| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead 21:54 - Dec 11 with 14225 views | ElderGrizzly |
And Liz Truss odds on to be new PM.
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 09:52 - Dec 12 with 826 views | WD19 |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 09:35 - Dec 12 by ZXBlue |
I really don't understand this love for Burnham. Whilst the left may prefer him to Starmer, he would push away the sorts of middle of the road voters labour need to secure a majority.
Not that they have much chance of that, without a deal with the SNP anyway. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 9:35]
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Are you suggesting the Conservative & Unionist Party might prefer the granting of another Scottish Independence referendum to happen on the Labour Parties watch!? |  | | |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 09:54 - Dec 12 with 818 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 07:29 - Dec 12 by BlueBadger |
Yeah. Leading opinion polls is for sell outs and Tories. A REAL Labour man would be trailing by 15. |
But Corbyn |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 10:18 - Dec 12 with 764 views | chicoazul |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 22:04 - Dec 11 by J2BLUE |
Replacing him with another Tory is not what we need. |
Truss is a Lib Dem. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 10:29 - Dec 12 with 749 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 10:55 - Dec 12 with 703 views | positivity |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 08:35 - Dec 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Weak socialism in this instance is nationalistic capitalism so as per usual no real choice. |
that's complete nonsense.
you can see no difference between labour and the conservatives? you think they'd run the country in the exact same way?
leave any biases at the door and look again in a fresh way. it's too important to leave the tories in power for another 7-8 years, look at the damage they've done so far!
even blair left some positive legacy that the tories haven't been able to undo yet |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:01 - Dec 12 with 690 views | Ely_Blue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 00:04 - Dec 12 by footers |
Corbyn's.
It won't make any difference here but I don't want socialist voices silenced in what should be a party inclusive of socialist views. If people want conservatism with red lipstick they're more than welcome to it, but I won't be voting for it. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 0:05]
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So you never voted labour under Blair then? |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:05 - Dec 12 with 680 views | longtimefan |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 23:11 - Dec 11 by footers |
Starmer has made it pretty clear he doesn't want my vote, so I'll probably abstain or vote Green. |
And there we see it again. The left wing would rather enable another Tory Government than vote in a middle of the road Labour party  | | | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:17 - Dec 12 with 660 views | factual_blue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 22:58 - Dec 11 by galacticoblue |
Yep. He seems the best- but quite frankly, out if a terrible bunch. |
You're talking, quite inaccurately, about boris, aren't you? |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:20 - Dec 12 with 644 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:05 - Dec 12 by longtimefan |
And there we see it again. The left wing would rather enable another Tory Government than vote in a middle of the road Labour party |
Shouldn’t you be having a go at the LibDems? They’ve even got their own middle of the road party. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:21 - Dec 12 with 635 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 10:55 - Dec 12 by positivity |
that's complete nonsense.
you can see no difference between labour and the conservatives? you think they'd run the country in the exact same way?
leave any biases at the door and look again in a fresh way. it's too important to leave the tories in power for another 7-8 years, look at the damage they've done so far!
even blair left some positive legacy that the tories haven't been able to undo yet |
you can see no difference between labour and the conservatives? you think they'd run the country in the exact same way?
Pretty much, certainly in respect to my day to day life.
even blair left some positive legacy that the tories haven't been able to undo yet
Could you list them? |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:23 - Dec 12 with 630 views | pointofblue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:20 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Shouldn’t you be having a go at the LibDems? They’ve even got their own middle of the road party. |
Nice avoidance of the point being made though - surely, whilst not perfect, a centre left Labour is a better choice than the Tories; particularly this current bunch (or what the party could look like under Patel)? | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:25 - Dec 12 with 625 views | Ryorry |
🤣"John McDonnell announces a £330bn package of government loans to businesses. Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury Rishi Sunak calls it “communism by the back door”. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:26 - Dec 12 with 621 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 07:29 - Dec 12 by BlueBadger |
Yeah. Leading opinion polls is for sell outs and Tories. A REAL Labour man would be trailing by 15. |
Footers is right.
Starmer and his merry bunch of establishment-fluffers and grifters would still be a regressive step, although clearly not as regressive as Priti Patel and some of the other Tory ghouls mentioned.
It’s the fact that these are the supposed opposition and alternative that is massively disturbing. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:27 - Dec 12 with 615 views | Whos_blue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 22:13 - Dec 11 by factual_blue |
Although truss' cheese views will probably sit well with TWTDers. |
And pork. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:31 - Dec 12 with 599 views | Darth_Koont |
Wow! Is this actually meant to be funny? 😂
But certainly a useful insight into the centrist fantasy. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:33 - Dec 12 with 585 views | bluelagos |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:21 - Dec 12 by BanksterDebtSlave |
you can see no difference between labour and the conservatives? you think they'd run the country in the exact same way?
Pretty much, certainly in respect to my day to day life.
even blair left some positive legacy that the tories haven't been able to undo yet
Could you list them? |
Minimum wage.
Wrote off 3rd world debt.
Peace in Northern Ireland.
Peace in Sierra Leone.
Independence for the Bank of England.
Scottish devolution.
Civil partnerships.
Banned fox hunting. |  |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:35 - Dec 12 with 580 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:23 - Dec 12 by pointofblue |
Nice avoidance of the point being made though - surely, whilst not perfect, a centre left Labour is a better choice than the Tories; particularly this current bunch (or what the party could look like under Patel)? |
But they’re not centre-left. That’s the whole point. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:35 - Dec 12 with 574 views | pointofblue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:26 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Footers is right.
Starmer and his merry bunch of establishment-fluffers and grifters would still be a regressive step, although clearly not as regressive as Priti Patel and some of the other Tory ghouls mentioned.
It’s the fact that these are the supposed opposition and alternative that is massively disturbing. |
But sometimes you have to suck up that the country is not quite on the same wavelength at the moment. If a true socialist outlook was required Corbyn would have ran away with the elections in 2017 and 2019; not been beaten by someone who had the worst campaign in living memory and an incompetent buffoon who is a complete danger to this country.
You could argue the press and the Labour right were anti-Corbyn and perhaps someone with a less controversial background may have gained more momentum (no pun intended); he also had personality flaws which at times exposed a weakness when it came to decision making, leadership and preaching beyond the converted. Would a stronger socialist with a better presence have managed to drag along the majority? Maybe, and perhaps Labour should have tried.
But we are where we are now. The government and the opposition are not what I’d like them to be but our voting system means this is the choice we have to make. Choosing neither in some seats will just assist one of them. In others it won’t make a blind bit of difference. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:40 - Dec 12 with 561 views | Darth_Koont |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:35 - Dec 12 by pointofblue |
But sometimes you have to suck up that the country is not quite on the same wavelength at the moment. If a true socialist outlook was required Corbyn would have ran away with the elections in 2017 and 2019; not been beaten by someone who had the worst campaign in living memory and an incompetent buffoon who is a complete danger to this country.
You could argue the press and the Labour right were anti-Corbyn and perhaps someone with a less controversial background may have gained more momentum (no pun intended); he also had personality flaws which at times exposed a weakness when it came to decision making, leadership and preaching beyond the converted. Would a stronger socialist with a better presence have managed to drag along the majority? Maybe, and perhaps Labour should have tried.
But we are where we are now. The government and the opposition are not what I’d like them to be but our voting system means this is the choice we have to make. Choosing neither in some seats will just assist one of them. In others it won’t make a blind bit of difference. |
Corbyn was pushing European social democracy – not socialist policies per se.
And these are popular policies when the public are polled.
Our problem is that it’s the establishment politics and media that is most out of step with the population. And we keep making the same mistake every time and voting these people in. Totally inadequate and self-sabotaging. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:42 - Dec 12 with 551 views | positivity |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:33 - Dec 12 by bluelagos |
Minimum wage.
Wrote off 3rd world debt.
Peace in Northern Ireland.
Peace in Sierra Leone.
Independence for the Bank of England.
Scottish devolution.
Civil partnerships.
Banned fox hunting. |
banned smoking in public places.
massive investment in public health.
increased investment in the nhs.
massively raised standards in the nhs, which means the attempts by the conservatives to return to their status quo are met with far more resistance by the general public
none of these things would have happened under the conservatives.
your stance reminds me of student union socialist workers.
they only wanted their own policies enacted entirely without compromise.
would never work with anyone else who didn't follow their one true way
hated other people on the left (be they labour or communist or green) far more than those on the right
fundamentalism is just as unnattractive and dangerous in politics as any other dogma | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:43 - Dec 12 with 543 views | pointofblue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:40 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Corbyn was pushing European social democracy – not socialist policies per se.
And these are popular policies when the public are polled.
Our problem is that it’s the establishment politics and media that is most out of step with the population. And we keep making the same mistake every time and voting these people in. Totally inadequate and self-sabotaging. |
And yet the population do not vote for it when given the opportunity? They had two chances to elect Corbyn as Prime Minister over three years and failed to do so. | |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:44 - Dec 12 with 543 views | positivity |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:40 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Corbyn was pushing European social democracy – not socialist policies per se.
And these are popular policies when the public are polled.
Our problem is that it’s the establishment politics and media that is most out of step with the population. And we keep making the same mistake every time and voting these people in. Totally inadequate and self-sabotaging. |
so how do you change it?
wish really, really hard and stomp your feet into the void
or vote in the best viable alternative and work with them to improve them? [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 11:45]
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:45 - Dec 12 with 538 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:31 - Dec 12 by Darth_Koont |
Wow! Is this actually meant to be funny? 😂
But certainly a useful insight into the centrist fantasy. |
for me it raised interesting stuff about viewing a pandemic through excessively partisan eyes. the nature of government and opposition means that the current big political fractures could very easily have been drawn in radically different ways. people take sides and dig in, and with something like a pandemic which lies beyond the established ideological script, we could have ended up defending things we now attack.
that people like you use centrist as an insult convinces me that it must be a very good thing. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:45 - Dec 12 with 539 views | Ryorry |
| Labour with 9 point opinion poll lead on 11:33 - Dec 12 by bluelagos |
Minimum wage.
Wrote off 3rd world debt.
Peace in Northern Ireland.
Peace in Sierra Leone.
Independence for the Bank of England.
Scottish devolution.
Civil partnerships.
Banned fox hunting. |
+ Massive improvements for schools & education, including renovation & repair to buildings, some of which were, iirc from Gruadian articles & comments, in a terrible state & hazardous to health. [Post edited 12 Dec 2021 11:45]
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