| You got a new job Phil on 09:43 - Jun 18 with 2473 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| You got a new job Phil on 18:41 - Jun 17 by FevsBCFC |
Probably worth going back to reading my first ever post on here (just under two years ago)
Your fans asked the same question then. They asked for someone to come on here and tell them. I joined TWTD / took up the challenge, to try to give a balanced view. Churchman thinks I’m the spawn of Satan (I’ll live with that), but if you read most (not all) of my posts you’ll see I’m fairly balanced in my opinion.
You’ll also see I don’t blame Ashton for everything, he was part of a collective from the owner Lansdown, through Ashton to Lee Johnson (and then Dean Holden) that put our club in an awful position.
I’ve met Ashton a couple of times too, been in circles where he operates, so there’s some basis / foundation to my opinion.
Again, I’ve always quite liked Ipswich, I just don’t like the way Ashton operates on the pure football side of things. As an administrator, operating offer (COO) I have little to moan about. But he interfered on the pure football side too much and that caused us to end up with a weakened squad and huge losses.
Maybe he’s learned from his experiences at City, Oxford and Watford. If so, good luck to him.
Does this sound like the view of some one who dislikes Ashton just because it’s en vogue amongst City fans? It’s not, you’ll see above I even give him credit.
I totally get the “look at this bloke from another club coming on our forum giving it this and that”, we do the same on our forum. You wanna read some of the Barnsley fans coming on OTIB!
If you think I’m not being fair, that’s fine, happy to debate. I may even concede on things. |
Genuine question?
Does it not occur to BC fans that Ashton and his decisions are very much lead by owners desired directions?
I get the impression that Landsdowne has always been quite involved in the final decision making, he sanctions the moves, the wages etc.
Do you not think its possible that you have all demonised Ashton and ignored your owners role.
So far here, all I can see is that Ashton has fulfilled a clear brief from the owners and cuts the cloth according to that direction, there is constant communication between him and the ownership group. An ownership group that at least to now, seem very shrewed.
Is it not possible all your issues with Ashton should be directed in a different direction?
He negotiatied buying Webster from us for peanuts and then negotiated selling him to Brighton for what £15 millions....... |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 09:59 - Jun 18 with 2452 views | SitfcB |
Can’t believe that’s still going on.
What a strange, strange set of fans.
They’re so butthurt that they didn’t get promoted to the Premier League whilst Ashton was there and blame him, not sure why as they’re just a mid-table Championship team. We will finish above them next season
Ok he might’ve made some mistakes there but people learn from mistakes and take all their good and bad experiences along with them to other jobs and do things differently, our owners seem ruthless and I’m sure if he was doing wrong then he’d be told! Mike O’Leary is basically here to keep an eye on what he does. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 10:23 - Jun 18 with 2400 views | Churchman |
| You got a new job Phil on 09:59 - Jun 18 by SitfcB |
Can’t believe that’s still going on.
What a strange, strange set of fans.
They’re so butthurt that they didn’t get promoted to the Premier League whilst Ashton was there and blame him, not sure why as they’re just a mid-table Championship team. We will finish above them next season
Ok he might’ve made some mistakes there but people learn from mistakes and take all their good and bad experiences along with them to other jobs and do things differently, our owners seem ruthless and I’m sure if he was doing wrong then he’d be told! Mike O’Leary is basically here to keep an eye on what he does. |
They’re up to page 71 now. Awesome.
In terms of where MA sits in the great scheme of things financial, ketton_itfc neatly sums it up. You are right about our owners. Being Americans it’s delivery or you are out of the door.
In terms of a balanced view on Ashton’s time at ‘Premier League in waiting’ Bristol City, the Bristol Post gave opposing views on him in the attached two years ago.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-fans-mark-ashton-54765 |  | | |
| You got a new job Phil on 10:27 - Jun 18 with 2399 views | Guthrum |
| You got a new job Phil on 18:41 - Jun 17 by FevsBCFC |
Probably worth going back to reading my first ever post on here (just under two years ago)
Your fans asked the same question then. They asked for someone to come on here and tell them. I joined TWTD / took up the challenge, to try to give a balanced view. Churchman thinks I’m the spawn of Satan (I’ll live with that), but if you read most (not all) of my posts you’ll see I’m fairly balanced in my opinion.
You’ll also see I don’t blame Ashton for everything, he was part of a collective from the owner Lansdown, through Ashton to Lee Johnson (and then Dean Holden) that put our club in an awful position.
I’ve met Ashton a couple of times too, been in circles where he operates, so there’s some basis / foundation to my opinion.
Again, I’ve always quite liked Ipswich, I just don’t like the way Ashton operates on the pure football side of things. As an administrator, operating offer (COO) I have little to moan about. But he interfered on the pure football side too much and that caused us to end up with a weakened squad and huge losses.
Maybe he’s learned from his experiences at City, Oxford and Watford. If so, good luck to him.
Does this sound like the view of some one who dislikes Ashton just because it’s en vogue amongst City fans? It’s not, you’ll see above I even give him credit.
I totally get the “look at this bloke from another club coming on our forum giving it this and that”, we do the same on our forum. You wanna read some of the Barnsley fans coming on OTIB!
If you think I’m not being fair, that’s fine, happy to debate. I may even concede on things. |
What was so 'terrible' about the situation you were in?
City had consolidated after returning from a brief stint in League 1. You were generally mid table-ish in the Champ. There was no admin, points deductions or transfer embargoes. You'd hired a decent manager in Pearson.
Yes, there was a bit of a hiccup in the Covid-affected 2020-21 season. But you still finished well clear of relegation in terms of points (being closer to Blackburn in 15th than Wycombe in 22nd). You only appear to have sold one key player (Eliasson) and, until things went wrong in the December, you were doing pretty well.
I don't understand why Ashton is considered to have been such a great disaster. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 10:43 - Jun 18 with 2369 views | bobbyramsey |
Only 68 pages to go……. |  | | |
| You got a new job Phil on 10:51 - Jun 18 with 2359 views | Mullet |
| You got a new job Phil on 10:27 - Jun 18 by Guthrum |
What was so 'terrible' about the situation you were in?
City had consolidated after returning from a brief stint in League 1. You were generally mid table-ish in the Champ. There was no admin, points deductions or transfer embargoes. You'd hired a decent manager in Pearson.
Yes, there was a bit of a hiccup in the Covid-affected 2020-21 season. But you still finished well clear of relegation in terms of points (being closer to Blackburn in 15th than Wycombe in 22nd). You only appear to have sold one key player (Eliasson) and, until things went wrong in the December, you were doing pretty well.
I don't understand why Ashton is considered to have been such a great disaster. |
Good luck getting an answer, he dodged that almost immediately. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 11:02 - Jun 18 with 2351 views | tractorboy1978 |
| You got a new job Phil on 18:41 - Jun 17 by FevsBCFC |
Probably worth going back to reading my first ever post on here (just under two years ago)
Your fans asked the same question then. They asked for someone to come on here and tell them. I joined TWTD / took up the challenge, to try to give a balanced view. Churchman thinks I’m the spawn of Satan (I’ll live with that), but if you read most (not all) of my posts you’ll see I’m fairly balanced in my opinion.
You’ll also see I don’t blame Ashton for everything, he was part of a collective from the owner Lansdown, through Ashton to Lee Johnson (and then Dean Holden) that put our club in an awful position.
I’ve met Ashton a couple of times too, been in circles where he operates, so there’s some basis / foundation to my opinion.
Again, I’ve always quite liked Ipswich, I just don’t like the way Ashton operates on the pure football side of things. As an administrator, operating offer (COO) I have little to moan about. But he interfered on the pure football side too much and that caused us to end up with a weakened squad and huge losses.
Maybe he’s learned from his experiences at City, Oxford and Watford. If so, good luck to him.
Does this sound like the view of some one who dislikes Ashton just because it’s en vogue amongst City fans? It’s not, you’ll see above I even give him credit.
I totally get the “look at this bloke from another club coming on our forum giving it this and that”, we do the same on our forum. You wanna read some of the Barnsley fans coming on OTIB!
If you think I’m not being fair, that’s fine, happy to debate. I may even concede on things. |
You'd like to see Ashton fail though? At least have the honesty to say that. There are numerous examples on that 70 pager of you going back onto OTIB to 'whip it up' from bits posted on here.
FWIW, I am not one of those that proposes MA is the best thing since sliced bread and that he will never do anything wrong. But he's been virtually spot on in all respects for us so far and as football fans we have to enjoy the huge improvements in our club on and off the pitch. We can only judge him on his actions here.
Ultimately, we are going to spend decent money this summer and gamble on getting promoted whilst we still have the best young manager and player developer outside the PL. I'm fully aware of the intricacies of FFP. No recruitment is 100% foolproof and not all signings are going to work but we need to hope that our 'high ticket' signings pay off and succeed. [Post edited 18 Jun 2023 12:47]
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| You got a new job Phil on 11:10 - Jun 18 with 2333 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| You got a new job Phil on 09:43 - Jun 18 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Genuine question?
Does it not occur to BC fans that Ashton and his decisions are very much lead by owners desired directions?
I get the impression that Landsdowne has always been quite involved in the final decision making, he sanctions the moves, the wages etc.
Do you not think its possible that you have all demonised Ashton and ignored your owners role.
So far here, all I can see is that Ashton has fulfilled a clear brief from the owners and cuts the cloth according to that direction, there is constant communication between him and the ownership group. An ownership group that at least to now, seem very shrewed.
Is it not possible all your issues with Ashton should be directed in a different direction?
He negotiatied buying Webster from us for peanuts and then negotiated selling him to Brighton for what £15 millions....... |
"Do you not think its possible that you have all demonised Ashton and ignored your owners role."
This.
They seem to love their owner (as he's put in a lot of money) so they don't want to blame him for anything. Which just leaves Ashton. Absolutely shines through, that. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 11:15 - Jun 18 with 2332 views | Guthrum |
| You got a new job Phil on 10:51 - Jun 18 by Mullet |
Good luck getting an answer, he dodged that almost immediately. |
I did actually go back and read his original post. The main thrust seems to be that spending increased significantly. Bristol hardly alone in that among Champ clubs over that period and not as ruinous as several others (c.f. Derby). For that matter, us going for a purportedly more "sustainable" (but still loss-making) model only resulted in decline and relegation.
Also that Ashton was too involved in transfers, selling old players and buying lots of new ones for his own enjoyment. Which, if he was allowed to do that, shows a shocking lack of oversight from above at the club. And would have required collusion from the Manager, at the very least not to protest. | |
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| You got a new job Phil on 13:38 - Jun 18 with 2214 views | Guthrum |
| You got a new job Phil on 21:27 - Jun 17 by Coastalblue |
I think a big part of the problem is that we came from such a low place that any CEO was going to be a massive upgrade, one who'd worked in football before even more so. But to be fair to Ashton, reading that thread it's like he's pushing himself forward as the face of the club, in reality we don't actually hear than much from him.
So far, and I'll concede this may change over time, he barely seems to have put a foot wrong. We do seem lucky to have one of the brighter young Managers in this country (who I'm certain would be gone if there were any interference from Ashton) and after the early on inevitable scatter gun in the tranfer market, including one or two that admittedly looked like Ashton signings, he seems very much to have gone out and delivered what the manager asked for.
It is very possible he has learnt from past experiences and amended his ways, or is now in a role where his job is much more defined and narrow. I think we all laugh at his David Brentisms at times, even here, but if it gets us what we want then we'll forgive.
I actually love Brizzle as a place and think it's high time the City should have a side that's dining at the top table, it seems incredible you've never had that, and would love to see you come up with us, genuinely. |
Even hearing frequently from Ashton is an improvement over the previous situation, when Evans would put out a statement once in a blue moon. I'm not as critical of Milne and Clegg as others, but they certainly weren't speaking from a position of real executive authority, as Ashton is. | |
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| You got a new job Phil on 14:42 - Jun 18 with 2160 views | Vegtablue |
| You got a new job Phil on 17:00 - Jun 17 by J2BLUE |
How did you end up on there?
It's embarrassing that they keep this up. It's embarrassing for them that they think they are our equal and trying to create some sort of rivalry. They are a nothing club. They shouldn't be on our radar. Ashton jumped at the chance to drop down a division to join us. No wonder they are still upset. |
Two prime reasons must be checking up on this thread or checking for comments on the Jack Taylor links. Reckon the average Jane puts overall time spent on forums ahead of number visited in the oddball activity stakes tbf 😂 | | | |
| You got a new job Phil on 17:12 - Jun 18 with 1993 views | Pique |
| You got a new job Phil on 10:27 - Jun 18 by Guthrum |
What was so 'terrible' about the situation you were in?
City had consolidated after returning from a brief stint in League 1. You were generally mid table-ish in the Champ. There was no admin, points deductions or transfer embargoes. You'd hired a decent manager in Pearson.
Yes, there was a bit of a hiccup in the Covid-affected 2020-21 season. But you still finished well clear of relegation in terms of points (being closer to Blackburn in 15th than Wycombe in 22nd). You only appear to have sold one key player (Eliasson) and, until things went wrong in the December, you were doing pretty well.
I don't understand why Ashton is considered to have been such a great disaster. |
This is the post that absolutely gets to the heart of it. So many Bristol City fans seem to be convinced that Ashton 'ruined' their club, but never seem able to explain what that actually means.
What's that disorder where perfectly ordinary looking people are convinced they're ugly - is it body dysmorphic disorder? It's like they've got some weird football version of that. They seem to look in the mirror and convince themselves that Ashton left their football club a smoking ruin, when in actual fact he left them a perfectly adequate Championship club with better infrastructure.
It's so weird. |  | | |
| You got a new job Phil on 22:04 - Jun 19 with 1748 views | FevsBCFC |
| You got a new job Phil on 17:12 - Jun 18 by Pique |
This is the post that absolutely gets to the heart of it. So many Bristol City fans seem to be convinced that Ashton 'ruined' their club, but never seem able to explain what that actually means.
What's that disorder where perfectly ordinary looking people are convinced they're ugly - is it body dysmorphic disorder? It's like they've got some weird football version of that. They seem to look in the mirror and convince themselves that Ashton left their football club a smoking ruin, when in actual fact he left them a perfectly adequate Championship club with better infrastructure.
It's so weird. |
If you read my posts on here or OTIB, I explain exactly why. You’ll also note I don’t blame him solely, but as a collective from owner (Lansdown) > Ashton > Johnson.
We have some muppets on our forum, you probably think I’m one of them, but I’ll give you my rationale why.
Anyway, I guess I’ve had my say about Ashton. I’ll try to refrain from dragging myself into the argument any further, and concentrate on my usual MO of Championship football.
Good luck for the season |  | | |
| You got a new job Phil on 22:13 - Jun 19 with 1727 views | wkj |
| You got a new job Phil on 22:04 - Jun 19 by FevsBCFC |
If you read my posts on here or OTIB, I explain exactly why. You’ll also note I don’t blame him solely, but as a collective from owner (Lansdown) > Ashton > Johnson.
We have some muppets on our forum, you probably think I’m one of them, but I’ll give you my rationale why.
Anyway, I guess I’ve had my say about Ashton. I’ll try to refrain from dragging myself into the argument any further, and concentrate on my usual MO of Championship football.
Good luck for the season |
And no doubt you will keep having your say on Ashton for every post that lights up the "Robin Phone".
Even if there is an Ashton related drama for town in the future, it will be no "I told you so" moment. Given how silent the club was under Evans, we needed someone with a bit of flamboyancy and excitement at the helm, and he's done his job perfectly fine so far. Sorry to break it to you, but whatever went wrong with Ashton at Bristol seems like it could have been a microchasm of greater things that rained down on Ashton, crap owners maybe?
FWIW I do think that Ashton is a bit of a wally, but so far he seems to be doing the right things at the right times. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 22:39 - Jun 19 with 1691 views | unstableblue |
| You got a new job Phil on 18:41 - Jun 17 by FevsBCFC |
Probably worth going back to reading my first ever post on here (just under two years ago)
Your fans asked the same question then. They asked for someone to come on here and tell them. I joined TWTD / took up the challenge, to try to give a balanced view. Churchman thinks I’m the spawn of Satan (I’ll live with that), but if you read most (not all) of my posts you’ll see I’m fairly balanced in my opinion.
You’ll also see I don’t blame Ashton for everything, he was part of a collective from the owner Lansdown, through Ashton to Lee Johnson (and then Dean Holden) that put our club in an awful position.
I’ve met Ashton a couple of times too, been in circles where he operates, so there’s some basis / foundation to my opinion.
Again, I’ve always quite liked Ipswich, I just don’t like the way Ashton operates on the pure football side of things. As an administrator, operating offer (COO) I have little to moan about. But he interfered on the pure football side too much and that caused us to end up with a weakened squad and huge losses.
Maybe he’s learned from his experiences at City, Oxford and Watford. If so, good luck to him.
Does this sound like the view of some one who dislikes Ashton just because it’s en vogue amongst City fans? It’s not, you’ll see above I even give him credit.
I totally get the “look at this bloke from another club coming on our forum giving it this and that”, we do the same on our forum. You wanna read some of the Barnsley fans coming on OTIB!
If you think I’m not being fair, that’s fine, happy to debate. I may even concede on things. |
I used to live in Bristol, and go to Ashton Gate! So have an affinity with Bristol City and it’s fan base. Although I’m afraid to say I used to enjoy watching Rovers a bit more! Sorry.
When Ashton was appointed I was a bit of a lone voice on TWTD conveying the massive concerns of City fans over this CEO!
For me there is no smoke without fire… and the negative opinion of Ashton from 99% of Bristol fans, felt to me as very damning.
So I’ve watched his progress with real trepidation.
But I’ve been very pleasantly surprised. I work sometimes in management consultancy and whilst I get the David Brent references I actually do think Mark Ashton gets alignment and the essential common vision, purpose and objectives - which of these elements are right any organisation can succeed with the right people.
As I said the environment he is working is very different - it’s not just a wealthy owner giving him free reign. He has a chairman with UK football pedigree giving oversight and guidance. He has an ownership group of 3 business and football savvy Americans (Phoenix rising, galatasray links) and crucially two money men from the ultimate owners and funding mechanism scrutinising. I’m not sure they’re going to allow financial mispractice in a background of FFP.
This is sooooo different to the Ashton Gate set-up.
Also people who you decried as massive failures at City are succeeding in Suffolk, take Rolls. One of your biggest gripes with he and Ashton was the continuous injury crisis. Well we’ve had the complete opposite, good fitness and players returning earlier than expected from bad knocks.
The player trading and mass squad refresh is another area of derision from OTIB… but I think we feel the player transfer and movement have been good… Clarke, Broadhead, Lunongo we’re quality additions… we’ve moved on players for fees who didn’t work out.
And of course most critically of all, Ashton seemed to have a mare managerial appointments, but he’s pulled off an absolute masterstroke with McKenna… he’s the absolute business, the real deal
Of course we should remain a bit cautious on McKenna… but isn’t it a case of sour grapes and different environments?! |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 08:56 - Jun 20 with 1579 views | itfcjoe |
| You got a new job Phil on 09:43 - Jun 18 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Genuine question?
Does it not occur to BC fans that Ashton and his decisions are very much lead by owners desired directions?
I get the impression that Landsdowne has always been quite involved in the final decision making, he sanctions the moves, the wages etc.
Do you not think its possible that you have all demonised Ashton and ignored your owners role.
So far here, all I can see is that Ashton has fulfilled a clear brief from the owners and cuts the cloth according to that direction, there is constant communication between him and the ownership group. An ownership group that at least to now, seem very shrewed.
Is it not possible all your issues with Ashton should be directed in a different direction?
He negotiatied buying Webster from us for peanuts and then negotiated selling him to Brighton for what £15 millions....... |
There is also the element when they talk about the 'mess' that bristol City were left in by him that totally forgets that the absolute backside of the market fell out due to a little thing called the Covid pandemic - when they rely on trading and the market dies overnight because some Chinese scientists make the biggest error in humankind and then see it covered up then that makes a massive difference.
Ashton was working for Lansdown, but when you read through that thread you assume it was the other way round (except for anything good that has happened which couldn't have been MA).
Fevs can post here that he is well balanced, but when talking about brown envelopes, agent commission being paid direct to him etc, then I'd like to strongly disagree.
Some of the points are well made, and clearly well researched, but there is an Ashton red mist that hangs over them and that clearly distorts the points that just end up showing confirmation bias.
Ashton was CEO there for a long time, the owner was obviously happy with him, so he was clearly doing what was required in his role - whether the fans like that or not. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 09:06 - Jun 20 with 1552 views | hype313 |
| You got a new job Phil on 08:56 - Jun 20 by itfcjoe |
There is also the element when they talk about the 'mess' that bristol City were left in by him that totally forgets that the absolute backside of the market fell out due to a little thing called the Covid pandemic - when they rely on trading and the market dies overnight because some Chinese scientists make the biggest error in humankind and then see it covered up then that makes a massive difference.
Ashton was working for Lansdown, but when you read through that thread you assume it was the other way round (except for anything good that has happened which couldn't have been MA).
Fevs can post here that he is well balanced, but when talking about brown envelopes, agent commission being paid direct to him etc, then I'd like to strongly disagree.
Some of the points are well made, and clearly well researched, but there is an Ashton red mist that hangs over them and that clearly distorts the points that just end up showing confirmation bias.
Ashton was CEO there for a long time, the owner was obviously happy with him, so he was clearly doing what was required in his role - whether the fans like that or not. |
"Ashton was working for Lansdown, but when you read through that thread you assume it was the other way round (except for anything good that has happened which couldn't have been MA)."
Similarities with Wednesday fans and Moore, when they were on an unbeaten run, it was all down to the players, when results went awry, it was all Moore's fault.
Some fans just can't look past their own prejudices, regardless of the situation.
As you say and Guthers, Covid ruined football for a lot of clubs and certain fans use that as a ruse to beat senior management with.
FWIW I can see the similarities with Ashton and Brent, the whole corporate jargon is a bit excessive and humorous in parts, but we have serious owners who won't put up with soundbites, so far Ashton has been on point and can't fault him so far. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 09:07 - Jun 20 with 1552 views | itfcjoe |
| You got a new job Phil on 22:04 - Jun 19 by FevsBCFC |
If you read my posts on here or OTIB, I explain exactly why. You’ll also note I don’t blame him solely, but as a collective from owner (Lansdown) > Ashton > Johnson.
We have some muppets on our forum, you probably think I’m one of them, but I’ll give you my rationale why.
Anyway, I guess I’ve had my say about Ashton. I’ll try to refrain from dragging myself into the argument any further, and concentrate on my usual MO of Championship football.
Good luck for the season |
But I think you need to be looking closer to home for the biggest issue which is Lansdown - we had Marcus Evans as owner who was incredibly wealthy and put an incredible amount of money into the club but didn't allow or instruct it to be spent correctly because he wanted overall say of things so we had sock puppet MDs and we needed sign off from an owner over ordering new toner for the photocopier
But in lansdown, he makes the incredibly wealthy Evans look like a pauper, and clearly wants to give something back to Bristol, but he wants his son involved, he is more interested in the legacy it seems to help the whole city (especially the rugby team) and he must target the spending on these sort of projects with MA or whoever now in charge just to try and keep the football side ticking over and earn him some prestige for his spending
We used to have a very good poster on here called HarryFromBath, and one of his mantras was 'Owners Relegate Clubs', might be something worth pondering - CEOs, managers and the like are just putting out the owners vision.....if Lansdown with all his wealth can't get Bristol City to the Premier League then it is a folly for the fanbase to spend so much mental bandwidth blaming someone else - the fact that Ashton still wasn't sacked, and would likely still be there, had he not come here shows you where the issue is. | |
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| You got a new job Phil on 09:39 - Jun 20 with 1512 views | nodge_blue |
That thread is unreal.
There's a guy saying Ashton lied about telling us our transfers were roughly net zero. He seems to confuse overall spend with transfers ins and outs but still makes a huge post about it all.
Ashton is good atm cos we all know where we were as a club and where we are. But he isn't given free rein on all this. He's governed by what the owners want to spend and commit to. If we get a bad run his stock would go down a bit. That's just football. But he's working hard at the club and largely doing a lot of stuff right. And that's winding Bristol fans up even more.
All a bit sad as Ive no beef with Bristol. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 09:50 - Jun 20 with 1483 views | portmanking |
What a bell end that Fevs is.
He comes on here saying he's a fan of the EFL, but seems to spend all of his time on OTIB digesting every single sentence that comes out of Ashton's mouth.
The harsh reality for Bristol fans is that Lansdown was prepared to spunk a load of money, Ashton does the deals and is Lansdown's fall guy. The success wasn't forthcoming. Lansdown moves to a more sustainable model for FFP reasons and Ashton is made out to look like the bad guy. In reality, Lansdown was no different to Evans in throwing money at it in the hope of the Premier League dream.
City didn't have access to the best young manager in the country either.
It's all sour grapes and, frankly, you should stop frequenting our forum and focus on your own club. We don't need your opinion on our club, thanks. Carry on building your dossier on Ashton and ITFC over on OTIB. Or, better still, get a job. | | | |
| You got a new job Phil on 09:52 - Jun 20 with 1479 views | BiGDonnie |
That whole thread smacks of jealousy.
Ol Dom69 has em on strings though, nicely done.
They've got a lot to say for a club who have won exactly nothing. |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 09:53 - Jun 20 with 1477 views | Hipsterectomy |
What I find strange is them saying “ask yourself why he’s always using the same agents?” as if that proves anything untoward. Surely in football, any business really, you want to deal with people who understand you, work well with you and you have a good relationship with. If you’ve worked well with people and they are happy to help you out why would you purposefully ignore them |  |
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| You got a new job Phil on 10:09 - Jun 20 with 1428 views | itfcjoe |
| You got a new job Phil on 09:53 - Jun 20 by Hipsterectomy |
What I find strange is them saying “ask yourself why he’s always using the same agents?” as if that proves anything untoward. Surely in football, any business really, you want to deal with people who understand you, work well with you and you have a good relationship with. If you’ve worked well with people and they are happy to help you out why would you purposefully ignore them |
He does seemingly get a lot of Stellar and Wasserman clients, but that is because they are the biggest agencies and have the most players
But then you look at last seasons transfers
Leif Davis - Autograph Sports Management
Marcus Harness - Momentum Sports Management
Pan Camara - New Era Global
Mass Luongo - Elite Management Agency
Freddie Ladapo - Full Contact
Dominic Ball - NEO
Greg Leigh - Wasserman
TJJ - Unknown
Richard Keogh - Emimel Sports International
Gassan Ahadme - Goal Management
Harry Clarke - CAA Stellar
Nathan Broadhead - Sportsstar Promotions
George Hirst - KIN Partners
Joel Coleman - Unknown
So 14 players, 12 unique agencies and 2 unknowns. That's just a smeary lie then.
"Look how much you spend on agents"
We were the biggest spenders in league, 3 players signed for over £1m, some higher profile free agents signed from what were Champ clubs in Ball and Ladapo......of course we are going to spend more than anyone, we spent more than everyone on everything in reality in League 1 | |
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| You got a new job Phil on 10:11 - Jun 20 with 1408 views | the_toff |
My favourite is 'as you know I post on TWTD'.
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| You got a new job Phil on 10:16 - Jun 20 with 1377 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
They haven't got everything wrong tbf to them, Ashton is very Brent esque. Some of the one liners he comes out with are exceptional.
I didn't like him running on the pitch at Lincoln either that was very strange behaviour
Ashton has done well so far and I think Bristol City fans need to realise it would be weird for us to not like a guy who hasn't yet done anything wrong. But things change fast in football and we could end up getting relegated and then everything turns to sh1t, I hope not. But for now, we are all pretty happy and that's the main thing. |  |
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