| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here 08:57 - Nov 23 with 3708 views | Dubtractor |
Yesterday wasn't great, certainly not as a spectacle, and we really need to do better against that sort of team at home but.....
It was a 0-0 draw, not a defeat, and comes on the back of 10 points from the last 12. We controlled the game from start to finish (granted without a cutting edge), and ensured that we didn't do a Charlton and give them soft goals to nick the game.
Criticism of the performance yesterday is reasonable as we need to be better, but some of the comments on here last night, off the back of a run of 3 wins and 2 draws in the last 5 games, just seem a bit OTT.
Seems like there are a decent chunk of our fanbase who can't wait to jump on the negatives, just as (being balanced) there are some who are so positive as to almost feel blind to some of the issues that we are still solving.
Just think a bit more patience needs to be shown in terms of the bigger picture, when the general direction of travel seems to be in the right direction. |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:09 - Nov 23 with 570 views | Blue_Heath |
1/3 of the season has gone and yes we could still get second and ought to maybe get a play off place but they are by no means guaranteed.
More worrying is and yes I know we'll spend money but there is not a single potential premier league player in the squad other than perhaps Egeli in my opinion.
The constant tinkering and lack of tactics is a huge concern for me, KM has been worked out by most teams and he needs to find something new in my opinion. |  | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:10 - Nov 23 with 563 views | Mullet |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:09 - Nov 23 by patrickswell |
That’s the Phil Parkinson whose team are the only ones to beat Coventry so far, and whose team also got a better result than we did at Middlesbrough. |
Emphasises my point somewhat. If Coventry are the team to be feared and we are miles off that.... |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:12 - Nov 23 with 553 views | nrb1985 |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:08 - Nov 23 by Mullet |
Hope you had a lovely birthday despite yesterday, but I disagree to some extent. Having a hissy fit and demanding everyone is flogged is pointless.
But we aren't the Ipswich of old. The owners are expecting promotion, we've spent huge sums of money, chosen to tear down the relegation squad and it's not worked. If that was the first one of the season I'd make you right, but it's not.
We should be shoulder to shoulder with Cov or at least stalking in 3rd and we are so far off that. We've won some games with sheer quality, but like yesterday when teams simply refuse to give way to us we are stumped as to what to do.
I do think as fans we need to adjust our mindset a little, this season is a massive opportunity wasted if we don't go up. |
I think most of what you say is right, however - I think it would be unreasonable to expect us to be top of the league given the higher than expected turnover of the squad.
I'm not sure anybody can be blamed for that but once the level of churn was understood, was always going to be a tough ask to start the season particularly well.
I think my primary concern is, many of the signings haven't worked so far and we are now in November and haven't seen much in the way of green shoots (Akpom and McAteer yesterday a good example). This inevitably means more new faces in Jan which arguably makes things more tricky not easier for KM. | | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:17 - Nov 23 with 536 views | nrb1985 |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:42 - Nov 23 by PhilTWTD |
Indeed, we created more than enough chances to win yesterday, but our execution in front of goal wasn't good enough. We made their keeper make saves but not really any you'd stand up and applaud. One or two are a bit anxious in front of goal at the moment, Akpom, Walle Egeli, McAteer.
But, on the plus side, unlike earlier in the season, we remained patient, kept to the script and didn't panic when we hadn't scored, so there was never any danger of a repeat of Charlton. This is still a team in development, so think a bit of patience is needed. Still fully expect us to be in the top two come the end of the season. |
Execution in front of goal has been really poor all season.
Just in the last few games, Nunez misses a last gasp open goal v Watford and McAteer and even worse one yesterday.
Lots of attacking talent but unlike 23/24, I'm not sure how many of the new guys can be relied upon for 10-15 goals a season like Broadhead and Chaplin were. Clarke I think will, struggling for the rest.
Even Sarmiento was far better in front of goal than some of the current crop. | | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:21 - Nov 23 with 516 views | chicoazul |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:28 - Nov 23 by Mullet |
I'm not suggesting booing and that, I'm talking about how the analysis and narrative goes on here and elsewhere.
McKenna is on Prem money (good Prem money) and he can't out think Phil Parkinson with an embarassment of riches. That's not a one off either. People are still acting like we should be grateful he's here and these players opted to play for us.
We're not little old Ipswich anymore. |
What effect do you expect changing the fans mindset analysis or narrative in here and elsewhere will have on performances on the pitch? |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:22 - Nov 23 with 515 views | chicoazul |
Spot on Dubbers. Our spell in the Prem has absolutely boiled some brains in here. Still, they’ll be at the parade in May. | |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:23 - Nov 23 with 509 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Absolutely. And it's the same usual suspects losing their sh!t over a draw. I've even seen one of the numpties saying McKenna Out. |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:33 - Nov 23 with 473 views | Mullet |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:21 - Nov 23 by chicoazul |
What effect do you expect changing the fans mindset analysis or narrative in here and elsewhere will have on performances on the pitch? |
I don't know if it would, but the fact that anything deemed remotely negative is greeted with a few bringing up spurious counter-arguments and living in an alternative blue tinted universe is baffling.
It's really hard to have honest discussions about the fact we've underachieved without a) banging on about 2-3 seasons ago b) blaming one of the designated scapegoats c) pretending that all these games are one off examples of bad luck.
It seems weird to me people don't want to accept we are at a massive advantage this season and have pissed so much of it away already. | |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:36 - Nov 23 with 459 views | cbower |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:19 - Nov 23 by Mullet |
We are currently 8th so "if" is a big hinge moment there. Given we lost at Blackburn last time and they've picked up a bit it's another game where (like yesterday) we can stumble.
The season is August to May, and the league table is the only thing that counts. We might go on and win the league from here, but there's no point pretending we've not been good enough for where we should be and the quality this season is poor across the division.
Understanding is good, but I think we've given the lads a relatively easy ride based on what they've produced thus far. |
We are clearly in touch with 2nd place and not far off the play offs. However, I suspect like myself Mullet you have seen relatively little in 15 games to really enthuse you. In 41 starts and more than 20 sub appearances we have zero goals from Szmodics, Akpom, McAteer, Walle-Egeli, Taylor, Cajuste and 1 from Azon. Not too many assists in there either. Yes we beat Sheffield United 5-0 but they self destructed. Yes we beat Norwich and it was great. Yes we beat Pompey and WBA. Yes, back to back 4-1 away wins look good but in both games there were moments the game really could've been very different. Yet I am far from inspired. It's disjointed, slow and at times, I have to say it, frustratingly dull. It screams so loud that we have no creative no 10. People keep saying Akpom and Szmodics have played 10 in their career before. Yes, but not in the creative way McKenna needs in his system. They are both 2nd striker 10s and don't have the vision needed for a McKenna 10. It's now 50 years supporting Town for me and in all that time I think, Robson years included, the off field position of the club is stronger than ever. On the field, I just fear we maybe about to spaff the best opportunity we could have to get back to the Premier League playing a style of football that plays directly into the hands of lesser talented teams. [Post edited 23 Nov 11:11]
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| As I noted yesterday…. on 10:51 - Nov 23 with 436 views | Dubtractor |
| As I noted yesterday…. on 10:06 - Nov 23 by Bloots |
….we really just need our “flair” players to have more of an impact.
Without them we’re alright, but nothing special really.
If one or two of them turn up and influence the game positively every week (there’s enough of them!) then we’ll win the majority of our games and be close to where we should be.
At the moment, as a group, they are too inconsistent.
If that inconsistency remains throughout the season, or their influence disappears entirely, that’s when we need to start asking serious questions. |
Agree with that, but in reality having those 'x-factor' players is often the difference for most successful teams.
In games like yesterday, we're simply not going to create gilt edged chances, because there are too many defenders in the way, but that's where those flair players need to earn their money. I've seen people bemoan that without a few Philogene worldies we'd have a worse home record, but that ignores the whole point of having those players - to pull something exceptional out of the hat to unlock defences.
Very evidently, nothing was pulled out of any hats yesterday! | |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:55 - Nov 23 with 424 views | Illinoisblue |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:08 - Nov 23 by Mullet |
Hope you had a lovely birthday despite yesterday, but I disagree to some extent. Having a hissy fit and demanding everyone is flogged is pointless.
But we aren't the Ipswich of old. The owners are expecting promotion, we've spent huge sums of money, chosen to tear down the relegation squad and it's not worked. If that was the first one of the season I'd make you right, but it's not.
We should be shoulder to shoulder with Cov or at least stalking in 3rd and we are so far off that. We've won some games with sheer quality, but like yesterday when teams simply refuse to give way to us we are stumped as to what to do.
I do think as fans we need to adjust our mindset a little, this season is a massive opportunity wasted if we don't go up. |
“So far off 3rd”??? Win our game in hand and we’d be 3rd. |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:00 - Nov 23 with 419 views | The_Major |
I don’t think anyone is saying that yesterday was a rip roaring success, because it wasn’t, but yes, some of the reaction is completely overboard.
The impression I got from the commentary was a lot of earnest endeavour let down by some woefully poor finishing. We lacked a cutting edge, and although only Coventry and Hull have scored more goals than us – it should be pointed out that half of our 26 goals had come in three games (Sheff U, QPR, Swansea) – so that is obviously something that needs to be addressed.
We need a striker, simply put, even if it’s just a case of an alternative to Hirst, who unfortunately has lost his mojo a bit. Azon reminds me of Mich D’Avray to be honest – runs himself into the ground, will chip in with a few goals, but isn’t the 20+ goals a season striker that is needed. He’s a good back up to have, but he isn’t the main answer.
It’s not working out for poor old Akpom either by the look of things, and probably the best option for the 10 is Nunez it would seem. Egeli is still young, but hungry, and seems to be on an upward curve – I get the impression that when he does score, it’s then going to seem like David Johnson 1998 all over again, he’ll score near enough every week.
Then of course there’s the small matter of a certain Wesley Burns coming back in the second half of the season, and that will be like having a new signing. Mistakes have been made, that much is clear – think we’re really regretting the Chaplin loan deal, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.
But as I’ve said several times before, the fanbase seem to think we must go up at all costs, whereas I simply don’t get that impression from the club. Yes, obviously they are doing everything they can to ensure we go up, and it is their primary objective, but if we do fall short, it’s not the end of the world. Ashton has said as much on a few occasions, and I maintain there is no way he would have said that if that wasn’t the thoughts of the ownership as well for this season.
They recognise that patience is needed – even Ed Schwarz said as much at the forum the other night - a virtually entire new team is not going to hit the ground running, it’s as simple as that. We heard several times at the forum what we’ve heard on many occasions over the last few years – there’s a long term plan. It’s just that they genuinely didn’t expect to end up in the Premier League so soon, and we’re playing catch up with everything.
We don’t have a divine right to be where Coventry are just because we’ve got the parachute money. I’ve just done a spot of working out with the help of Wiki, and over the last ten seasons, of the thirty teams relegated from the Premier League, only ten of them have bounced back the following season – there’s only a one in three chance that we would do it – there’s a couple of seasons where none of them did it.
Look at the table – we’re one – that’s one – point off the playoffs with a game in hand. We’re the highest placed of the three relegated teams. If anyone is genuinely thinking McKenna should go, then that is an opinion that is beneath contempt at the moment. It’d be like punting Sir Bob out the door in late 1977 because we were doing so badly in the league after five years of being at the top end. And as it turned out, 1977/78 was a fairly decent season in the end.
Stability is everything. Look at the absolute mess that lot up the road are in. They’ve had five managers in the time McKenna’s been here (Smith, Wagner, JHT, Manning, Clement) – we really don’t want that.
But….
Saying it doesn’t matter if we go up this season does come with certain criteria. Failing in the play offs is one thing, as is finishing 7th on goal difference or within a point or two. However, if we were to end up midtable, say eight points adrift, then yes, with an extremely heavy heart, I think we’d make changes. I don’t think it’d be a sacking either – McKenna is a proud man, and I think he’d resign, realising he’s taken us as far as he can – this isn’t going to be a scenario he’ll want to experience – think we’re under no illusion that his ultimate goal is the manager’s office at Old Trafford, and this would be a huge step backwards. At the very worst, it’d be by mutual consent.
I suspect the onus on going up from the ownership will be far more pronounced next season – by then the all new Playford Road would be up and running, and for the outlay on that, they’ll expect success. In no way is this season a free hit, but like I say, it’s not catastrophic for the club if we just miss out.
Yes, it’s a bit of a bumpy road at the moment, but we are in an immeasurably better place than we were five years ago. Games like yesterday are going to happen whether we like it or not. Short term, we need to sharpen up, get some shooting practice in, develop those on field relationships, but I’m confident we’ll do it. Now we need to keep our end of the bargain up by giving them as much support as we can muster.
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:06 - Nov 23 with 405 views | MattinLondon |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:55 - Nov 23 by Illinoisblue |
“So far off 3rd”??? Win our game in hand and we’d be 3rd. |
True, but every time we fail to secure three points it puts additional pressure on the entire team to win the next match and the next match - and not to make any silly mistakes.
This is completely off-topic but it does wind me up when a striker or attacking player misses a good chance and people say ‘at least he was there in the first place to get that chance’. When a keeper or defender makes a mistake no one says ‘at least he was there to miss his tackle’. Just annoys me that. |  | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:11 - Nov 23 with 404 views | Kieran_Knows |
I find Portman Road itself unbearable at the moment. Every minor mishap is greeted with the players either being ‘fcuking useless’ or, ‘no b0ll0x’ or just about any expletive going. The ‘get it forward’ brigade, who are either thick, or just haven’t watched us for 4 years and know that’s just not the way we play - and which has also bought us so much success.
Away games are far better and enjoyable at the moment. |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:16 - Nov 23 with 381 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 09:08 - Nov 23 by Mullet |
Hope you had a lovely birthday despite yesterday, but I disagree to some extent. Having a hissy fit and demanding everyone is flogged is pointless.
But we aren't the Ipswich of old. The owners are expecting promotion, we've spent huge sums of money, chosen to tear down the relegation squad and it's not worked. If that was the first one of the season I'd make you right, but it's not.
We should be shoulder to shoulder with Cov or at least stalking in 3rd and we are so far off that. We've won some games with sheer quality, but like yesterday when teams simply refuse to give way to us we are stumped as to what to do.
I do think as fans we need to adjust our mindset a little, this season is a massive opportunity wasted if we don't go up. |
We're certainly not the team we were a couple of seasons ago. The trouble is money alone doesn't guarantee success; it's still got to be earnt. Fair point about a potential opportunity could be missed though - we certainly do have good players if not a purring team. The repercussions financially if we don't go up also start to become a concern. It's a classic gamble so it has to pay off within 2 seasons or I'd have thought we'd be in a bit of trouble and have to start selling off players pretty quickly. That's how it normally seems to go with relegated teams who can't bounce back in the first couple of years. |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:24 - Nov 23 with 363 views | Blue_Heath |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:16 - Nov 23 by Swansea_Blue |
We're certainly not the team we were a couple of seasons ago. The trouble is money alone doesn't guarantee success; it's still got to be earnt. Fair point about a potential opportunity could be missed though - we certainly do have good players if not a purring team. The repercussions financially if we don't go up also start to become a concern. It's a classic gamble so it has to pay off within 2 seasons or I'd have thought we'd be in a bit of trouble and have to start selling off players pretty quickly. That's how it normally seems to go with relegated teams who can't bounce back in the first couple of years. |
This is the worry we simply have to go back up this season even if it means we'd likely come straight back down just to secure the finance. | | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:25 - Nov 23 with 370 views | waveneyblue |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:11 - Nov 23 by Kieran_Knows |
I find Portman Road itself unbearable at the moment. Every minor mishap is greeted with the players either being ‘fcuking useless’ or, ‘no b0ll0x’ or just about any expletive going. The ‘get it forward’ brigade, who are either thick, or just haven’t watched us for 4 years and know that’s just not the way we play - and which has also bought us so much success.
Away games are far better and enjoyable at the moment. |
Totally agree....
Around me in the SBR, a couple of guys who found it hilarious to shout "Boing" everytime Hirst touched the ball. Greated McAteer entering the pitch by standing up and shouting "you're fcuking shit McAteer" and generally moaned at everything.
I get you pay your money, you can do what you like, but seriously why bother to go? |  | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:38 - Nov 23 with 340 views | Mullet |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 10:55 - Nov 23 by Illinoisblue |
“So far off 3rd”??? Win our game in hand and we’d be 3rd. |
It’s December nearly, and we are at ifs and 5 places off it. I don’t think pointing that out at this stage is provocative or especially wrong is it?
Especially when results elsewhere largely went more our way than not yesterday didn’t they? | |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:43 - Nov 23 with 334 views | Herbivore |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:38 - Nov 23 by Mullet |
It’s December nearly, and we are at ifs and 5 places off it. I don’t think pointing that out at this stage is provocative or especially wrong is it?
Especially when results elsewhere largely went more our way than not yesterday didn’t they? |
I think it's wrong to say we're way off third when we'd actually be third if we win our game in hand. It's overstating things to a pretty significant degree. |  |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:48 - Nov 23 with 320 views | MattinLondon |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:43 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
I think it's wrong to say we're way off third when we'd actually be third if we win our game in hand. It's overstating things to a pretty significant degree. |
It’s not wrong at all to point that out and you are right.
But what is also right to state, is that for the amount of money spent on the team, we should be better off in terms of points. | | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:49 - Nov 23 with 320 views | cbower |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:43 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
I think it's wrong to say we're way off third when we'd actually be third if we win our game in hand. It's overstating things to a pretty significant degree. |
Conversely, we're 3 points off 18th  . That's a pessimistic outlook in the extreme but it's just as true. | |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:52 - Nov 23 with 304 views | Herbivore |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:48 - Nov 23 by MattinLondon |
It’s not wrong at all to point that out and you are right.
But what is also right to state, is that for the amount of money spent on the team, we should be better off in terms of points. |
I don't disagree. And despite the consensus that we've not played as well as should be able to, we should have more points on the board than we do even with our disappointing performances. We aren't leaking many chances and we're creating enough to win games despite not being fluent in attack yet. That we don't have more points on the board is frustrating. But I think there's too much doom and gloom and it's counter-productive. | |
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| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 12:09 - Nov 23 with 274 views | MattinLondon |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:52 - Nov 23 by Herbivore |
I don't disagree. And despite the consensus that we've not played as well as should be able to, we should have more points on the board than we do even with our disappointing performances. We aren't leaking many chances and we're creating enough to win games despite not being fluent in attack yet. That we don't have more points on the board is frustrating. But I think there's too much doom and gloom and it's counter-productive. |
I think that’s where I am and probably where the vast majority of fans are as well (I could be wrong). An awareness that we should have more points but that we’re only three points off second if we win our game in hand).
There will be a time when that tiny word ‘if’ becomes a lot more of an issue - more than likely at the start of January. | | | |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 12:31 - Nov 23 with 238 views | Whos_blue |
| I do think there is a tendency to overreact to every bump in the road on here on 11:25 - Nov 23 by waveneyblue |
Totally agree....
Around me in the SBR, a couple of guys who found it hilarious to shout "Boing" everytime Hirst touched the ball. Greated McAteer entering the pitch by standing up and shouting "you're fcuking shit McAteer" and generally moaned at everything.
I get you pay your money, you can do what you like, but seriously why bother to go? |
Numbskulls gonna numbskull Wavers. |  |
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| As I noted yesterday…. on 12:41 - Nov 23 with 228 views | BouncebackIpswich |
| As I noted yesterday…. on 10:51 - Nov 23 by Dubtractor |
Agree with that, but in reality having those 'x-factor' players is often the difference for most successful teams.
In games like yesterday, we're simply not going to create gilt edged chances, because there are too many defenders in the way, but that's where those flair players need to earn their money. I've seen people bemoan that without a few Philogene worldies we'd have a worse home record, but that ignores the whole point of having those players - to pull something exceptional out of the hat to unlock defences.
Very evidently, nothing was pulled out of any hats yesterday! |
I disagree with this, yes you're right that the likes of Philogene are there for moments of magic and we especially need that when faced with a defensive wall BUT it's not the case that if somebody doesn't score a worldie that you have to accept a draw or loss.
You can set up with your best technical players who are comfortable controlling and keeping the ball under pressure, and are quick thinkers and able to move the ball quickly. Play them together and create some understanding so that the play is not constantly predicatble and first touch football develops. Start to pull teams around when you're successfully able to retain possession near their box and gaps appear. Use a forward who is constantly on the shoulder looking to run in behind to worry the defenders and keep them penned back.
Or, heaven forbid, get a Kieffer Moore type who thrives on crosses and use your talented wingers to get to the byline and put crosses in. Maybe even, put 2 of these players up front to increase the threat attacking crosses. If this doesn't work then play cut backs instead and work on flooding the box with midfielders arriving late.
But we focus on getting wingers to cut inside and cross into a box with a set defence to an isolated forward against 3 defenders. As well as playing forward players like Akpom who yes have pace and power but technically poor and need about 10 touches to get the ball under control.
We have the personnel to be effective in these scenarios but the tactics and team selection are all wrong. And frankly the summer recruitment and decisions made didn't help the situation [Post edited 23 Nov 12:44]
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