| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live 10:37 - May 9 with 62001 views | itfcjoe |
These things are just mad, he's made a mistake, deleted the offending tweet as soon as pointed out to him and offered a full apology instantly and explained he wasn't aware.
I'd hate to be in the public eye in anyway, must be torturous |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:52 - May 9 with 4226 views | JakeITFC |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:42 - May 9 by J2BLUE |
I disagree. It needs intent to be racist IMO.
Did you ever use eeny, meeny, miny, moe in the playground to decide who is it? When I was a kid it was catch a tiger by its toe. Tiger was all I ever knew. I was surprised years later on here to learn there was another version of that. People cannot be expected to know everything and I don't think you can inject racism into something where no racism was intended. If it happened to you i'm sure you would be the first swearing you are not racist.
Can you really say there is no chance he saw the baby and posted that image without thinking back two generations to Meghan's mum? If so you have to admit it could be a simple mistake. I don't think it helps anyone to pretend this is a racist incident. [Post edited 9 May 2019 21:43]
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If you do or say something that is racist, I really don’t think the emphasis is on everybody else to be forgiving of your ignorance.
As per some of the examples in this thread, acceptable words and attitudes change over time and sometimes people can say racist stuff out of an entirely unknowing position - but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t racist and potentially offensive to someone.
I find your last paragraph a bit crass and it doesn’t really help your argument. |  | | |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:53 - May 9 with 4223 views | footers |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:46 - May 9 by sparks |
The idea that anyone who is not black cannot understand racism is very obviously fallacious. As is the idea that a black person identifying something racist is more valid than someone else doing so.
It may be so. And certainly there is an element of insight, on average, which factors into the equation. But... |
You've conveniently changed my argument from 'you've never experienced it' to 'you're not black'. So you have created your own fallacy.
'It may be so' - d'ya reckon?
But... what? |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:54 - May 9 with 4213 views | J2BLUE |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:51 - May 9 by footers |
There is no fact to be had, J2.
It's a subjective and relative question. |
I was replying to Jake who literally stated 'it was racist'. |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:56 - May 9 with 4203 views | sparks |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:53 - May 9 by footers |
You've conveniently changed my argument from 'you've never experienced it' to 'you're not black'. So you have created your own fallacy.
'It may be so' - d'ya reckon?
But... what? |
No. I didn't. |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:56 - May 9 with 4200 views | J2BLUE |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:52 - May 9 by JakeITFC |
If you do or say something that is racist, I really don’t think the emphasis is on everybody else to be forgiving of your ignorance.
As per some of the examples in this thread, acceptable words and attitudes change over time and sometimes people can say racist stuff out of an entirely unknowing position - but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t racist and potentially offensive to someone.
I find your last paragraph a bit crass and it doesn’t really help your argument. |
My last paragraph is an entirely fair point when multiple posters have pointed out that her mum being black was a big talking point before the wedding. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:00 - May 9 with 4172 views | footers |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:54 - May 9 by J2BLUE |
I was replying to Jake who literally stated 'it was racist'. |
Why were you replying to Jake by replying to my post? | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:00 - May 9 with 4169 views | footers |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:56 - May 9 by sparks |
No. I didn't. |
OK. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:06 - May 9 with 4139 views | JakeITFC |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:56 - May 9 by J2BLUE |
My last paragraph is an entirely fair point when multiple posters have pointed out that her mum being black was a big talking point before the wedding. |
Your argument is basically that the baby doesn’t look black so it’s fine to be racist. | | | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:07 - May 9 with 4136 views | peterleeblue |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 12:15 - May 9 by chicoazul |
Farage doesnt work for the BBC. He is one of the most popular politicians in the country and the BBC is bound by its' charter to represent that on programmes about current affairs/debate such as QT. |
Farage "popular politician"
POTD!!!
I hate him 2nd only to David Cameron. |  | | |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:09 - May 9 with 4126 views | sparks |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:06 - May 9 by JakeITFC |
Your argument is basically that the baby doesn’t look black so it’s fine to be racist. |
When you have to completely rephrase what someone said in order to criticise it, you are probably on thin ice. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:09 - May 9 with 4124 views | itfcjoe |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:06 - May 9 by JakeITFC |
Your argument is basically that the baby doesn’t look black so it’s fine to be racist. |
I've posted a couple of times on here - but no one seems to have actually listened to what Baker himself has said about it.
He has said he didn't click that the royal baby was Meghan's, he just heard Royal Baby and didn't put the 2 & 2 together.
As soon as he said someone told him it was Meghan's he took it straight down, as that is clearly racist. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:10 - May 9 with 4121 views | J2BLUE |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:06 - May 9 by JakeITFC |
Your argument is basically that the baby doesn’t look black so it’s fine to be racist. |
Wow. Absolutely not what I was saying. I was saying that based on that he could have made a genuine mistake. I am not saying it's ok to be racist at all. That is a very low comment to be honest. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:11 - May 9 with 4112 views | J2BLUE |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:00 - May 9 by footers |
Why were you replying to Jake by replying to my post? |
I wasn't. I replied to Sparks. You took issue with it. I replied agreeing with a point you made and then you said none of it was fact based. I was pointing out that I was disagreeing with Jake who said it is racist. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:12 - May 9 with 4112 views | manchego |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:48 - May 9 by sparks |
Disingenous.
He associated royal baby with posh monkey in an old photo.
He did not knowingly or intentionally, he says, associate posh monkey in old photo with a mixed race baby. So both positions are valid. No need to choose. |
No. They contradict each other.
Try again. Pick one. |  | | |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:14 - May 9 with 4104 views | sparks |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:12 - May 9 by manchego |
No. They contradict each other.
Try again. Pick one. |
No- you are presenting a false dichotomy. They do not contradict at all. For the reasons I explained, with admirable clarity. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:14 - May 9 with 4094 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:09 - May 9 by itfcjoe |
I've posted a couple of times on here - but no one seems to have actually listened to what Baker himself has said about it.
He has said he didn't click that the royal baby was Meghan's, he just heard Royal Baby and didn't put the 2 & 2 together.
As soon as he said someone told him it was Meghan's he took it straight down, as that is clearly racist. |
“He didn’t realise the royal baby was Meghan's”?
A bit like Hennessy didn’t realise it was a Nazi salute?
He is on Twitter every day and works in the media. I’m sure he had a hunch....
Btw - i don’t think he is racist, but I do believe he knew what he was tweeting and it was a Chris Evans style crass joke gone wrong [Post edited 9 May 2019 22:15]
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:17 - May 9 with 4076 views | footers |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:11 - May 9 by J2BLUE |
I wasn't. I replied to Sparks. You took issue with it. I replied agreeing with a point you made and then you said none of it was fact based. I was pointing out that I was disagreeing with Jake who said it is racist. |
I see, my misunderstanding!
Sorry, I am talking in a purely philosophical manner about 'facts'.
Opinions like 'x is racist' are technically relative and subjective; they cannot be considered as facts. Facts must have some form of demonstrable, unchangeable proof in logic. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:19 - May 9 with 4066 views | J2BLUE |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:17 - May 9 by footers |
I see, my misunderstanding!
Sorry, I am talking in a purely philosophical manner about 'facts'.
Opinions like 'x is racist' are technically relative and subjective; they cannot be considered as facts. Facts must have some form of demonstrable, unchangeable proof in logic. |
I agree. This whole thread is basically people arguing against the point that it might not have been intended racism. I don't know anything about Danny Baker so i'm not defending him because i'm a fan. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:22 - May 9 with 4047 views | JakeITFC |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:10 - May 9 by J2BLUE |
Wow. Absolutely not what I was saying. I was saying that based on that he could have made a genuine mistake. I am not saying it's ok to be racist at all. That is a very low comment to be honest. |
You say that it is not on the person making a gag like this to look into the parentage of the baby when saying it, i.e. the baby looks white, so I can relate it to a chimp and it’s fine.
That’s a dangerous way of thinking about it imo, and is way less valid an argument than what has actually happened in this case and damages the better points that sparks and others have raised. | | | |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:25 - May 9 with 4012 views | J2BLUE |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:22 - May 9 by JakeITFC |
You say that it is not on the person making a gag like this to look into the parentage of the baby when saying it, i.e. the baby looks white, so I can relate it to a chimp and it’s fine.
That’s a dangerous way of thinking about it imo, and is way less valid an argument than what has actually happened in this case and damages the better points that sparks and others have raised. |
Again that is not what i'm saying. I've explained it repeatedly. If we read Joe's post it's an irrelevant point anyway if he's claiming he didn't know it was her baby.
I've made lots of points. That was one. We can agree to disagree. | |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:30 - May 9 with 3992 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:14 - May 9 by ElderGrizzly |
“He didn’t realise the royal baby was Meghan's”?
A bit like Hennessy didn’t realise it was a Nazi salute?
He is on Twitter every day and works in the media. I’m sure he had a hunch....
Btw - i don’t think he is racist, but I do believe he knew what he was tweeting and it was a Chris Evans style crass joke gone wrong [Post edited 9 May 2019 22:15]
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This is what I’m struggling with. |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:33 - May 9 with 3977 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 19:19 - May 9 by SpruceMoose |
I think oriental is on the banned list too now. So that would have been a two for one. |
I think that's a US thing. In the UK it's not widely considered offensive*
* According to my Chinese partner, who is not one to take racism lying down (she was once arrested for assault after attacking an American tourist who racially abused her in Edinburgh). |  | | |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 23:08 - May 9 with 3909 views | eireblue |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 21:20 - May 9 by sparks |
It does nothing of the sort. It says that tehre is a qualitative difference between a racist act and a mistake that causes entirely unintended offence. |
Taking UK law, and harassment as an example, who defines what is an act of harassment.
Is it the person doing something, is it the person alleging something, or is it a third party observer that defines harassment? |  | | |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 23:29 - May 9 with 3885 views | Darth_Koont |
This whole thing is utter insanity.
People are being willfully stupid. |  |
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| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 00:49 - May 10 with 3840 views | Superfrans |
| Danny Baker sacked from 5 Live on 22:14 - May 9 by ElderGrizzly |
“He didn’t realise the royal baby was Meghan's”?
A bit like Hennessy didn’t realise it was a Nazi salute?
He is on Twitter every day and works in the media. I’m sure he had a hunch....
Btw - i don’t think he is racist, but I do believe he knew what he was tweeting and it was a Chris Evans style crass joke gone wrong [Post edited 9 May 2019 22:15]
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I don’t really buy the “didn’t know it was Meghan’s baby” line.
But I don’t think it was racist, nor did he know how the picture would be received.
Baker often uses these kind of images, in a totally innocent way. He has a feature on his programme about “circus animals dressed as famous people”. He has tweeted pictures like this before in different contexts.
I don’t personally believe that, for second, he thought about the race connotation. To be honest, when I saw the Tweet for the first time, I didn’t really think about it either. Then, when it was flagged, I though, “oh yeah...” As he did.
Personally, I’m gutted he’s been fired. I just hope he doesn’t retire from radio. He’s a genius and radio will be a poorer place without him.
But I’m more gutted at the pile-on today on Twitter which has been horrible - from lots of people who don’t know his schtick and don’t realise that it is perfectly possible for Baker to post a picture like this without any racist overtone at all. |  |
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