| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End 14:57 - Mar 17 with 5846 views | Zx1988 |
Please do forgive me if this is an insensitive question, but some of the clips from Town in 5 got me wondering.
Given the history of the place, is it a strange feeling being sat in the Leppings Lane End at Hillsborough?
In hindsight, I guess I'm a little surprised that the stand wasn't torn down given the number of deaths associated with it. Although I suppose maybe it's a more recent trend to do away with places like that, associated with loss of life? |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 17:52 - Mar 17 with 1401 views | OldFart71 |
I have never been to Hillsborough but from the replay I saw of our win it does look very run down. But to build new stadia costs multi millions.
Just as well that we have two really decent stands. Any development of the Cobbold will cost a pretty hefty wedge as well.
Wednesday will unfortunately be in the wilderness for some time and may even end in the fourth tier of football given that they will start with a 15 point deduction next season.
Perhaps they should change their name to Chelsea. | | | |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 18:35 - Mar 17 with 1334 views | Plums |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 16:28 - Mar 17 by Linners |
It was never very far from my mind tbh as it was my first time in the lower tier. I studied the Hillsborough Disaster at Uni and have followed the various inquiries, reports etc ever since.
The ground is still pretty decrepit, and so many of the key features are just as they were that day. The tunnel was was struck me as well. We got there pretty late on Saturday and just came through the turnstile as the game kicked-off. I could see O'Shea punting the ball downfield the moment I entered the ground, just the in the same way that the 2,000 people that came through that opened gate would have seen the pitch at the end of the tunnel.
It is a lovely, traditional old football ground, but I was struck by how little has been updated and improved. |
I also studied it at university and have also followed the inquiries and court cases with interest. Our head of third year was a Liverpool fan who was there and it was the inspiration for much of her academic career. This is her in 2023
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/p
I've been in the home and away end at Hillsborough over the years but never on the lower terrace. It's always astonished me that it's still standing. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 18:43 - Mar 17 with 1321 views | Swansea_Blue |
Every time we play there I think of that horrific day. We weren’t there this time, but I did remark about it to my lad while we were watching on TownTV. It does seem a bit strange they haven’t changed it more substantially, but the whole place looks like it’s long due an big revamp/rebuild. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 18:57 - Mar 17 with 1282 views | bluelagos |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 17:15 - Mar 17 by bluelagos |
I got invited to a private showing of the Kenny Dalglish documentary last year. The Hillsborough stuff was hard hitting, the bits in Heysel also unbelievably difficult viewing.
I was only 15 when that happened and the TV coverage at the time clearly decided not to show the worst of it. Awful, awful scenes, I fed back to the film maker the need for some proper "viewer warnings" given the content.
Same guy who made the films on Maradona and on Senna. Very talented film maker |
Has been released on Amazon prime for anyone interested. In the cut I saw there's a Towen goal vs the reds too - hopefully made it into the final film :-)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenny |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 19:53 - Mar 17 with 1195 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 18:57 - Mar 17 by bluelagos |
Has been released on Amazon prime for anyone interested. In the cut I saw there's a Towen goal vs the reds too - hopefully made it into the final film :-)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kenny |
This had passed me by. Really enjoyed his other films so will give it a watch. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 19:59 - Mar 17 with 1190 views | Miaow |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 17:08 - Mar 17 by Linners |
It's one of the few documentaries that was ever allowed/able to show some of the images taken looking down on the terrace as it was being cleared. One to be careful of if you do find it as it's distressing. |
I would recommend that documentary to anyone who hasn't seen it.
https://watchdocumentaries.com |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 20:45 - Mar 17 with 1120 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 17:24 - Mar 17 by Whos_blue |
Lagers will be too humble to say this himself, but his daily updates from the inquiry were engrossing.
His lived experience of the disaster enabled him to write from the viewpoint of a fan caught up in the mayhem. Not only the horrific events on the day, but also his first hand experience of the subsequent cover ups.
It shames all those involved and for some of them to "celebrate" their technical innocence was a disgrace.
97. |
Yes, I’ve followed it closely, both his personal experience and all the documentaries and have read Phil Scraton’s book.
It makes my blood boil what went on that day and for the years after. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 20:48 - Mar 17 with 1109 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 17:28 - Mar 17 by Illinoisblue |
It’s really well done but on first viewing I was not prepared for what they showed in the pens. Brutal viewing. |
It awful.
There’s a camera angle from the back of the upper tier looking down on the pens, and the crowd has started to thin out, with police and medics helping people.
But in the corners, there’s still a load of people tightly packed together. I was puzzled why they didn’t move away from each other…. Then I realised. [Post edited 18 Mar 7:11]
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 00:44 - Mar 18 with 965 views | football |
Been to Hillsborough several times, always the upper tier. Not sure how I'd feel being in the lower level knowing people may have died where I was standing. Still remember the day as if it were yesterday listening to the radio whilst watching woodbrige away at grundisburgh | | | |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 01:22 - Mar 18 with 940 views | Illinoisblue |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 20:48 - Mar 17 by ITFC_Forever |
It awful.
There’s a camera angle from the back of the upper tier looking down on the pens, and the crowd has started to thin out, with police and medics helping people.
But in the corners, there’s still a load of people tightly packed together. I was puzzled why they didn’t move away from each other…. Then I realised. [Post edited 18 Mar 7:11]
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Yeah it’s a tough watch. I forget her name but the woman who went with her, I think, brother and boyfriend, and she gets out… the footage of her standing outside the gate/fence looking shocked and lost. Ugh. Wonder how she can ever find peace. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 05:43 - Mar 18 with 894 views | bluelagos |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 01:22 - Mar 18 by Illinoisblue |
Yeah it’s a tough watch. I forget her name but the woman who went with her, I think, brother and boyfriend, and she gets out… the footage of her standing outside the gate/fence looking shocked and lost. Ugh. Wonder how she can ever find peace. |
Steph Jones, sister to Richard who died with his girlfriend Tracey Cox.
Steph and her mum Doreen and father Les were very prominent in the HFSG. Met Doreen a few times, a lovely lady who I had the privilege to buy a drink the evening the inquest jury exonerated all the fans.
Blogged about that day if anyone's interested.
"Doreen jokes she and her daughter Steph (another Survivor) have slipped their husbands and I insist on buying them a drink. Doreen is smiling, something I have never seen before. This lady who had her son stolen from her, who was cruelly refused the right to hug her dead son, inhumanely told “He is the property of the coroner”, this lady, for that is what she is, she is smiling. Not celebrating but smiling, still dignified in a way I could never be and in a way that brings shame onto everyone in the establishment who even suspected there was a cover up and yet did nothing to expose it."
https://ahillsboroughsurvivor. | |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 08:43 - Mar 18 with 819 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I was 11 when the Hillsborough disaster happened. My mum was studying for a French degree at the time and subscribed to a French magazine of a similar format to Hello. It came in the post and I opened it before she came home. It had page after page of paparazzi photos of supporters in the Leppings Lane end being crushed that never would have made it into the printed press over here. Mum was mortified that I'd seen the pictures, and those images never left me. I've since had a connection to this tragedy that makes me read and watch everything to do with it. I actually want all of the younger generations of football fans to understand what happened. I think younger fans don't realise that the stadia experience is somewhat 'sanitised' for good reason. Tribalism in an unsafe environment can be tragic. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 08:51 - Mar 18 with 795 views | Whos_blue |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 08:43 - Mar 18 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I was 11 when the Hillsborough disaster happened. My mum was studying for a French degree at the time and subscribed to a French magazine of a similar format to Hello. It came in the post and I opened it before she came home. It had page after page of paparazzi photos of supporters in the Leppings Lane end being crushed that never would have made it into the printed press over here. Mum was mortified that I'd seen the pictures, and those images never left me. I've since had a connection to this tragedy that makes me read and watch everything to do with it. I actually want all of the younger generations of football fans to understand what happened. I think younger fans don't realise that the stadia experience is somewhat 'sanitised' for good reason. Tribalism in an unsafe environment can be tragic. |
Sadly some of the British tabloids did run with photos of of the dead and dying. I remember one in particular that has always stuck with me, taken from the pitch looking through railings into the crowd.
Just horrible. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 08:57 - Mar 18 with 789 views | bluelagos |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 08:43 - Mar 18 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
I was 11 when the Hillsborough disaster happened. My mum was studying for a French degree at the time and subscribed to a French magazine of a similar format to Hello. It came in the post and I opened it before she came home. It had page after page of paparazzi photos of supporters in the Leppings Lane end being crushed that never would have made it into the printed press over here. Mum was mortified that I'd seen the pictures, and those images never left me. I've since had a connection to this tragedy that makes me read and watch everything to do with it. I actually want all of the younger generations of football fans to understand what happened. I think younger fans don't realise that the stadia experience is somewhat 'sanitised' for good reason. Tribalism in an unsafe environment can be tragic. |
I'd challenge absolutely the way football has been sanitised as being for the better. The underlying assumption behind all seater stadiums, which were only legislated for football and not for Rugby or horse racing, is that football fans can not be trusted to behave.
And that assumption was at a time when a minority (and it was always a minority) did attach themselves to football as they looked for violence.
The approach was to remove terracing rather than to actually tackle those who were violent. Not just a sledgehammer to crack a nut but a catch all because football was struggling to address hooligans.
Rather than tackle the sh1t policing that had killed innocent fans far easier to target football fans as if they were the problem.
I don't for a minute want to return to the days when football violence was part of the game, but we have gone so far towards a sanitised experience it's barely recognisable any more. And it doesn't have to be like that. Go and watch a bundesliga match where fans stand safely, they sing, they create an atmosphere and all without violence.
The tone of your comments (and I am not criticising you) is that football was changed because of hooliganism. Partly true but I'd argue it changed because football and policing were incapable of dealing with it and chose to bring in sweeping changes that rippped the heart from the game... | |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 10:19 - Mar 18 with 703 views | TVRBlue |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 08:57 - Mar 18 by bluelagos |
I'd challenge absolutely the way football has been sanitised as being for the better. The underlying assumption behind all seater stadiums, which were only legislated for football and not for Rugby or horse racing, is that football fans can not be trusted to behave.
And that assumption was at a time when a minority (and it was always a minority) did attach themselves to football as they looked for violence.
The approach was to remove terracing rather than to actually tackle those who were violent. Not just a sledgehammer to crack a nut but a catch all because football was struggling to address hooligans.
Rather than tackle the sh1t policing that had killed innocent fans far easier to target football fans as if they were the problem.
I don't for a minute want to return to the days when football violence was part of the game, but we have gone so far towards a sanitised experience it's barely recognisable any more. And it doesn't have to be like that. Go and watch a bundesliga match where fans stand safely, they sing, they create an atmosphere and all without violence.
The tone of your comments (and I am not criticising you) is that football was changed because of hooliganism. Partly true but I'd argue it changed because football and policing were incapable of dealing with it and chose to bring in sweeping changes that rippped the heart from the game... |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 10:51 - Mar 18 with 678 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 05:43 - Mar 18 by bluelagos |
Steph Jones, sister to Richard who died with his girlfriend Tracey Cox.
Steph and her mum Doreen and father Les were very prominent in the HFSG. Met Doreen a few times, a lovely lady who I had the privilege to buy a drink the evening the inquest jury exonerated all the fans.
Blogged about that day if anyone's interested.
"Doreen jokes she and her daughter Steph (another Survivor) have slipped their husbands and I insist on buying them a drink. Doreen is smiling, something I have never seen before. This lady who had her son stolen from her, who was cruelly refused the right to hug her dead son, inhumanely told “He is the property of the coroner”, this lady, for that is what she is, she is smiling. Not celebrating but smiling, still dignified in a way I could never be and in a way that brings shame onto everyone in the establishment who even suspected there was a cover up and yet did nothing to expose it."
https://ahillsboroughsurvivor. |
This lady who had her son stolen from her, who was cruelly refused the right to hug her dead son, inhumanely told “He is the property of the coroner”
....holy fck, that sentence made me shiver. One of the cruellest things I have ever read. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 10:54 - Mar 18 with 665 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 17:28 - Mar 17 by Illinoisblue |
It’s really well done but on first viewing I was not prepared for what they showed in the pens. Brutal viewing. |
I will give it a watch.
I was 9 when it happened, but seeing the coverage on the news at the time put me off going to football. The people being pulled up into the upper tier.
One thing I have seen more recently was footage showing a St Johns Ambulance member climbing over the fence to get into the pens. What a hero that person was. | |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 11:02 - Mar 18 with 654 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 20:45 - Mar 17 by ITFC_Forever |
Yes, I’ve followed it closely, both his personal experience and all the documentaries and have read Phil Scraton’s book.
It makes my blood boil what went on that day and for the years after. |
I hope that one day the families and survivors sue the FA. They were the promoters of the event who awarded the tie to a ground which had seen near-diasters which precisely fore-shadowed the illegal killings that happened on that terrible day.
Criminal negligence from the FA, Council (as body responsible for Large Scale Events licensing) and Sheffield Wednesday FC, who provided an unsafe ground, in spite of the previous serious incidents. But the British Criminal Justice system doesn't like to criminalise white collar crime by institutions.
So sue them. | | | |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 11:48 - Mar 18 with 608 views | Bobbychase |
We played there in 1990, 2-2 draw I think, and the lower tier of Lepping Lane end was still closed. It was a windy, cold day with overcast skies and I do remember it was sobering looking down to where so many people had died the year before. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 12:01 - Mar 18 with 586 views | patrickswell |
I was sat in the lower tier when we played there in September 2023. Obviously, one tried not to dwell on it - and I was helped by the fact that I got into the ground at about 5 to 3 - but inevitably I did find myself wondering for a moment or two where I was in relation to where the worst of the crush had been and as people have said, you still have to go in via the same walkway as was the case in 1989.
I’m glad to have gone there, because it is an impressive ground, and the memorial is worth a look - it was also a good day result/performance wise.
I do wonder how Liverpool fans who went back there between 1989/90 and 1999/2000 felt about it. I’m guessing if they ever do play Wednesday again, it’ll be upper tier tickets only. [Post edited 18 Mar 12:13]
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 12:51 - Mar 18 with 517 views | BlueRaider |
Yes, it did feel odd, and I did find myself thinking of the Liverpool fans, and the fact that the view I could see of the hills beyond the Kop end were the last they ever saw | |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 19:06 - Mar 18 with 356 views | Mullet |
I completely dissociate from it to be honest.
I love going to Sheffield and both grounds are great but there is something about Hillsbrough even if you don't focus on the disaster.
I have to admit sometimes as I approach Leppings lane or go through the turnstile I do think about it, but there is a great sense of it being a grand old footballing cathedral. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 20:38 - Mar 18 with 286 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 19:06 - Mar 18 by Mullet |
I completely dissociate from it to be honest.
I love going to Sheffield and both grounds are great but there is something about Hillsbrough even if you don't focus on the disaster.
I have to admit sometimes as I approach Leppings lane or go through the turnstile I do think about it, but there is a great sense of it being a grand old footballing cathedral. |
That was only my third visit to Hillsborough. The first time I did feel a sense of the sad history behind the ground, but like you I try to disassociate from it.
It will probably be some time before we are back there. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 21:46 - Mar 18 with 208 views | ZedRodgers |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 17:08 - Mar 17 by Linners |
It's one of the few documentaries that was ever allowed/able to show some of the images taken looking down on the terrace as it was being cleared. One to be careful of if you do find it as it's distressing. |
I watched this the other night and completely agree that it’s a shock to see those images for the first time.
Two other parts I found especially harrowing were the footage of families waiting at Lime Street station for loved ones to step off the final train back from Sheffield, who never did, and the account of the families who decided to travel to Sheffield being asked to identify relatives from a wall of Polaroids of the victims in the Hillsborough gym (which in some cases was impossible due to the severity of the injuries). The photos weren’t even organised by age or anything else, forcing the relatives to examine every single face. |  |
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| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 22:07 - Mar 18 with 180 views | Zx1988 |
| Hillsborough - Leppings Lane End on 21:46 - Mar 18 by ZedRodgers |
I watched this the other night and completely agree that it’s a shock to see those images for the first time.
Two other parts I found especially harrowing were the footage of families waiting at Lime Street station for loved ones to step off the final train back from Sheffield, who never did, and the account of the families who decided to travel to Sheffield being asked to identify relatives from a wall of Polaroids of the victims in the Hillsborough gym (which in some cases was impossible due to the severity of the injuries). The photos weren’t even organised by age or anything else, forcing the relatives to examine every single face. |
Where did you find it? I've been looking to try and find somewhere to watch it since I saw it mentioned here, but to no avail. | |
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