| This Free School Meals debate 18:53 - Oct 21 with 20412 views | tractordownsouth |
I've just seen the clips from Twitter as I don't have a licence to watch on Iplayer but bloody hell, these heartless individuals... They're all preaching personal responsibility, while voting for a policy that will ensure whether or not kids eat is determined by their parents income, which they have no control over.
First we have Brendan Clarke Smith accusing those wanting to feed kids of "virtue signalling." He's the same bloke who was caught denying the scale of food banks during his election hustings.
And Kieran Mullen, claiming that it's not the state's job to feed kids.
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| This Free School Meals debate on 17:59 - Oct 22 with 1217 views | NewcyBlue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 17:50 - Oct 22 by 26_Paz |
I don’t know the precise figures and not going to pretend I do |
So your belief is based on what exactly?
It’s not evidence, because all the evidence points to the scheme being needed.
It’s not empathy. |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 18:06 - Oct 22 with 1204 views | Mullet |
Absolute shower of bastards. |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 18:12 - Oct 22 with 1191 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 14:50 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE |
£20m is less than £1 per taxpayer, per week.
This really is black and white. If you oppose this you are a pr1ck. |
Yep. I’m glad the Welsh Government has prioritised continuing with free school meals here. It’s chicken feed (not literally!) and a no brainer really. |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 18:17 - Oct 22 with 1183 views | Swansea_Blue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:46 - Oct 22 by eireblue |
This is the logic that seems to me to be obviously flawed. But right wing types seem to miss.
When ever people talk about spending more money on benefits, the characteristics of deserving/un-deserving poor, in some way pops up.
And of course we get people talking about feckless parents, single mothers just having babies to get houses etc.
Well that’s easy to solve, target benefits at children. This extends to children that are in care.
Children can have free schools, free school books, proper computer equipment, food, social workers with a low ration of children to social worker. The development, education, feeding, housing, protection of children becomes a function of society.
Now certain types, like Paz, will think things like, why should I pay for other peoples children.
Well, why should a person that looks after their health, keeps their BMI down, doesn’t get drunk, isn’t a criminal, pay for NHS care for fat b@stards that get into punch ups on a Friday night.
Why should citizens subsidise an adult being irresponsible, but not a subsidise a child just growing up.
Paz’s taxes currently subsidise some feckless adult humans, but Paz seems reluctant to have his tax targeted at children. [Post edited 22 Oct 2020 13:48]
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Good idea. And yes it’s a bit strange how they’re not prepared to spend a few tens of £millions on the when irresponsible adults need hell of a lot more public spending. Let’s genuinely invest in the future rather than pay lip service to it. We’re one of the richest countries in the world after all, so it shouldn’t be beyond us. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 07:12 - Oct 23 with 1094 views | The_Major |
"This Black Lives Matter thing is wrong. Surely ALL Lives Matter"
"OK, so that'll include the poor sods risking life and limb to cross the Channel."
"NO, NOT LIKE THAT.... Er, we should be helping our own."
"Righto, better feed those kids then."
"NO, NOT LIKE THAT EITHER." |  | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 07:36 - Oct 23 with 1078 views | Mercian |
Is the first person having a dig at Rashford? |  | | |
| This Free School Meals debate (n/t) on 12:36 - Oct 24 with 889 views | m14_blue |
Meanwhile, in my closest Tory held seat many businesses have barred their MP from visiting their premises in protest at this (he is also one of the top 10 expense claimants) and are very publicly stepping in to feed the most vulnerable children at a time of national crisis.
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| This Free School Meals debate on 12:49 - Oct 24 with 875 views | Dubtractor |
The tories. A great bunch of lads.
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| This Free School Meals debate on 13:00 - Oct 24 with 855 views | m14_blue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 12:49 - Oct 24 by Dubtractor |
The tories. A great bunch of lads.
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Yet another one bleating on about being taken out of context without even attempting to explain what the actual context is. | | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:08 - Oct 24 with 839 views | eireblue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 12:49 - Oct 24 by Dubtractor |
The tories. A great bunch of lads.
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WTF.
So the message is, we will not give children free meals, and a snarky smart arse comment to business that will.
Classy. |  | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:12 - Oct 24 with 831 views | SidVicious |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:08 - Oct 24 by eireblue |
WTF.
So the message is, we will not give children free meals, and a snarky smart arse comment to business that will.
Classy. |
Clearly this debate has been hijacked by some pretty extremist left wing views
It’s all our responsibilities as parents to feed our children and if you fall in hard times then that is where extended families can come and support. The alternative is quickly get other gainful employment there is plenty of pre Xmas jobs out there at the moment
If all that fails then there is a very generous benefits system that provides a safety net
By encouraging the feckless to try this then no child needs to go hungry
Let’s take the emotion out of it and give them practical help |  | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:26 - Oct 24 with 815 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:12 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
Clearly this debate has been hijacked by some pretty extremist left wing views
It’s all our responsibilities as parents to feed our children and if you fall in hard times then that is where extended families can come and support. The alternative is quickly get other gainful employment there is plenty of pre Xmas jobs out there at the moment
If all that fails then there is a very generous benefits system that provides a safety net
By encouraging the feckless to try this then no child needs to go hungry
Let’s take the emotion out of it and give them practical help |
Feckless poor? Wtf? Have I woken up back in the Victorian period?
How about practical help in the form of food, eh Ayn Rand? |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 13:39 - Oct 24 with 789 views | SidVicious |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:26 - Oct 24 by SpruceMoose |
Feckless poor? Wtf? Have I woken up back in the Victorian period?
How about practical help in the form of food, eh Ayn Rand? |
Let’s put it another way how many children have died of starvation in the UK this year?
None what so ever it never happens the safety net works
To many people on here virtue signalling and not sticking to the facts | | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:42 - Oct 24 with 779 views | Dubtractor |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:39 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
Let’s put it another way how many children have died of starvation in the UK this year?
None what so ever it never happens the safety net works
To many people on here virtue signalling and not sticking to the facts |
Almost everyone who uses the phrase 'virtue signalling' as a criticism of others is a pretty poor quality person. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 13:45 - Oct 24 with 771 views | m14_blue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:39 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
Let’s put it another way how many children have died of starvation in the UK this year?
None what so ever it never happens the safety net works
To many people on here virtue signalling and not sticking to the facts |
Wow.
You seem nice. | | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:47 - Oct 24 with 766 views | jeera |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:12 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
Clearly this debate has been hijacked by some pretty extremist left wing views
It’s all our responsibilities as parents to feed our children and if you fall in hard times then that is where extended families can come and support. The alternative is quickly get other gainful employment there is plenty of pre Xmas jobs out there at the moment
If all that fails then there is a very generous benefits system that provides a safety net
By encouraging the feckless to try this then no child needs to go hungry
Let’s take the emotion out of it and give them practical help |
Whether human beings, and especially children, should receive help with the most basic needs in life is not a debate.
Let alone extremist. |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 13:48 - Oct 24 with 761 views | Mullet |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:39 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
Let’s put it another way how many children have died of starvation in the UK this year?
None what so ever it never happens the safety net works
To many people on here virtue signalling and not sticking to the facts |
https://www.ft.com/content/e5061be6-2978-4c0b-aa68-f372a2526826
I used the ONS figures and did some data searching for you. This is for 2019
https://www.nomisweb.co.uk/query/asv2htm.aspx
530, 841 people aged under 19 and under died, 136 of malnutrition in 2019. (Apologies for missign out the bloody important bit!) [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 13:50]
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| This Free School Meals debate on 13:54 - Oct 24 with 730 views | DanTheMan |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:12 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
Clearly this debate has been hijacked by some pretty extremist left wing views
It’s all our responsibilities as parents to feed our children and if you fall in hard times then that is where extended families can come and support. The alternative is quickly get other gainful employment there is plenty of pre Xmas jobs out there at the moment
If all that fails then there is a very generous benefits system that provides a safety net
By encouraging the feckless to try this then no child needs to go hungry
Let’s take the emotion out of it and give them practical help |
"It’s all our responsibilities as parents to feed our children and if you fall in hard times then that is where extended families can come and support. The alternative is quickly get other gainful employment there is plenty of pre Xmas jobs out there at the moment"
People really do have very idealised views of what families are like. |  |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 14:09 - Oct 24 with 715 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:39 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
Let’s put it another way how many children have died of starvation in the UK this year?
None what so ever it never happens the safety net works
To many people on here virtue signalling and not sticking to the facts |
Dead children are your baseline?
Yet another pointless troll/awful human on here. [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 14:10]
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| This Free School Meals debate on 14:11 - Oct 24 with 710 views | m14_blue |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:54 - Oct 24 by DanTheMan |
"It’s all our responsibilities as parents to feed our children and if you fall in hard times then that is where extended families can come and support. The alternative is quickly get other gainful employment there is plenty of pre Xmas jobs out there at the moment"
People really do have very idealised views of what families are like. |
It's mad, isn't it?
Obviously not the faintest idea what it's like for some children growing up in this country.
"that is where extended families can come and support" Jesus Christ, if it wasn't so depressing it would be laughable. | | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 14:15 - Oct 24 with 704 views | DanTheMan |
| This Free School Meals debate on 14:11 - Oct 24 by m14_blue |
It's mad, isn't it?
Obviously not the faintest idea what it's like for some children growing up in this country.
"that is where extended families can come and support" Jesus Christ, if it wasn't so depressing it would be laughable. |
I didn't see a lot of my close blood relatives more than once a year, some only at family events every few years, some I literally did not see.
This was AFTER both my parents died. You'd think they'd rally round a bit but... nope. And most (bar one) are not even bad people. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 14:16 - Oct 24 with 705 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 13:54 - Oct 24 by DanTheMan |
"It’s all our responsibilities as parents to feed our children and if you fall in hard times then that is where extended families can come and support. The alternative is quickly get other gainful employment there is plenty of pre Xmas jobs out there at the moment"
People really do have very idealised views of what families are like. |
It's a dad and a mum and two kids Dan. White of course. And they have to have 'good' Conservative (double) standards. Any other configuration of feckless plebs can get in the sea. | |
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| This Free School Meals debate on 14:18 - Oct 24 with 698 views | SidVicious |
| This Free School Meals debate on 14:11 - Oct 24 by m14_blue |
It's mad, isn't it?
Obviously not the faintest idea what it's like for some children growing up in this country.
"that is where extended families can come and support" Jesus Christ, if it wasn't so depressing it would be laughable. |
The reality of this debate is that one side is never going to convince the other side of their point of view
For me it’s always the responsibility of the parents to look after their children others (many have expressed this view on here ) that it is the governments responsibility to look after our children
As a responsible parent you will never convince me of your view point that you can simply wash your hands of your responsibilities but for many they don’t see the issue with it
At the end of the day it’s about your own morale compass and I am very comfortable with mine | | | |
| This Free School Meals debate on 14:22 - Oct 24 with 686 views | SpruceMoose |
| This Free School Meals debate on 14:18 - Oct 24 by SidVicious |
The reality of this debate is that one side is never going to convince the other side of their point of view
For me it’s always the responsibility of the parents to look after their children others (many have expressed this view on here ) that it is the governments responsibility to look after our children
As a responsible parent you will never convince me of your view point that you can simply wash your hands of your responsibilities but for many they don’t see the issue with it
At the end of the day it’s about your own morale compass and I am very comfortable with mine |
The reality of this debate is hungry kids and disenfranchised parents thanks to years of ideological Tory cuts. Not you defending some 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' worldview that is derived from a place of privilege and lack empathy.
At least there's a good chance that your kids will grow up to think Dad's a bit of a selfish bellend. But hey, at least you'll have that moral compass of yours. [Post edited 24 Oct 2020 14:25]
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