| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:12 - Nov 22 with 1673 views | nodge_blue |
Its "interesting" that Europe is facing a rougher time than the UK right now.
There was alot of debate, including on here, about us opening up too soon in the Summer. That now looks a better decision than many would acknowledge.
As in many things in life, theres a lot of nuance to the covid debate, rather than some of the back and white that can be painted.
Its a disease we will have to live with for decades. Hopefully vaccines, treatments etc will make it alot better and this is the last Winter where its a significant concern.
But for now, people should get vaccinated for themselves and society as a whole. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 13:16]
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:14 - Nov 22 with 1650 views | Steve_M |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:12 - Nov 22 by nodge_blue |
Its "interesting" that Europe is facing a rougher time than the UK right now.
There was alot of debate, including on here, about us opening up too soon in the Summer. That now looks a better decision than many would acknowledge.
As in many things in life, theres a lot of nuance to the covid debate, rather than some of the back and white that can be painted.
Its a disease we will have to live with for decades. Hopefully vaccines, treatments etc will make it alot better and this is the last Winter where its a significant concern.
But for now, people should get vaccinated for themselves and society as a whole. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 13:16]
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People keep cherry-picking time frames here, both those who want to make the UK out as a sterling success and those who want to do the opposite. That doesn't help informed debate. |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:17 - Nov 22 with 1615 views | DinDjarin |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:03 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Although that's hospital admissions rather than those needing treatment on ICUs. The article in the OP notes that double jabbed folk are requiring treatment on the general wards but that in ICU it is primarily the unvaccinated. |
Maybe but more vaccinated people are passing away than unvaccinated which is down to the % take up of the vaccine.
To say the wards and icu are full of only unvaccinated is not true.
https://fullfact.org/health/health-guardian-podcast-vaccinated-deaths/ [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 13:20]
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:18 - Nov 22 with 1610 views | Pinewoodblue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:03 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
Although that's hospital admissions rather than those needing treatment on ICUs. The article in the OP notes that double jabbed folk are requiring treatment on the general wards but that in ICU it is primarily the unvaccinated. |
It is worth pointing out that less than 1,000 people in UK are currently in ICU.
Also while the number being admitted to hospital with Covid in last 7 days is less than 7,000 there are less than 9,000 currently in hospital with Covid. This suggests to me that those currently being admitted into hospital are, on average, spending less time in hospital than a year ago. |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:22 - Nov 22 with 1573 views | N2_Blue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 11:10 - Nov 22 by leitrimblue |
I'm possibly outnumbered by anti vaxers, if not it must be about 50/50. Have a friend who hasn't spoke to us since last summer when I was refusing to accept covid was somehow connected to Bill Gates. I would guess that perhaps as many as half of that anti vax group don't really mix with anyone who doesn't 100% agree with um |
Bloody hell
Out of my close circle of family and friends approx 50 people) not a single one is antic vax and everyone has had their jabs, (or at least one jab if a minor).
i don't think i could tolerate anti vax people and to say you are surrounded 50/50 by them would probably send me over the edge. Do they have dubious views on other stuff?
Get jabbed people...please |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:25 - Nov 22 with 1526 views | leitrimblue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 12:25 - Nov 22 by Herbivore |
You're not all baaaaaaaad. |
Baaaaaaaaaaaaaalls |  | | |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:35 - Nov 22 with 1460 views | itfc_bucks |
I have a family member and their partner, neither of whom have had a jab yet. All they've said is that for their own reasons, they're not having it.
We've said that that's their view, but ours is that, because they represent an unacceptable risk, we wont be seeing them and they won't be anywhere near our kids.
They're just too much of a risk. |  | | |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:35 - Nov 22 with 1452 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Indeed, it's an entirely expected consequence of Bayes Theorem..... |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:37 - Nov 22 with 1438 views | leitrimblue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:22 - Nov 22 by N2_Blue |
Bloody hell
Out of my close circle of family and friends approx 50 people) not a single one is antic vax and everyone has had their jabs, (or at least one jab if a minor).
i don't think i could tolerate anti vax people and to say you are surrounded 50/50 by them would probably send me over the edge. Do they have dubious views on other stuff?
Get jabbed people...please |
Yer, a few of um we're always a bit prone to a conspiracy theory or 2, 5G, even chem trails. But that's gone from a few of the group to the majority. I find every week it gets harder to listen to their bullsh1te an not take the p1ss. | | | |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:40 - Nov 22 with 1420 views | Illinoisblue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 12:45 - Nov 22 by textbackup |
mate of mine
"i was walking my dog down ellenbrook catting to a bloke who lives next door to a dr, and he said him and all his team arent getting jab as not tested correctly...."
riiiiiight |
It’s just bizarre. These people presumably have flu shots and get their kids vaccinated for measles, mumps etc. yet a covid vax is all part of a global conspiracy apparently. Mad |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:58 - Nov 22 with 1373 views | belgablue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:40 - Nov 22 by Illinoisblue |
It’s just bizarre. These people presumably have flu shots and get their kids vaccinated for measles, mumps etc. yet a covid vax is all part of a global conspiracy apparently. Mad |
A close friend of Mrs Belga is anti vax - has bought and uses the line ‘we don’t know what we’re putting in our bodies’.
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 14:15 - Nov 22 with 1329 views | factual_blue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:35 - Nov 22 by itfc_bucks |
I have a family member and their partner, neither of whom have had a jab yet. All they've said is that for their own reasons, they're not having it.
We've said that that's their view, but ours is that, because they represent an unacceptable risk, we wont be seeing them and they won't be anywhere near our kids.
They're just too much of a risk. |
Similarly one of my wife's family won't have it (he's mentioned both a morbid fear of needles and having his DNA altered), so we won't be seeing him. |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 14:18 - Nov 22 with 1308 views | factual_blue |
I wonder if any of the board's anti-vaxxers are in hospital with Covid?
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 14:24 - Nov 22 with 1292 views | Ryorry |
As *most* people are aware now, protection wanes after a few months - hence the booster roll-out, & consequent drop in that %. |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 14:26 - Nov 22 with 1287 views | Swansea_Blue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:14 - Nov 22 by Steve_M |
People keep cherry-picking time frames here, both those who want to make the UK out as a sterling success and those who want to do the opposite. That doesn't help informed debate. |
Quite. It's the equivalent of getting excited about our 'playoff form' over a 6 game period, i.e. largely meaningless on it's own. People were trying to make political capital out of the England's early vaccination start, for example. Not only compared to other countries outside the Union, but Wales and Scotland were also being criticised for lagging behind England at the start, despite both saying they were laying the foundations for longer success by putting the infrastructure in place. Turns out both those countries were right and Scotland and Wales have the best vaccine rates in the UK at the monet (only just mind). Turns out other countries elsewhere caught up and overtook us too. The whole picture is more revealing than a snapshot (and today is a snapshot up to now of course- things could well be different again a few months). |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 14:49 - Nov 22 with 1234 views | nodge_blue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:14 - Nov 22 by Steve_M |
People keep cherry-picking time frames here, both those who want to make the UK out as a sterling success and those who want to do the opposite. That doesn't help informed debate. |
I like a nice cherry.
I think you actually helping make my point. People are quick to jump up and down when all we are ever doing is trying to make difficult decisions in a shifting landscape. | |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:01 - Nov 22 with 1195 views | Ryorry |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 14:49 - Nov 22 by nodge_blue |
I like a nice cherry.
I think you actually helping make my point. People are quick to jump up and down when all we are ever doing is trying to make difficult decisions in a shifting landscape. |
Telling people to keep masked in crowded public places isn't a "difficult" decision unless you're an exceptionally stupid, uncaring, amoral, incompetent & corrupt "Prime" Minister who can't be a'd to wear one himself, even when visiting a hospital.
And the stats on how good masks are at stopping infection rates from soaring have never shifted much. | |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:03 - Nov 22 with 1174 views | nodge_blue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:01 - Nov 22 by Ryorry |
Telling people to keep masked in crowded public places isn't a "difficult" decision unless you're an exceptionally stupid, uncaring, amoral, incompetent & corrupt "Prime" Minister who can't be a'd to wear one himself, even when visiting a hospital.
And the stats on how good masks are at stopping infection rates from soaring have never shifted much. |
True, but that wasn't the point I was making :-).
Actually for the point of debate I'll edit this. Mask wearing. As far as Im aware it was mandatory to wear them on trains....I assume it still is though Im not sure tbh.
When i last got on a train to Ipswich from Norwich for a football match, me and my son both wore masks. But we were very much the minority. Virtually all under 30s didnt. And even above that demographic was patchy. So what do you do? Do you start to arrest those people? Then you're in a Austria type scenario where riots start.
So Id say compulsory mask wearing is a thorny issue when large parts of society will not comply as it then becomes how do you enforce it. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 15:14]
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:20 - Nov 22 with 1130 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:03 - Nov 22 by nodge_blue |
True, but that wasn't the point I was making :-).
Actually for the point of debate I'll edit this. Mask wearing. As far as Im aware it was mandatory to wear them on trains....I assume it still is though Im not sure tbh.
When i last got on a train to Ipswich from Norwich for a football match, me and my son both wore masks. But we were very much the minority. Virtually all under 30s didnt. And even above that demographic was patchy. So what do you do? Do you start to arrest those people? Then you're in a Austria type scenario where riots start.
So Id say compulsory mask wearing is a thorny issue when large parts of society will not comply as it then becomes how do you enforce it. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 15:14]
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The point is, you wearing a mask has nothing to do with anyone else wearing one or not...... | |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:27 - Nov 22 with 1101 views | clive_baker |
Please don't misquote me. I was referencing a specific article, which I've shared. |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:27 - Nov 22 with 1100 views | nodge_blue |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:20 - Nov 22 by Ewan_Oozami |
The point is, you wearing a mask has nothing to do with anyone else wearing one or not...... |
Im not sure I follow.
But anyway, im just a bit bored on a Monday afternoon really.
Going to see Lincoln play Portsmouth tomorrow night as my son wanted to - and annoyingly missing Rotherham - so I'll do a sample check on the train again !! | |
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| Do we actually have any..... on 15:29 - Nov 22 with 1094 views | Bloots |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 14:18 - Nov 22 by factual_blue |
I wonder if any of the board's anti-vaxxers are in hospital with Covid?
#ISWAHOFC |
....anti-vaxxers on here?
Or just a few turds that don't like wearing a mask? |  |
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| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 15:32 - Nov 22 with 1072 views | Freddies_Ears |
| “ICU is full of the unvaccinated” on 13:12 - Nov 22 by nodge_blue |
Its "interesting" that Europe is facing a rougher time than the UK right now.
There was alot of debate, including on here, about us opening up too soon in the Summer. That now looks a better decision than many would acknowledge.
As in many things in life, theres a lot of nuance to the covid debate, rather than some of the back and white that can be painted.
Its a disease we will have to live with for decades. Hopefully vaccines, treatments etc will make it alot better and this is the last Winter where its a significant concern.
But for now, people should get vaccinated for themselves and society as a whole. [Post edited 22 Nov 2021 13:16]
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We should not overlook that UK has had far higher Covid rates and deaths per million than pretty much anywhere in Europe ever since the summer opening up. The friends and families of the 1000 or so people who have died each week since then might well disagree that we were right to open up. Maintaining mask-wearing and encouragement to work from home where reasonable would have made a positive difference. Vaccinating over-12s before term started would have made a huge positive difference.
Rest of Europe is catching up now the weather has changed and lives have moved back indoors. Countries with very high vaccination rates (that does not include UK, we're very much 'in the pack') have noticeably lower case rates and mortality. | | | |
| Do we actually have any..... on 15:39 - Nov 22 with 1043 views | WD19 |
| Do we actually have any..... on 15:29 - Nov 22 by Bloots |
....anti-vaxxers on here?
Or just a few turds that don't like wearing a mask? |
I think we have a special category of scum who are personally vaccinated but quite enjoy trying to encourage others to put their lives at risk. |  | | |
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