| Dane Scarlett 10:38 - Aug 31 with 31609 views | SitfcB |
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:28 - Aug 31 with 2505 views | Mullet |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:27 - Aug 31 by Brads |
I think McKenna’s previous comments need to be taken in context though. At the time Cowley was playing the underdog and KMc was countering that by pointing out that they’ve got similar Champ experience + DS, so was bigging up the Pompey squad.
Undoubtedly a talented footballer as come through at Spurs but Ashton was talking about bringing in players to improve the first 11 now. I’d be surprised if he does that straight away. He doesn’t look in the best condition in his signing photos so may need time etc.
As for McKenna wanting him, agree that we can trust his judgement but again, context. We don’t really know how much he wanted him and for what role etc (was he always wanted but as third striker to complement Hirst and Simms or whoever)? KMc’s hardly gonna say he wants him out of the options left available and he was 23rd on the list (not saying he is, but no idea).
Time will tell. Hopefully turns out to be a great addition but can understand some feeling a little underwhelmed given the previous quotes from club on transfers. |
"he doesn't look in the best condition"?!?!
He played for Spurs t'other night. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:29 - Aug 31 with 2483 views | StokieBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:28 - Aug 31 by Mullet |
"he doesn't look in the best condition"?!?!
He played for Spurs t'other night. |
His post is the epitome of looking for things to complain about.
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:33 - Aug 31 with 2456 views | SheffordBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:29 - Aug 31 by StokieBlue |
His post is the epitome of looking for things to complain about.
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Nailed on to score a brace off the bench now! |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:41 - Aug 31 with 2428 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:27 - Aug 31 by Brads |
I think McKenna’s previous comments need to be taken in context though. At the time Cowley was playing the underdog and KMc was countering that by pointing out that they’ve got similar Champ experience + DS, so was bigging up the Pompey squad.
Undoubtedly a talented footballer as come through at Spurs but Ashton was talking about bringing in players to improve the first 11 now. I’d be surprised if he does that straight away. He doesn’t look in the best condition in his signing photos so may need time etc.
As for McKenna wanting him, agree that we can trust his judgement but again, context. We don’t really know how much he wanted him and for what role etc (was he always wanted but as third striker to complement Hirst and Simms or whoever)? KMc’s hardly gonna say he wants him out of the options left available and he was 23rd on the list (not saying he is, but no idea).
Time will tell. Hopefully turns out to be a great addition but can understand some feeling a little underwhelmed given the previous quotes from club on transfers. |
"He doesn’t look in the best condition in his signing photos"
You think you've seen everything on TWTD and then a gem like this pops up. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:41 - Aug 31 with 2418 views | pointofblue |
| Dane Scarlett on 15:22 - Aug 31 by BlueStreak |
Who would you have signed instead? |
Think I said earlier in the thread, maybe Bishop or Collins. Though other people dismissed them as not good enough which is a fair enough take too. | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:43 - Aug 31 with 2399 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:27 - Aug 31 by Brads |
I think McKenna’s previous comments need to be taken in context though. At the time Cowley was playing the underdog and KMc was countering that by pointing out that they’ve got similar Champ experience + DS, so was bigging up the Pompey squad.
Undoubtedly a talented footballer as come through at Spurs but Ashton was talking about bringing in players to improve the first 11 now. I’d be surprised if he does that straight away. He doesn’t look in the best condition in his signing photos so may need time etc.
As for McKenna wanting him, agree that we can trust his judgement but again, context. We don’t really know how much he wanted him and for what role etc (was he always wanted but as third striker to complement Hirst and Simms or whoever)? KMc’s hardly gonna say he wants him out of the options left available and he was 23rd on the list (not saying he is, but no idea).
Time will tell. Hopefully turns out to be a great addition but can understand some feeling a little underwhelmed given the previous quotes from club on transfers. |
Was thinking the same. Looks a proper fat lad. Hopefully he lost some timber playing for Spurs the other night |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:45 - Aug 31 with 2375 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:28 - Aug 31 by Mullet |
"he doesn't look in the best condition"?!?!
He played for Spurs t'other night. |
Doesn’t need to be in perfect condition to play. Not talking about fitness. They used to get fined if over 10% body fat, it’ll be similar now, and he doesn’t look that from photos was all I noticed. Not saying I know for sure but unusual to see a little bit of a belly through shirt and bit under chin when they’re usually so lean that they almost look skinny in normal clothes. |  | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:50 - Aug 31 with 2322 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:29 - Aug 31 by StokieBlue |
His post is the epitome of looking for things to complain about.
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I wasn’t complaining at all. I’m open minded about the signing. Just don’t think we should have strong opinions on it either way yet without knowing the full context.
It’s being viewed as a main striker signing by fans. Wouldn’t surprise me if we always wanted him but as a third option to compliment Hirst and another similar type (E.g. a Simms), similar to TJJ’s role in team/squad. Jackson as wide option (KMc said he played as a wide forward v Leeds, not lone central striker). Then let Freddie go. | | | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 17:59 - Aug 31 with 2276 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:33 - Aug 31 by SheffordBlue |
Nailed on to score a brace off the bench now! |
I haven’t said that he’s not capable of that though.
People are just narrow minded on here sometimes. If you try to consider different possibilities and read between the lines but it doesn’t fit the single point of view cemented in another poster’s mind, then they don’t like it. I don’t know, but neither does anyone, that’s the point. It’s not as simple as it is in some people’s uninformed view. It’s also okay to disagree, no need to be rude (not aimed at poster replying to). | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 18:05 - Aug 31 with 2250 views | SheffordBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:59 - Aug 31 by Brads |
I haven’t said that he’s not capable of that though.
People are just narrow minded on here sometimes. If you try to consider different possibilities and read between the lines but it doesn’t fit the single point of view cemented in another poster’s mind, then they don’t like it. I don’t know, but neither does anyone, that’s the point. It’s not as simple as it is in some people’s uninformed view. It’s also okay to disagree, no need to be rude (not aimed at poster replying to). |
Wasn't a dig at you and your points about reading too much into things others have said is very true.
It was more about the 'reverse jinxing' that seems to happen to a lot of posts on here! | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 18:07 - Aug 31 with 2240 views | Mullet |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:45 - Aug 31 by Brads |
Doesn’t need to be in perfect condition to play. Not talking about fitness. They used to get fined if over 10% body fat, it’ll be similar now, and he doesn’t look that from photos was all I noticed. Not saying I know for sure but unusual to see a little bit of a belly through shirt and bit under chin when they’re usually so lean that they almost look skinny in normal clothes. |
10% are you sure? Hurst and Doig's pants test was whether players had gained weight wasn't it?
That's like Men's Health cover/bodybuilding show levels of BF% I'd say the very elite like Ronaldo might be sub 10% but anything below 20% is going to be within range depending on position and genetics, injury status etc.
Can't see a noticeable comparison with him in action against us here
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| Dane Scarlett on 18:17 - Aug 31 with 2181 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 18:05 - Aug 31 by SheffordBlue |
Wasn't a dig at you and your points about reading too much into things others have said is very true.
It was more about the 'reverse jinxing' that seems to happen to a lot of posts on here! |
No worries, was just replying to each post as it was taken by some as a critical post from me when it wasn’t. Some people seem to pick bits out and deliberately misrepresent what’s been said in order to scoff at it rather than add to the discussion with comments containing any substance. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 18:43 - Aug 31 with 2134 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 18:07 - Aug 31 by Mullet |
10% are you sure? Hurst and Doig's pants test was whether players had gained weight wasn't it?
That's like Men's Health cover/bodybuilding show levels of BF% I'd say the very elite like Ronaldo might be sub 10% but anything below 20% is going to be within range depending on position and genetics, injury status etc.
Can't see a noticeable comparison with him in action against us here
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When Tommy Smith was here, he said they got fined if above 10%. I think it’s around that for most in top few divisions at least as I was sent a study about it by someone in the industry when I queried it previously, in relation to something else. Can’t see many in our squad being near 20, if any. I didn’t say DS was fat anyway. Context again, we’re talking about finely tuned athletes. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 19:07 - Aug 31 with 2087 views | Herbivore |
| Dane Scarlett on 17:28 - Aug 31 by Mullet |
"he doesn't look in the best condition"?!?!
He played for Spurs t'other night. |
One of our very own banter boys made a comment on Twitter asking whether Scarlett was pregnant. Not a great look to body shame our new signing.
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| Dane Scarlett on 19:15 - Aug 31 with 2042 views | jontysnut |
| Dane Scarlett on 19:07 - Aug 31 by Herbivore |
One of our very own banter boys made a comment on Twitter asking whether Scarlett was pregnant. Not a great look to body shame our new signing.
#BeKind |
As gene Pitney put it
Changing the grey and changing the blue
Scarlet for me and scarlet for you |  | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 19:45 - Aug 31 with 1951 views | Mullet |
| Dane Scarlett on 18:43 - Aug 31 by Brads |
When Tommy Smith was here, he said they got fined if above 10%. I think it’s around that for most in top few divisions at least as I was sent a study about it by someone in the industry when I queried it previously, in relation to something else. Can’t see many in our squad being near 20, if any. I didn’t say DS was fat anyway. Context again, we’re talking about finely tuned athletes. |
We're drifting here a little, but my point was more that Hurst and Doig's utter disaster wasn't the bench mark to measure anything by, especially given this regime has expanded sports science massively.
I was just giving the range for pro footballers depending on factors I listed, plus things like pre-season and the idea you'd not personalise targets, measure them and set a plan to get there was indicative of why Hurst was so clueless.
If you google what 10% looks like then always being under it would mean they're fining everyone and not getting them to optimal performance given the demands of the sport etc. Without more details it's hard to judge that claim here.
You said he didn't look in shape and are talking about bodyfat %s and finely tuned athletes. Forgive me for being a bit lost here then with the context. | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 19:59 - Aug 31 with 1919 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 19:07 - Aug 31 by Herbivore |
One of our very own banter boys made a comment on Twitter asking whether Scarlett was pregnant. Not a great look to body shame our new signing.
#BeKind |
I doubt he bothers to read comments from trolls.
Raheem Sterling recently talked about weight gain possibly contributing to his injuries and loss of form last season. He said he changed his diet and added some different training to his programme as he wasn’t in his usual condition and was a bit heavier than he wanted.
Some of the earlier posters must think that’s beyond the realms of possibility and he was talking utter nonsense because he played for Chelsea though. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 20:38 - Aug 31 with 1840 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Dane Scarlett on 10:46 - Aug 31 by JakeITFC |
Hirst and him seemed quite likely from the outset for me - a player McKenna clearly rates and I expect him to get a tune out of him. |
Spurs are very high on him as well. |  | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 20:58 - Aug 31 with 1787 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 19:45 - Aug 31 by Mullet |
We're drifting here a little, but my point was more that Hurst and Doig's utter disaster wasn't the bench mark to measure anything by, especially given this regime has expanded sports science massively.
I was just giving the range for pro footballers depending on factors I listed, plus things like pre-season and the idea you'd not personalise targets, measure them and set a plan to get there was indicative of why Hurst was so clueless.
If you google what 10% looks like then always being under it would mean they're fining everyone and not getting them to optimal performance given the demands of the sport etc. Without more details it's hard to judge that claim here.
You said he didn't look in shape and are talking about bodyfat %s and finely tuned athletes. Forgive me for being a bit lost here then with the context. |
Not sure why you’re struggling to follow. My original post was on topic - considering whether DS is likely to improve the team immediately or not, as per Ashton’s previous comments etc. I didn’t claim to know the answer. You and a few other posters then chose to focus on one comment about his possible current condition (out of several paragraphs in my post) and I just responded to you.
I initially suggested that he MIGHT not be in ideal condition yet and MAY need a bit of time (to be at optimum level), just going on his photos. It seems that others picked up on it too, yet the possibility was scoffed at. I didn’t say that he couldn’t play due to fitness, wouldn’t score or was a bad signing, which was the way it was made out in the replies.
However, I qualified the condition comment slightly in response by saying that you wouldn’t usually see a bit of a belly through shirt and slight double chin when players are usually so lean that they almost look skinny when you see them in normal clothes. Especially at that age. Top footballers are usually around 10% body fat, your range of up to 20% isn’t typical. People dismissing it because he played for Spurs the other night doesn’t mean anything, see comments re Sterling.
Anyway, whatever. If he’s not at optimum now, I’m sure he will be very soon. | | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 21:19 - Aug 31 with 1713 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Dane Scarlett on 20:58 - Aug 31 by Brads |
Not sure why you’re struggling to follow. My original post was on topic - considering whether DS is likely to improve the team immediately or not, as per Ashton’s previous comments etc. I didn’t claim to know the answer. You and a few other posters then chose to focus on one comment about his possible current condition (out of several paragraphs in my post) and I just responded to you.
I initially suggested that he MIGHT not be in ideal condition yet and MAY need a bit of time (to be at optimum level), just going on his photos. It seems that others picked up on it too, yet the possibility was scoffed at. I didn’t say that he couldn’t play due to fitness, wouldn’t score or was a bad signing, which was the way it was made out in the replies.
However, I qualified the condition comment slightly in response by saying that you wouldn’t usually see a bit of a belly through shirt and slight double chin when players are usually so lean that they almost look skinny when you see them in normal clothes. Especially at that age. Top footballers are usually around 10% body fat, your range of up to 20% isn’t typical. People dismissing it because he played for Spurs the other night doesn’t mean anything, see comments re Sterling.
Anyway, whatever. If he’s not at optimum now, I’m sure he will be very soon. |
It could be the kit
I remember having this chat on here after one of the games where the likes of morsy looked quite big. Aluko and leigh too. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 21:36 - Aug 31 with 1650 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Dane Scarlett on 20:58 - Aug 31 by Brads |
Not sure why you’re struggling to follow. My original post was on topic - considering whether DS is likely to improve the team immediately or not, as per Ashton’s previous comments etc. I didn’t claim to know the answer. You and a few other posters then chose to focus on one comment about his possible current condition (out of several paragraphs in my post) and I just responded to you.
I initially suggested that he MIGHT not be in ideal condition yet and MAY need a bit of time (to be at optimum level), just going on his photos. It seems that others picked up on it too, yet the possibility was scoffed at. I didn’t say that he couldn’t play due to fitness, wouldn’t score or was a bad signing, which was the way it was made out in the replies.
However, I qualified the condition comment slightly in response by saying that you wouldn’t usually see a bit of a belly through shirt and slight double chin when players are usually so lean that they almost look skinny when you see them in normal clothes. Especially at that age. Top footballers are usually around 10% body fat, your range of up to 20% isn’t typical. People dismissing it because he played for Spurs the other night doesn’t mean anything, see comments re Sterling.
Anyway, whatever. If he’s not at optimum now, I’m sure he will be very soon. |
Can't speak for everyone but what rankled with me is the idea you could tell someone's fitness from a new signing photoshoot. | |
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| Dane Scarlett on 21:46 - Aug 31 with 1622 views | Brads |
| Dane Scarlett on 21:36 - Aug 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Can't speak for everyone but what rankled with me is the idea you could tell someone's fitness from a new signing photoshoot. |
The comment was about body composition/condition, not fitness in general. I didn’t claim to know absolutely either, as was made clear. The possible indications have been explained twice already. If you research it a bit more (the difference between 20% body fat and 10% etc), you’ll see what I meant.
Have read Harry Kane’s done this a few times over the years…
https://trainingground.guru/articles/spurs-players-in-serious-trouble-if-they-ad [Post edited 31 Aug 2023 21:59]
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| Dane Scarlett on 21:50 - Aug 31 with 1613 views | Vic |
| Dane Scarlett on 13:28 - Aug 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's clear from this thread that you don't FULLY trust his judgement. You can't just say that whilst simultaneously questioning it. Seems to me you're covering all your bases. |
I think it’s totally possible to both trust KMs judgement and not be bowled over by this loan. I think that’s where I am. I’m sure that in your job not everyone cheers your every decision from the rafters, but because you’re good at what you do they trust your judgement and go with your decision. |  |
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| Dane Scarlett on 22:30 - Aug 31 with 1510 views | Churchman |
| Dane Scarlett on 21:36 - Aug 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Can't speak for everyone but what rankled with me is the idea you could tell someone's fitness from a new signing photoshoot. |
I think the idea is to write the bloke off as a waster before he’s kicked a ball for us. Similar to writing Williams off after a game and a bit because of an og and a roasting off a multi million pound player when exposed cold.
What underpins all this wailing and teeth gnashing is the disappointment that we’ve not signed £30m of PL players this summer and replaced our entire L1 rubbish team. I mean, that’s what you do with your fantasy football team isn’t it?
Burgess was written off before the season by one poster. Hirst was deemed a poor signing in January because his loan at Blackburn was poor. Humphreys and Baggott - not good enough send them on loan etc etc. bring in better. How hard can it be?
We failed to land Simms, Messi, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub? Did we? Have the club said this? Or is it just talk, rumour and agent nonsense? What’s the evidence?
People are of course entitled to their views. It’s what the forum is for, but we do seem to have a high percentage of unhappy people on here and I’m struggling to see why. |  | | |
| Dane Scarlett on 22:40 - Aug 31 with 1469 views | WeWereZombies |
| Dane Scarlett on 22:30 - Aug 31 by Churchman |
I think the idea is to write the bloke off as a waster before he’s kicked a ball for us. Similar to writing Williams off after a game and a bit because of an og and a roasting off a multi million pound player when exposed cold.
What underpins all this wailing and teeth gnashing is the disappointment that we’ve not signed £30m of PL players this summer and replaced our entire L1 rubbish team. I mean, that’s what you do with your fantasy football team isn’t it?
Burgess was written off before the season by one poster. Hirst was deemed a poor signing in January because his loan at Blackburn was poor. Humphreys and Baggott - not good enough send them on loan etc etc. bring in better. How hard can it be?
We failed to land Simms, Messi, Cuthbert, Dibble and Grub? Did we? Have the club said this? Or is it just talk, rumour and agent nonsense? What’s the evidence?
People are of course entitled to their views. It’s what the forum is for, but we do seem to have a high percentage of unhappy people on here and I’m struggling to see why. |
From Phil's story on 6th July:
'Blues target Ellis Simms is close to joining Coventry City from Everton, according to widespread reports.
The 22-year-old was understood to be interesting a number of Championship clubs, including the Blues, former loan club Sunderland, Bristol City, Middlesbrough, Blackburn, Swansea and Stoke City.'
I think the question of our interest was put directly to Ashton at a press conference and not denied but I am not going on an extended to trawl to find the link right now. My guess is that we were very interested when the total fee was three million and our interest cooled rapidly as the price escalated towards eight. He would have been the signing of the summer for us in my opinion but I also like that we held to financial probity and walked away from such an expensive deal. And he isn't pulling up trees for Coventry at the moment. |  |
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