently, the top 17 will have had six transfer windows to strengthen - the current financial regulations make it very hard for a promoted side to catch up.
And the tiny amount of money that the Prem gives to the rest of the league system helps makes it impossible for clubs to build a squad that compete after promotion.
Parachute money reinforces the staus quo further, which makes our promotion last season all the bigger an achievement, and it’ll be same clubs going up and down every season. [Post edited 21 Apr 8:00]
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 07:46 - Apr 21 with 1816 views | Wickets |
Interesting take on the current situation I'm not sure this is the way forward but I have not got a better idea . Has anyone else got any ideas as I have found it worrying how much we have fallen short . |  | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 07:52 - Apr 21 with 1790 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 07:46 - Apr 21 by Wickets |
Interesting take on the current situation I'm not sure this is the way forward but I have not got a better idea . Has anyone else got any ideas as I have found it worrying how much we have fallen short . |
The obvious and most sensible answer is for the Premier League to share a much higher % through the leagues, but they’ll never do that in the current environment.
Maybe the new Football Regulator will enforce it or come up with a better idea….. but as with other regulatory bodies, it’ll probably be as toothless as the rest of them. | |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 07:55 - Apr 21 with 1781 views | bsw72 |
It’s the PSR rules which are preventing teams competing. The gap has become wider since these rules were introduced as it is more restrictive on the teams coming up than existing PL teams. Until something is done about these “restrictive practices” I very much doubt we will see any form of competitiveness from promoted teams. |  | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 08:05 - Apr 21 with 1727 views | textbackup |
Maybe if the points gap was slightly less… but let’s be honest, we are miles off being, so I don’t think another season would make much difference |  |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 08:36 - Apr 21 with 1591 views | Chrisd |
If this current trend keeps occurring when the promoted sides instantly return back to the Championship, perhaps they will need to look at something? Just don’t think it looks good from the EPL’s point of view if this keeps happening, it’s becoming a closed shop. [Post edited 21 Apr 8:40]
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 08:40 - Apr 21 with 1557 views | brogansnose |
Seemingly this season it's felt like the opposition have more players than us on the pitch leavinh us chasing shadows, yeah we were a man down yesterday, so being allowed to play an extra player would be quite nice to even things up.
I am , of course, being tongue in cheek. |  | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:01 - Apr 21 with 1475 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 08:36 - Apr 21 by Chrisd |
If this current trend keeps occurring when the promoted sides instantly return back to the Championship, perhaps they will need to look at something? Just don’t think it looks good from the EPL’s point of view if this keeps happening, it’s becoming a closed shop. [Post edited 21 Apr 8:40]
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My point exactly, it looks poor on the Premier League, so what are they / can they do? | |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:13 - Apr 21 with 1410 views | BloomBlue |
The PL will end relegation/promotion. What has happened the last two season will simply add to their justification for doing it. |  | | |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:24 - Apr 21 with 1351 views | BlueMoon |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 07:52 - Apr 21 by ITFC_Forever |
The obvious and most sensible answer is for the Premier League to share a much higher % through the leagues, but they’ll never do that in the current environment.
Maybe the new Football Regulator will enforce it or come up with a better idea….. but as with other regulatory bodies, it’ll probably be as toothless as the rest of them. |
This is the answer and it needs to flow down throughout the entire football league.
Finishing 17-20th in the division above should give you only a small amount of additional revenue than the teams that finish 1-4th in the division below. Directing funds away from the ridiculous sums spent at the top of the Prem might reengage fans across the division too.
It's the issue of the free market which, let's face it, is how the Premier League got a foothold above Italian football in the early 90s. If one country (or continent) sorts out it's financial structure there will always be a league elsewhere (see the Middle East) that will pay huge sums to establish itself and attract all the best talent. | | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:35 - Apr 21 with 1312 views | Pinewoodblue |
Unless something is done about it we are heading for a lock out. There are so many clubs, including Ipswich, with overseas owners at some stage they will vote for a closed shop.
One answer would be to increase the number of clubs in Premier League, by having an EPL 2 with number of clubs, in each, reduced to 18.
Another solution, still with 36 clubs, would be to divide the season in two, Rank the clubs involved, odd numbers in one division, evens in the other. The top nine in each group would then fight it out for the title and European places. The second group would be fighting for survival with four relegated.
Looking now at the original post rather than being exempt from relegation perhaps it would be better if promoted clubs, not in EPL in previous two seasons, received a welcome bonus of say £50m. |  |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:39 - Apr 21 with 1288 views | WubbleU |
Everyone knows the truth so most of the media just ignore the bottom 3 because there is nothing to say. It is now clear we have been playing in a mini-league of 3 all season..perhaps we'll win the mini-league!
Most Championship football is bang average with most teams set up to be solid and reliable but nothing entertaining at all.
Are any of the teams heading up going to be 15 to 20 points better than us? As others have said promoted teams have got to reach that level as the 17 already there really shouldn't drop in standard much with all that money. It's like the 3 promoted teams are just guests visiting.
Premier League 2 is the only possible answer with better funding and therefore higher standard across the whole 2nd tier. Just pushes the problem down one level though and would the 'Big 17' want to share the money wider? | | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:42 - Apr 21 with 1269 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:01 - Apr 21 by ITFC_Forever |
My point exactly, it looks poor on the Premier League, so what are they / can they do? |
Not as poor as next season is likely to look. Man City finally being punished after being first rewarded with a massive cheque from FIFA for participating in World Club Championship & being allowed to participate in UEFA’s Champions League. | |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 09:56 - Apr 21 with 1209 views | Bellevue_Blue |
It would just create a similar cycle with more teams, just the same 3 teams being relegated every second year as they would then become the disadvantaged team in year 2.
PSR has done some good for the game in allowing the middle 10 of the PL to really close up to the better teams and creating Fulham, Brighton, Forest, Bournemouth teams that can genuinely challenge the big boys and compete in Europe. That is equally shown by Spurs/ United finishing a couple of spots from relegation.
But in allowing that to happen and completely neglecting the rest of the pyramid, we now have a 17 team league that is all but fixed.
The only way to fix it is to distribute money properly and fairly and we could start by ensuring the parachute money saved goes to the wider pyramid and not back to PL clubs. | | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:00 - Apr 21 with 1194 views | TheBoyBlue |
One idea that has occurred to me is a 17th/18th play-offs. In a one-off 2-legged match I think we would stand a chance of of getting the better of West Ham for example, plus it would mean that it keeps the relegation issue open to the end. | |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:05 - Apr 21 with 1171 views | Mullet |
I’ve always hated parachute payments as I knew it would head this way, teams who have benefitted from rule changes to stay up like Brentford, Bournemouth and Brighton have no real business being in the Prem. But they’re now feeder clubs for the elite, with no chance of relegation.
Let’s be honest though if we were a champ club right now there’s no way we’d even discuss this much. I think a super league is the only way. They prepped for it and didn’t get their way, but they’re won’t stop. Especially if this club competition is a success this summer.
The only comfort we have is that now we get to benefit from parachutes. The club shouldn’t flirt with league one for a long time all being well, but going up and staying up seems as good as it gets. |  |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:08 - Apr 21 with 1159 views | J2BLUE |
Yea I can definitely see the league voting for that!
No chance. |  |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:10 - Apr 21 with 1140 views | southnorfolkblue |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 08:36 - Apr 21 by Chrisd |
If this current trend keeps occurring when the promoted sides instantly return back to the Championship, perhaps they will need to look at something? Just don’t think it looks good from the EPL’s point of view if this keeps happening, it’s becoming a closed shop. [Post edited 21 Apr 8:40]
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Isn’t that what they want? It’s far more likely that they’ll simply cut ties from the EFL and there’ll be no relegation. There are plenty of US owners who come from a franchise background and no relegation | |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:11 - Apr 21 with 1132 views | CopfordBlue |
If any club goes into a new season knowing they can’t be relegated the competition is significantly devalued. The premier league properly applying their own rules would help - the Man City situation is a farce.
My suggestion is that a maximum of 2 promoted clubs can be relegated in their first season. Just think how much life it would breathe into the end of a dead premier league season like this one - us v Leicester would be huge. West Ham, Spurs and Man U would be right in it. [Post edited 21 Apr 10:12]
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:15 - Apr 21 with 1096 views | SmithersJones |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:00 - Apr 21 by TheBoyBlue |
One idea that has occurred to me is a 17th/18th play-offs. In a one-off 2-legged match I think we would stand a chance of of getting the better of West Ham for example, plus it would mean that it keeps the relegation issue open to the end. |
I like that idea. It’s about the only thing I’ve seen that directly addresses the issue. | | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:25 - Apr 21 with 1027 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:15 - Apr 21 by SmithersJones |
I like that idea. It’s about the only thing I’ve seen that directly addresses the issue. |
Seconded. In the current environment there are very few real solutions.
However, if the status quo persists with the 17 other Premier League teams, I can see a moment when an owner takes a risk and opens a legal procedure, the unfairness of PSR to promoted clubs could and probably should be tested under competition rules and restriction of trade. |  |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:57 - Apr 21 with 961 views | SomethingBlue |
Much more likely it goes the other way and the league reduces, in the next five years, to 18 teams – which is what FIFA in particular would like. Expect PL1 and PL2, maybe 2 x 18 or 1 x 18 and 1 x 20, aren't as far away as people think. | |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 11:18 - Apr 21 with 868 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
IMO a promoted club will avoid relegation sooner rather than later.
Forest, Bournemouth, Fulham, Brighton, Brentford, Palace, Wolves or West Ham could all be relegated if they either:
1. make a poor managerial appointment
2. suffer a lot of injuries to key players
3. have a poor transfer window | | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 11:21 - Apr 21 with 851 views | nrb1985 |
Sadly, nothing will be done because the league is now (I would guess) majority owned by U.S. owners, who don't really like the idea of relegation and promotion in any case.
Nobody will be voting for any kind of meaningful change as J2 remarks below.
As much as I love our owners, when you have the even the likes of us and our dear friends up the road being acquired by U.S. owners - the slow march towards the americanisation of the PL and potentially EFL feels somewhat inevitable.
More broadly, I worry also about things like the abolishment of season tickets and playing games on the road etc.
Happy Easter Monday! | | | |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 11:21 - Apr 21 with 850 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I like the idea of a year's grace or maybe the promoted sides get a points bonus. However, it will never be agreed by the league.
I also think the gap has looked big in recent years but at least one side will stay up next season. |  |
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| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 11:31 - Apr 21 with 815 views | algy |
| Could there be a one year exemption from relegation from the Premier League? on 10:10 - Apr 21 by southnorfolkblue |
Isn’t that what they want? It’s far more likely that they’ll simply cut ties from the EFL and there’ll be no relegation. There are plenty of US owners who come from a franchise background and no relegation |
Promotion/relegation is very alien concept to owners very few of whom these days are even European, let alone from the British Isles. Our owners would love us to be in the top division every year. Relegation does not make money. Best hope I see is a EuroSuperLeague to take away 8-10 clubs and most of the TV money the PL gets from all around the world. Then we can reset with a proper functioning football pyramid at all levels as we used to have. [Post edited 21 Apr 11:38]
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