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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich 17:50 - Dec 13 with 6038 views

I hate southern away days at the best of times, but that was honking yet again. No shape, leaders, guts, threat etc you name it and it was lacking today.

If we can make it to Wembley this season we will have to take it, Leicester fans came away feeling the same thing which says it all.

How Taylor gets so many minutes is beyond me, but when Matusiwa is having an off day, you’re always going to struggle. Freak goals apiece and we still lose by two, because with or without subs we have little cohesion, partnerships or fight.

Kipre came over on his own to clap the dwindling away end at the finish, then the manager who looked like he was as lost as whatever the gameplan was today. Can’t blame Leicester for taking their chances, but you can blame us for making very little.

This was the perfect opportunity to stabilise, even push for a win, instead we collapse again. Whatever is going on behind the scenes, we keep fluffing our lines.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:18 - Dec 13 with 775 views

cbower

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 18:25 - Dec 13 by Dubtractor

I tried not to go overboard in dissecting the performance of team and individuals in my thread earlier, but what the hell, today is a time for justified grumbling!

As with many of our away performances this season, that was just so damn passive, there is just no urgency let alone aggression (or nuts to use a tired macho cliche). Why is there such a contrast to how we play at home?

That long range goal has been coming all season. It's not the first time it's been tried, and whilst I understand why Walton takes that position, he needs to be quicker to spot danger and retreat.

I've no idea how Clarke avoided being hooked, that was an abysmal performance from him until the last 10 minutes or so. Just ran into trouble, or gave the ball away, time after time.

What on earth were those substitutions about today? Just a muddled mess. Bringing Young on to play CM? How has that come to pass given the squad we have?

Hirst. This is a common question, but what has happened to him? Just unable to do the really basic meat and veg stuff of a number 9 this season. He clearly wasn't the biggest problem today, but man we need a more effective striker than him or Azon as it stands.

Taylor had his little honeymoon where he improved our performances, but his limitations are coming to the fore unfortunately.

Akpom was pants. Again. As was McAteer. So much for impact sub options.

As is often the case after going behind, we are so damn easy to manage for the opposition. Just stay organised and patient and unless you make a silly mistake we'll not create much.

The result today isn't the end of the world in isolation, but the continuing poor away performances massively concern me.

Time for McKenna to show us what he is made of. We know he is capable of producing incredible second half of the season form, and it's looking like we'll need to see it.

Agree with all of this. Good post Dubbers.

bluescouser

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:20 - Dec 13 with 766 views

GlasgowBlue

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:13 - Dec 13 by PhilTWTD
Agree, two slightly quirky goals at significant points in the game, then another which was a bit of a mess, although again a bit unusual, at another important stage. Thought we looked very sluggish in the first half and was surprised that a number of those that started started after Wednesday.

I thought it was a mistake to start Jaden from the sart and shove Clarke on the right, which never works.

Jade and Nunez have run themselves into the ground over the last two games. I'd have started with Clarke, Szmods and McAteer behind Hirst. And probably Cajuste instead of Taylor. If he could do it again I think Kieran may well do the same

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:29 - Dec 13 with 750 views

cbower

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 20:48 - Dec 13 by Mullet

I can take being sh1t, I can take things not working out, what I can't take is a lack of effort, fight or potential being wasted. I'm the same in all things. The scattergun approach to rotating players and not imposing ourselves on games baffles me.

The Prem was a free hit, I'm not upset we got relegated. But this season is a totally different beast and we seem to have recruited badly for it, have very little substance or balance to the side and we drift through games. Akpom, Szmodics, Cajuste et al are not bad players, especially at this level but we seem to have no idea how to get anything out of them most weeks.

There seems a lot of fans who are still living off the exploits of 2-3 seasons ago which is fine, but when you try and move the conversation into reality and the here and now you're met with this braying dismissive attitude.

McKenna has been heavily backed in a way most fanbases wouldn't tolerate with the return we've had this season. He's used that to leverage new contracts and whilst Palace now find themselves in and around the top 4 in the Prem, he's got us stuttering around the same in the Champ.

We are at a massive advantage this season, the league is crap, the competition for promotion is crap and yet it's all but out of reach right now. How many do we need to win on the bounce to close the gap? 6? 8? 10? Do we think Boro, Cov, Preston, Millwall or whoever all drop points and no one catches us either?

January is going to take a huge turnaround and potentially massive money spent just to keep us within a sniff. I'm yet to see anything but "yeah but McKenna" as a counterpoint to this.

Money (and advantage) spaffed on good players that have not made a team. That raises the question of responsibility that so many will not contemplate doesn't it!
The continued abject failure to recruit a quality striker and another midfielder that properly fits the system will cost us dearly.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:46 - Dec 13 with 701 views

ringwoodblue

I can’t see any team gaining promotion with a striker that only scores 10-12 goals which is what Hirst is on track to score this season.

We can’t keep relying on Philogene wonder strikes and Nunez free-kicks.

We desperately need a striker in Jan, a proper target man but they won’t be easy to find.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:46 - Dec 13 with 699 views

billlm

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 20:51 - Dec 13 by Mullet
How is my opinion of what he could have done BS bill?

Walton nearly got caught out exactly the same thing it was Blackburn could have been oxford,
So it's not a fluke it's homework,
Something are coaches managers have not picked up on or have and relayed to Walton and he's ignored was always going to happen that's why it certainly isn't a fluke BS for no one at our club addressing it or listening however that falls,

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:49 - Dec 13 with 686 views

billlm

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 20:56 - Dec 13 by PhilTWTD

What's he going to do instead? Sit back on the edge of his six-yard area? Might save the two or three attempts like that you might get every season but obviously puts a keeper in a worse positon to deal with more regular threats. All keepers are in that sort of area these days, so not down to CW's personal positioning. I can remember Kelvin Davis being beaten in a similar area about 25 years ago, so actually not even that modern a development.

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Bad positioning all round, few yards back he stops it,
Few yards isn't on the 6 yes box,
I like Walton but surely someone after the last attempt has words,

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:51 - Dec 13 with 676 views

TRUE_BLUE123

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:52 - Dec 13 by PhilTWTD
All keepers are in that sort of area to deal with balls played over the top. Not the keeper's fault, is going to happen every now and then. Chaplin used to try it every other week at one point.

In our promotion season Hladky nearly got caught out twice iirc.

Ilias Chair at QPR and somebody who played for Watford in the game at PR.

I thought Walton was running through treacle to get back, but it is an incredible striker from Fatawu. One of those things.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 23:13 - Dec 13 with 628 views

farkenhell

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:49 - Dec 13 by billlm
Bad positioning all round, few yards back he stops it, Few yards isn't on the 6 yes box, I like Walton but surely someone after the last attempt has words,

If he positions himself a few yards further back, then we become susceptible to a ball played over the top of the defence. Ian Westlake summed it up perfectly in the commentary. Yes we conceded the goal today, but we have to take into account that CW has saved 10 or so potential goals this season when he has cleared the ball before an onrushing forward could get to it.

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 23:17 - Dec 13 with 615 views

farkenhell

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 19:46 - Dec 13 by noggin
That goal has annoyed me more than it should. I get why he's out of his area but he was miles out and unable to cover his goal. Ok, the fella hit it well but it was a huge open goal, something most professional players would hit, given the time and space. Shocking from Walton.

The goal annoyed me more for the fact that it came 5 or so minutes after Clark should have equalised. If he had scored then, I think we would have gone in level at half time.

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 23:38 - Dec 13 with 568 views

PhilTWTD

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 22:20 - Dec 13 by GlasgowBlue
I thought it was a mistake to start Jaden from the sart and shove Clarke on the right, which never works. Jade and Nunez have run themselves into the ground over the last two games. I'd have started with Clarke, Szmods and McAteer behind Hirst. And probably Cajuste instead of Taylor. If he could do it again I think Kieran may well do the same

I was anticipating similar.

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 00:18 - Dec 14 with 523 views

OsmansCleanSheet

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 21:49 - Dec 13 by PhilTWTD
Indeed, although I think more are trying it and we're seeing more success, the Scotland goal recently being another example. Definitely think I've seen at least one other this year. Fatawu had another go recently and came very close.

Richarlison scored one for Spurs against Arsenal a couple of weeks ago. So that’s 3 I’ve seen in the space of a few weeks. Some people seem to think Walton is the only keeper that positions himself high up the pitch. It’s just nonsense.

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:10 - Dec 14 with 400 views

BlueOura

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 20:48 - Dec 13 by Mullet

I agree with this entirely. McKenna is on borrowed time for me, and if the owners are truly ambitious then he will be with them as well.

People can dress it up however they want but results simply haven't been good enough overall and the recruitment has been frankly terrible. People seem to want to exonerate KM from this but they are his signings, I simply refuse to believe he would accept players he didn't want.

The lack of fight/urgency in this side is very apparent, as is the ever predictable and boring 'patterns' we try to apply, but more often than not now result in us losing possession. I mean I watched some of the scum game yesterday, and I hate to say it but they played with a real spirit and aggression which we sadly lack at the moment. We know how crap they are but attitude can take you a long way in this league. We look like a team that think they are better than they are.

It is a right sh!t show to be honest and yet win against Sheffield Wednesday and we will still sit in a decent position in the table and half the board will be fooled into thinking everything is rosy, until we lose at Millwall and it isn't again.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:12 - Dec 14 with 393 views

Mullet

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 20:57 - Dec 13 by PhilTWTD
Just don't think he could get near it.

No, I’ve not watched it back yet so was just giving my impression.

I thought once again we were sloppy on and off the ball and didn’t really hurt Leicester. Once we concede that seems to be a massive barrier for us. That’s not something good teams have.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:19 - Dec 14 with 362 views

Dubtractor

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:12 - Dec 14 by Mullet
No, I’ve not watched it back yet so was just giving my impression. I thought once again we were sloppy on and off the ball and didn’t really hurt Leicester. Once we concede that seems to be a massive barrier for us. That’s not something good teams have.

Conceding first seems to be a game deciding event for us.

Building on that stat Sky shared during the Oxford game, that's now 33 games that we've failed to win after conceding first, and I think it is 25 of those that ended as a defeat.

Is that about tactics, or mental toughness? Either way it is miles from being acceptable.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:20 - Dec 14 with 356 views

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:12 - Dec 14 by Mullet
No, I’ve not watched it back yet so was just giving my impression. I thought once again we were sloppy on and off the ball and didn’t really hurt Leicester. Once we concede that seems to be a massive barrier for us. That’s not something good teams have.

Precisely.

How many saves did Stolarczyk make the entire match?

2 shots on target all day, one of which was a gift handed to Cajuste on a plate.

Even when we dominated possession, once again it was the sideways and backwards passing to nowhere with no attempts at goal

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:25 - Dec 14 with 337 views

tractorboy1978

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:19 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor
Conceding first seems to be a game deciding event for us. Building on that stat Sky shared during the Oxford game, that's now 33 games that we've failed to win after conceding first, and I think it is 25 of those that ended as a defeat. Is that about tactics, or mental toughness? Either way it is miles from being acceptable.

Whether consciously or sub-consciously, we have an attitude that we are going to win the game in the last 25 mins rather than the first 25 mins as well. “We have game changing subs”. We seem risk averse and tentative early on in games and all too often it takes conceding or the time ticking down for us to really start playing.

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:35 - Dec 14 with 305 views

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:19 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor
Conceding first seems to be a game deciding event for us. Building on that stat Sky shared during the Oxford game, that's now 33 games that we've failed to win after conceding first, and I think it is 25 of those that ended as a defeat. Is that about tactics, or mental toughness? Either way it is miles from being acceptable.

Yep ,

Just knew yesterday when they scored we probably weren’t coming back …. That’s an incredible weakness in this league , well in any league

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:09 - Dec 14 with 247 views

The_Flashing_Smile

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:10 - Dec 14 by BlueOura

We beat the runaway leaders 3-0 a week ago. We've lost 2 in the last 11. Your whole post is reactionary nonsense, like a lot on here, based largely on a freak game.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:14 - Dec 14 with 223 views

FrimleyBlue

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:09 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile
We beat the runaway leaders 3-0 a week ago. We've lost 2 in the last 11. Your whole post is reactionary nonsense, like a lot on here, based largely on a freak game.

Think the problem is flash, the performances don't match the results.

Results bring the points so that's key of course, but you would still think being in december the actual performances over 90 minutes would look increasingly better, yet we still struggle through alot of games.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:14 - Dec 14 by FrimleyBlue
Think the problem is flash, the performances don't match the results. Results bring the points so that's key of course, but you would still think being in december the actual performances over 90 minutes would look increasingly better, yet we still struggle through alot of games.

There was nothing wrong with the two performances prior to yesterday. Yes we're not playing free flowing football every week but progress isn't a straight line.

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Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:20 - Dec 14 with 206 views

Funge

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:09 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile
We beat the runaway leaders 3-0 a week ago. We've lost 2 in the last 11. Your whole post is reactionary nonsense, like a lot on here, based largely on a freak game.

His post is anything but reactionary.

I mean, you disagree with him - fine - but we are miles off the top of the table. Miles, approaching the halfway point.

We were as bad yesterday, as we were good last Saturday.

We have taken 3 points this season in games when the opposition have scored first, and 2 of those came in the 95th and 106th (!) minutes from penalties. That's not a 'freak' occurrence, it's a clear and palpable issue.

Mullet comments that many of us are accepting of the current situation because of our achievement 2 seasons ago, and I think he's right.

EDIT - it's 4 points, isnt it? Brum/ Derby/ Watford/ Blackburn. The wider point still stands.

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SWLondonBlue93

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 08:19 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor
Conceding first seems to be a game deciding event for us. Building on that stat Sky shared during the Oxford game, that's now 33 games that we've failed to win after conceding first, and I think it is 25 of those that ended as a defeat. Is that about tactics, or mental toughness? Either way it is miles from being acceptable.

This is the stat that has been bothering me, you can't expect to get promoted if conceding the first goal kills you off as a team. There is a definite mental fragility about us, and you can be sure that other teams will have figured out that if they can get the first goal, we are relatively easy to control. We have individual quality which will be good enough in many games, but not those extra intangibles that will get you top two (or at least, not yet).

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:38 - Dec 14 with 151 views

Dubtractor

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:16 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile
There was nothing wrong with the two performances prior to yesterday. Yes we're not playing free flowing football every week but progress isn't a straight line.

There is a huge gap between the performances at home and those away.

Home has been mostly good performances all season.

Away we've played well twice, but been mostly pretty tough to watch and unable to play anything like the football we see at home. And that seems regardless of the quality or playing style of the opposition.

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BlueOura

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:09 - Dec 14 by The_Flashing_Smile
We beat the runaway leaders 3-0 a week ago. We've lost 2 in the last 11. Your whole post is reactionary nonsense, like a lot on here, based largely on a freak game.

It is not reactionary nonsense. Yesterday was not a freak game, it was an abject performance where we barely laid a glove on a pretty average team, the performance got the result that it merited.

The performance was one of many similar across the season, especially away from home. Yes there have been some good ones as well but overall we are far to inconsistent to mount a top two challenge.

Good teams find a way, even when the performance is a little off. Look at arsenal yesterday, they were rubbish by their usual standards but still found a way to the 3 points.

If you think we are where we should be given the level of investment in both the team and the manager then you are very much misguided.

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The_Flashing_Smile

Something is rotten in the state of Ipswich on 09:38 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor
There is a huge gap between the performances at home and those away. Home has been mostly good performances all season. Away we've played well twice, but been mostly pretty tough to watch and unable to play anything like the football we see at home. And that seems regardless of the quality or playing style of the opposition.

I'd agree with that if we're drilling down into away performances. They certainly haven't been good enough. I wasn't responding to someone talking about away performances though.

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