| Last season vs this season for Cook 06:33 - Oct 31 with 14694 views | itfcjoe |
Last season
P16 W4 D7 L5 - 19 points
This season
P15 W5 D5 L5 - 20 points
Wycombe away to come on Tuesday. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:56]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 06:48 - Oct 31 with 3821 views | Herbivore |
However anyone may throw out mitigating circumstances, that's an abysmal record with the resources he's had at his disposal. It's made worse when you factor in the opposition we've faced during that time, the final third of last season and the first third of this season our fixtures have been heavily skewed towards bottom half sides. Only 10 of the 31 games we've played under Cook have been against sides in the top half.
It is still possible that things will come good for Cook here and I sincerely hope they will, prior to yesterday things were starting to look a little more positive. However, that's a really poor start to his tenure and I worry that we see some of the same flaws repeating themselves over and over again over his time here. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:01]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:13 - Oct 31 with 3755 views | homer_123 |
Careful...many will view that as progress.
1 more point so far. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:14 - Oct 31 with 3754 views | N2_Blue |
It’s really astonishingly poor.
I’m amazed how many of our fans are accepting of this. It’s like they have become used to being average and not consistently winning games and so see this as acceptable.
Cook has had more than enough time to show he is putting together something but there is precious little evidence that it is a winning football team. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 10:12]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:17 - Oct 31 with 3748 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 06:48 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
However anyone may throw out mitigating circumstances, that's an abysmal record with the resources he's had at his disposal. It's made worse when you factor in the opposition we've faced during that time, the final third of last season and the first third of this season our fixtures have been heavily skewed towards bottom half sides. Only 10 of the 31 games we've played under Cook have been against sides in the top half.
It is still possible that things will come good for Cook here and I sincerely hope they will, prior to yesterday things were starting to look a little more positive. However, that's a really poor start to his tenure and I worry that we see some of the same flaws repeating themselves over and over again over his time here. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:01]
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Yesterday in isolation wasn’t awful, we had chances and continued to create (but it’s neglected to mention they also missed good chances) but it can’t just be looked at on its own with how we have performed overall.
We’ve got 4 more tough games coming up, starting against a side with a perfect home record - but because of our poor start we can’t keep looking for mitigating factors - we’ve already missed every target that has been set by fans of x points by y games. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:20 - Oct 31 with 3731 views | DinnernotTea |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:14 - Oct 31 by N2_Blue |
It’s really astonishingly poor.
I’m amazed how many of our fans are accepting of this. It’s like they have become used to being average and not consistently winning games and so see this as acceptable.
Cook has had more than enough time to show he is putting together something but there is precious little evidence that it is a winning football team. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 10:12]
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So scoring every single game and becoming the leagues top scorers isn't viewed as a positive (when was the last time that happened)? Of course league position wise we should be better but we do the hardest part of football easy, scoring goals. For that reason alone he needs a minimum until May. Because of a fair few reasons he hasn't been able to play his best back 5 game after game either, until this happens we won't know if we can close the door a bit more.
The play of Donacien, Aluko, Burns, Chaplin, Bonne has been incredible and I want more of it. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:26 - Oct 31 with 3676 views | Mullet |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:20 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
So scoring every single game and becoming the leagues top scorers isn't viewed as a positive (when was the last time that happened)? Of course league position wise we should be better but we do the hardest part of football easy, scoring goals. For that reason alone he needs a minimum until May. Because of a fair few reasons he hasn't been able to play his best back 5 game after game either, until this happens we won't know if we can close the door a bit more.
The play of Donacien, Aluko, Burns, Chaplin, Bonne has been incredible and I want more of it. |
Incredible? We are struggling outside of the playoffs in div 3. How anyone is happy right now beats me, but to call scoring goals over a dozen or so games incredible is really stretching to cover up the position we are in.
We’ve not been good enough, we continue to not be good enough and that’s why we are nowhere near where should be. Cook essentially has little over a month or so to save the season snd his job. Anything less then an improvement and he can’t remain. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:29 - Oct 31 with 3666 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:17 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Yesterday in isolation wasn’t awful, we had chances and continued to create (but it’s neglected to mention they also missed good chances) but it can’t just be looked at on its own with how we have performed overall.
We’ve got 4 more tough games coming up, starting against a side with a perfect home record - but because of our poor start we can’t keep looking for mitigating factors - we’ve already missed every target that has been set by fans of x points by y games. |
Indeed. We can't keep having games where we say "The result is disappointing but......". We just don't have the luxury of being able to do that after a poor start to the season. The defeat yesterday means we took 10 points from our 6 games in October, that's fewer than we needed to take to start making up ground on the sides above us. It's 6th best in the division over that period but the 5 sides above us in the form table are in the top 6 in the league and so that gap is getting bigger.
And much as Plymouth are in good form, compare their line up and squad to ours player for player and does anyone really think they are a side we should be expecting to get nothing against? And if it's a case that their players are better organised and better coached than ours then how long do we keep excusing that, given how long Cook has been here now?
We really need to get something from the Wycombe game, ideally all three points. If we lose again on Tuesday the rest of the season is going to look like a tough old slog and I think questions of whether it's going to work for Cook here would be legitimate. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:32 - Oct 31 with 3665 views | ColchesterBlue1985 |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:20 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
So scoring every single game and becoming the leagues top scorers isn't viewed as a positive (when was the last time that happened)? Of course league position wise we should be better but we do the hardest part of football easy, scoring goals. For that reason alone he needs a minimum until May. Because of a fair few reasons he hasn't been able to play his best back 5 game after game either, until this happens we won't know if we can close the door a bit more.
The play of Donacien, Aluko, Burns, Chaplin, Bonne has been incredible and I want more of it. |
It’s irrelevant when are also the highest goals against in the division. I’m afraid one negates the other in that respect. Plymouth were without there best player yesterday they coped fine and apart from 10 min spell at the end were very comfortable, yet the squad Cook has assembled is big in both numbers and quality yet we find ourselves 11th!!! Behind the likes of Accrington, Burton, MK Dons and Oxford all much smaller squads with far less ability then the we one possess.
Also let’s not get ahead of ourselves the interplay between the aforementioned players isn’t “incredible” it’s sometimes decent but let’s not go overboard. | | | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:37 - Oct 31 with 3633 views | Romeo4 |
So what’s your suggestion Joe? Sack Cook? Appoint who? |  | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 with 3557 views | Bluedandy |
Cook has until the end of season ... no doubting the quality for this level and in patches our play has been a big improvement on the last few years.
Given the resources we should expect that and getting into playoffs this season is the absolute minimum required ... no project BS ... this is the third division.
If we fall short, his job should be on the line, but in the meantime, my frothy glass remains half full ...
I see us making the playoffs (automatic has gone) followed by our first ever trip to the new Wembley where we will lose.
Cook keeps his job and then the season after we'll be promoted automatically. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 with 3545 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't see the point in comparing last season with this. They're two totally different teams and two totally different sets of circumstances. I know you're trying to infer he's pretty much done the same, but no, the records being similar is merely a coincidence. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:54 - Oct 31 with 3534 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Just to point out that 7+7+4 makes 18 games last season! |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:54 - Oct 31 with 3535 views | DinnernotTea |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:32 - Oct 31 by ColchesterBlue1985 |
It’s irrelevant when are also the highest goals against in the division. I’m afraid one negates the other in that respect. Plymouth were without there best player yesterday they coped fine and apart from 10 min spell at the end were very comfortable, yet the squad Cook has assembled is big in both numbers and quality yet we find ourselves 11th!!! Behind the likes of Accrington, Burton, MK Dons and Oxford all much smaller squads with far less ability then the we one possess.
Also let’s not get ahead of ourselves the interplay between the aforementioned players isn’t “incredible” it’s sometimes decent but let’s not go overboard. |
If you think scoring more than 30 league goals before November isn't incredible then you've not gone to a single game of the last 15 years. For instance last 15 we create 3 golden chances as we have the belief of keep knocking on that door, again we would've rolled over completely on 50 minutes with anyone else.
Up until 5pm yesterday we were a top 6 side on form, one defeat to top of the league and the digging of stats come out. Would absolutely love to know your thoughts had we bagged a last minute equaliser.
A 5 of Walton, Donacien, Edmundson, Nsiala & Coulson for 10 straight games wouldn't see us concede 2 a game, but for luck we haven't seen that yet. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:55 - Oct 31 with 3527 views | blueboyd |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:37 - Oct 31 by Romeo4 |
So what’s your suggestion Joe? Sack Cook? Appoint who? |
We are just fans of the club, it is well above our football insider knowledge to name a new manager, we all just want what is best for the club. Honestly I would argue that any manager could over the games last season and this season got a better tune out of the players than Cook has, Yes, Including Lambert.
We've become so use to failing at football that the fact we have scored goals and are playing better quality passing means there is apparently progress, just get promoted is the remit this season for me regardless of performances. Cook isn't the man to do that with this club I am certain of that. His lack of a Plan B is costing us.
We are a damn good proposition for a decent manager, for everyone wanting Cook to succeed because he is a nice bloke (he isn't) I find some of the claptrap trotted out after a defeat as laughable - Yet again we have come up short this season in a game and it isn't good enough! I am unsure why more people cannot see it! | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:56 - Oct 31 with 3515 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:54 - Oct 31 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Just to point out that 7+7+4 makes 18 games last season! |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:56 - Oct 31 with 3500 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't see the point in comparing last season with this. They're two totally different teams and two totally different sets of circumstances. I know you're trying to infer he's pretty much done the same, but no, the records being similar is merely a coincidence. |
Eh? The records being similar is the evidence that he’s broadly performed the same. Different approach but very similar outcome. We’ve been improving lately though, so it’s (just about) going in the right direction. |  |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:57 - Oct 31 with 3509 views | Blue_Heath |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:37 - Oct 31 by Romeo4 |
So what’s your suggestion Joe? Sack Cook? Appoint who? |
Wow, I didn't realise this season had pretty much mirrored the last in terms of results. A win yesterday would have not gained us anything on the top six and this is the issue. Every loss/draw now puts us even further back we could be 10 points off top six by midweek.
As someone earlier said same old mistakes and no plan b nevermind c is evident.
We have relied on Bonne so far who is not even ours and predictably his goals are drying up now as he was never going to continue at that rate.
Cook is a league one Solskjaer who will pull a result out when needed to keep himself in a job.
Top two has gone and we are going to have to go on some run to get top six. I am afraid unless we win three of the next four it's mid table with flirts between relegation when we lose and dreams of top six when we win.
Cook's saving grace is there is no obvious replacement. | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:58 - Oct 31 with 3491 views | blueboyd |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:54 - Oct 31 by DinnernotTea |
If you think scoring more than 30 league goals before November isn't incredible then you've not gone to a single game of the last 15 years. For instance last 15 we create 3 golden chances as we have the belief of keep knocking on that door, again we would've rolled over completely on 50 minutes with anyone else.
Up until 5pm yesterday we were a top 6 side on form, one defeat to top of the league and the digging of stats come out. Would absolutely love to know your thoughts had we bagged a last minute equaliser.
A 5 of Walton, Donacien, Edmundson, Nsiala & Coulson for 10 straight games wouldn't see us concede 2 a game, but for luck we haven't seen that yet. |
top of the "30 league goals before November" league - how exciting!! what do we win? | | | |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:58 - Oct 31 with 3480 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:56 - Oct 31 by itfcjoe |
Edited!! |
Still no better then....shame! | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:02 - Oct 31 with 3448 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 06:48 - Oct 31 by Herbivore |
However anyone may throw out mitigating circumstances, that's an abysmal record with the resources he's had at his disposal. It's made worse when you factor in the opposition we've faced during that time, the final third of last season and the first third of this season our fixtures have been heavily skewed towards bottom half sides. Only 10 of the 31 games we've played under Cook have been against sides in the top half.
It is still possible that things will come good for Cook here and I sincerely hope they will, prior to yesterday things were starting to look a little more positive. However, that's a really poor start to his tenure and I worry that we see some of the same flaws repeating themselves over and over again over his time here. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 7:01]
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This top half/bottom half sides nonsense has to stop. Yes there are certain teams that are worse than others - you can certainly say Doncaster are carp - but teams should be looked at on a game by game basis. League placings mean diddly squat for the first 10 games of the season for starters. And then there's the fact that us beating a team will stop them getting 3 points and perhaps stop them being in the top half because of that.
It would be fair to look at the league table at the end of the season to judge who the better teams are, but not now. Portsmouth away is a great case in point. Most of us thought that would be a tough game beforehand... but after we stuffed them 0-4, some, like you, revert to "Oh but they were rubbish". | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:04 - Oct 31 with 3437 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:13 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
Careful...many will view that as progress.
1 more point so far. |
That's a very simplistic take which removes all context. As is the OP. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:04 - Oct 31 with 3430 views | Herbivore |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:56 - Oct 31 by Swansea_Blue |
Eh? The records being similar is the evidence that he’s broadly performed the same. Different approach but very similar outcome. We’ve been improving lately though, so it’s (just about) going in the right direction. |
Indeed. The common denominator is a manager who is hugely underperforming. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:05 - Oct 31 with 3421 views | tractorboy1978 |
It's extremely worrying when you look at the bigger picture and 6th place is currently on for 83 points (and yes I am already talking about 6th place rather than the top 2 after 15 games).
That'll likely dip off a bit but realistically, we probably need a minimum of 17 wins from 31 and can't afford more than half a dozen more losses. We still have to play 5 of the current top 6 twice. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 8:06]
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:05 - Oct 31 with 3428 views | itfcjoe |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 07:52 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I really don't see the point in comparing last season with this. They're two totally different teams and two totally different sets of circumstances. I know you're trying to infer he's pretty much done the same, but no, the records being similar is merely a coincidence. |
Some people are happy to how poor last season was as there were mitigating factors - personally I don’t but that is neither nor there.
But now this season has been just as poor, it’s not about comparing the two but illustrating just how far off it we continue to be. | |
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| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:05 - Oct 31 with 3421 views | blueboyd |
| Last season vs this season for Cook on 08:02 - Oct 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This top half/bottom half sides nonsense has to stop. Yes there are certain teams that are worse than others - you can certainly say Doncaster are carp - but teams should be looked at on a game by game basis. League placings mean diddly squat for the first 10 games of the season for starters. And then there's the fact that us beating a team will stop them getting 3 points and perhaps stop them being in the top half because of that.
It would be fair to look at the league table at the end of the season to judge who the better teams are, but not now. Portsmouth away is a great case in point. Most of us thought that would be a tough game beforehand... but after we stuffed them 0-4, some, like you, revert to "Oh but they were rubbish". |
Portsmouth really were rubbish though, if you saw the game they were absolutely hopeless. | | | |
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