| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live 10:37 - May 9 with 62015 views | itfcjoe |
These things are just mad, he's made a mistake, deleted the offending tweet as soon as pointed out to him and offered a full apology instantly and explained he wasn't aware.
I'd hate to be in the public eye in anyway, must be torturous |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:45 - May 9 with 1621 views | lowhouseblue |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 11:38 - May 9 by 26_Paz |
Let me get this straight ... just so I understand. Someone has posted a picture on twitter depicting a black baby as a chimp and some of you don't think he should be fired?
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you little monkey. |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:47 - May 9 with 1619 views | Jonnosdreadlocks |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 12:01 - May 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Yes I agree really, what Ron said was really bad but I still feel a bit sorry for him. That comment has basically ruined his life, the life of a man that did so much for black footballers. |
Ron Atkinson did a lot of positive things for Black Players in the English game he was lauded and loved by the likes of the Black players he brought in at WBA, like Regis, Batson, Cunningham and he has been vilified for one stupid comment. Actions speak louder than words and he did more for Black Players at a time real horrible racist chants came from the terraces in the 70's and 80's were heard all the time.
https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/legend-brendon-b |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:48 - May 9 with 1614 views | SpruceMoose |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:45 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
Implicit racism is where you systematically make decisions that discriminate against a group of individuals with some common characteristic, without realising you do so.
DB posted a picture to make a point about privilege and did not recognise that this could be considered offensive by some folk.
Two totally different things.
Edited for clarity. [Post edited 9 May 2019 18:53]
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So your statement that racism requires intent was utter nonsense. Thank you for finally agreeing with me. |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:48 - May 9 with 1604 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:33 - May 9 by chicoazul |
For you, where is the line between *being* racist, and doing racist acts or saying racist things? |
Being racist suggests intent and over several instances. A one-off mistake that is seen by some as a racist act I'd suggest is very different.
I've told the story on here before of how I was describing a script for an ad to a Creative Director... who happens to be one of the few black Creative Directors in British advertising. Anyway, I was describing a guy walking down the street with an 80's boom box on his shoulder, blasting out tunes. Except when I got to it I described it as a "wog box" (what we called it when I was a kid). It was only at that precise moment that I realised what that word meant!
I was horrified, but the CD in question is a good bloke, realised I hadn't realised what the word meant until that moment, and has taken the piss out of me for it ever since.
But does that make me a racist? |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:48 - May 9 with 1604 views | SpruceMoose |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:47 - May 9 by Jonnosdreadlocks |
Ron Atkinson did a lot of positive things for Black Players in the English game he was lauded and loved by the likes of the Black players he brought in at WBA, like Regis, Batson, Cunningham and he has been vilified for one stupid comment. Actions speak louder than words and he did more for Black Players at a time real horrible racist chants came from the terraces in the 70's and 80's were heard all the time.
https://www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/legend-brendon-b |
Shame he ruined it with his awful racist outburst then. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:49 - May 9 with 1598 views | chicoazul |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:45 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
Implicit racism is where you systematically make decisions that discriminate against a group of individuals with some common characteristic, without realising you do so.
DB posted a picture to make a point about privilege and did not recognise that this could be considered offensive by some folk.
Two totally different things.
Edited for clarity. [Post edited 9 May 2019 18:53]
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So racism does....or does not.....require "intent" as you put it? |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:49 - May 9 with 1597 views | SpruceMoose |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:48 - May 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Being racist suggests intent and over several instances. A one-off mistake that is seen by some as a racist act I'd suggest is very different.
I've told the story on here before of how I was describing a script for an ad to a Creative Director... who happens to be one of the few black Creative Directors in British advertising. Anyway, I was describing a guy walking down the street with an 80's boom box on his shoulder, blasting out tunes. Except when I got to it I described it as a "wog box" (what we called it when I was a kid). It was only at that precise moment that I realised what that word meant!
I was horrified, but the CD in question is a good bloke, realised I hadn't realised what the word meant until that moment, and has taken the piss out of me for it ever since.
But does that make me a racist? |
Wow. Were you 11 in this presentation? You didn't know the weight of that word? [Post edited 9 May 2019 18:54]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:50 - May 9 with 1593 views | xrayspecs |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:48 - May 9 by SpruceMoose |
So your statement that racism requires intent was utter nonsense. Thank you for finally agreeing with me. |
I clearly do not agree with you.
DB posted a picture to make a point about privilege and did not realise that this could be considered racist.
That does not make him a racist or what he did a racist act.
It lacked intent. |  | | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:52 - May 9 with 1586 views | xrayspecs |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:49 - May 9 by chicoazul |
So racism does....or does not.....require "intent" as you put it? |
Does require intent.
I will correct the previous post. I thought you would understand the point without the additional qualification. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:52 - May 9 with 1584 views | SpruceMoose |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:50 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
I clearly do not agree with you.
DB posted a picture to make a point about privilege and did not realise that this could be considered racist.
That does not make him a racist or what he did a racist act.
It lacked intent. |
You initially said racism requires intent. I've demonstrated why you're wrong. Your last post demonstrated that also. So I'm not sure how you think you;re anything but wrong here.
Danny Baker is probably not a racist, but Danny Baker posted a racist image. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:54 - May 9 with 1577 views | SpruceMoose |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:52 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
Does require intent.
I will correct the previous post. I thought you would understand the point without the additional qualification. |
You're having a mare.
Your first example proves intent is not always required for a racist act to be committed. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:54 - May 9 with 1574 views | chicoazul |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:50 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
I clearly do not agree with you.
DB posted a picture to make a point about privilege and did not realise that this could be considered racist.
That does not make him a racist or what he did a racist act.
It lacked intent. |
So there we are. xrayspecs says we can post pictures of monkeys, compare them to a POC's child, but if we *say* it's not racist then it isnt and therefore it is not a racist act.
How very very depressing and awful this opinion is. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:55 - May 9 with 1569 views | sparks |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:52 - May 9 by SpruceMoose |
You initially said racism requires intent. I've demonstrated why you're wrong. Your last post demonstrated that also. So I'm not sure how you think you;re anything but wrong here.
Danny Baker is probably not a racist, but Danny Baker posted a racist image. |
No he didn't. He posted an image which in a specific context could be construed in that way. It was not inherently racist.
He, one firmly suspects, was absolutely mortified when it was pointed out to him. There is no basis to conclude, on the information available, that he posted it with even Markle's origins in mind and as such, I struggle to see how you can even conclude some subconscious racism / prejudice. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:55 - May 9 with 1563 views | SpruceMoose |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:54 - May 9 by chicoazul |
So there we are. xrayspecs says we can post pictures of monkeys, compare them to a POC's child, but if we *say* it's not racist then it isnt and therefore it is not a racist act.
How very very depressing and awful this opinion is. |
Apparently the person who commits the act should get to decide what is and isn't racist. As we all know, middle aged white blokes are the expert in this field and should thus always be deferred to. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:56 - May 9 with 1558 views | BrixtonBlue |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:54 - May 9 by chicoazul |
So there we are. xrayspecs says we can post pictures of monkeys, compare them to a POC's child, but if we *say* it's not racist then it isnt and therefore it is not a racist act.
How very very depressing and awful this opinion is. |
You're wilfully taking things out of context. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:56 - May 9 with 1557 views | xrayspecs |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:52 - May 9 by SpruceMoose |
You initially said racism requires intent. I've demonstrated why you're wrong. Your last post demonstrated that also. So I'm not sure how you think you;re anything but wrong here.
Danny Baker is probably not a racist, but Danny Baker posted a racist image. |
Oh dear.
You have only proven that we have different views.
A racist act requires intent.
I stand by that point. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:56 - May 9 with 1550 views | SpruceMoose |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:55 - May 9 by sparks |
No he didn't. He posted an image which in a specific context could be construed in that way. It was not inherently racist.
He, one firmly suspects, was absolutely mortified when it was pointed out to him. There is no basis to conclude, on the information available, that he posted it with even Markle's origins in mind and as such, I struggle to see how you can even conclude some subconscious racism / prejudice. |
You're missing the point. Just because he didn't intend for it to be seen as racist, doesn't make it not racist.
Intent is not a prerequisite for a racist act to exist. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:57 - May 9 with 1547 views | Ryorry |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:50 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
I clearly do not agree with you.
DB posted a picture to make a point about privilege and did not realise that this could be considered racist.
That does not make him a racist or what he did a racist act.
It lacked intent. |
Pretty poor taste in any case to liken *anyone's* baby, of whatever colour (esp a newborn cosidering what the parents have just been through) to a chimp, even as a joke - it's just insulting and crass. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:57 - May 9 with 1547 views | chicoazul |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:55 - May 9 by sparks |
No he didn't. He posted an image which in a specific context could be construed in that way. It was not inherently racist.
He, one firmly suspects, was absolutely mortified when it was pointed out to him. There is no basis to conclude, on the information available, that he posted it with even Markle's origins in mind and as such, I struggle to see how you can even conclude some subconscious racism / prejudice. |
He posted a picture of a monkey to represent a POC woman's baby. If that is not inherently racist then what is? | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:59 - May 9 with 1535 views | lowhouseblue |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:48 - May 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Being racist suggests intent and over several instances. A one-off mistake that is seen by some as a racist act I'd suggest is very different.
I've told the story on here before of how I was describing a script for an ad to a Creative Director... who happens to be one of the few black Creative Directors in British advertising. Anyway, I was describing a guy walking down the street with an 80's boom box on his shoulder, blasting out tunes. Except when I got to it I described it as a "wog box" (what we called it when I was a kid). It was only at that precise moment that I realised what that word meant!
I was horrified, but the CD in question is a good bloke, realised I hadn't realised what the word meant until that moment, and has taken the piss out of me for it ever since.
But does that make me a racist? |
i wouldn't believe that story from anyone else. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:59 - May 9 with 1536 views | Trequartista |
Agree 100%. Crazy times. |  |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:59 - May 9 with 1535 views | SpruceMoose |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:56 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
Oh dear.
You have only proven that we have different views.
A racist act requires intent.
I stand by that point. |
Well, that's just stupid. At this point I can only conclude that you're one of these people who can't cope with being wrong.
You contradicted your own argument mate. Your own words demonstrated to us that racism doesn't require intent.
Never mind you standing by your point, I think your point is too embarrassed to stand by you at this juncture. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 19:02 - May 9 with 1514 views | manchego |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 18:31 - May 9 by chicoazul |
And I am making the point that posting a picture of a monkey and comparing to a black, POC, whatever your choice of word is, woman's baby is indeed racist. I am not surprised to find that there are people on here that don't agree with this but I am disappointed. |
I don't think for a second he was comparing a monkey in a suit to a new born baby on the basis of race and heritage.
He's been doing animals dressed up as humans for years. He finds it funny. I don't so much but there you go. |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 19:04 - May 9 with 1502 views | itfcjoe |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:50 - May 9 by xrayspecs |
I clearly do not agree with you.
DB posted a picture to make a point about privilege and did not realise that this could be considered racist.
That does not make him a racist or what he did a racist act.
It lacked intent. |
If you listen to him, he says he didn't click it was Meghan's baby and once he did he took it straight down. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 19:04 - May 9 with 1501 views | ballycastle |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 17:37 - May 9 by sparks |
Indeed. Even if he knew, he probably didn't think of it or make the connection. The chimp in top hat and tails is an age old thing.
I find it highly improbably that an intelligent fellow like Baker would have knowingly / purposely do this. Why would he? |
Why are very few on here ignoring all but the racism angle? It is a ill mannered thing to do against what I'm guessing he thought was a free hit, should it not just be condemned, apologised for and move on? | | | |
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