| Have the forum. 16:54 - Feb 11 with 29678 views | FrimleyBlue |
Thanks for twtd for the tweet however I've had threats against my family so that's me done.
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| Have the forum. on 17:34 - Feb 12 with 3894 views | NeedhamChris |
| Have the forum. on 17:21 - Feb 12 by nodge_blue |
There are fine lines. I read the twitter post and it wasn't abusive. But its was unnecessary and what was it ever going to achieve? Burns is hardly likely to go oh yeah Frimmers is right I had better realise its the business end of the season and press my magic its the end of the season booster button.
Players and managers need time and support. But neither is limitless. Look at the Sheff Wed owner. Im sure he has had a shed load of abuse. But sometimes fans vent at poorly run football clubs and their owners. What else can they do? And I think letting feelings be known is absolutely fair enough. But it has to not cross lines of decency / family members etc.
We were all booing the referee on Saturday. He was probably quite upset about that too. Im sure his family wouldn't have liked that if they were there. (actually I had a half uncle who had death threats off Man Utd fans for sending off George Best).
Clearly death threats are another thing, which I wrote as an aside. But my point is we cant sanitise football entirely or we might as well stop playing sport. |
It wasn't Frimmers who sent the message - and you're demonstrating exactly why it was (in my view) a bit ridiculous to combine the two in David's tweet as some people have just lumped them together even though it's fairly clear they're seperate. |  |
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| Have the forum. on 17:40 - Feb 12 with 3850 views | N2_Blue |
| Have the forum. on 17:24 - Feb 12 by pointofblue |
I agree, which is why I'm uncomfortable about Phil deleting FB's account. Additionally, I don't think it was him who sent the message directly to Burns on social media? |
I don't know why so many people are unsure about this.
Frimley did not post anything directly to Wes on Twitter. There is absolute no doubt about that. FB was mentioned in a post by Wes Burn's father in response to someone else that had commented directly to Burns on Twitter.
That said FB was deliberatively provovative and i don't think he can have any surprise he has been banned as i don't think it was this episode alone. It had been coming for a long time but he never changed tact or every apologised despite numerous posters trying to help him. I did for about a year when he returned from being Chris Makin but then gave up. It was a waste of time. |  |
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| Have the forum. on 17:44 - Feb 12 with 3834 views | nodge_blue |
| Have the forum. on 17:34 - Feb 12 by NeedhamChris |
It wasn't Frimmers who sent the message - and you're demonstrating exactly why it was (in my view) a bit ridiculous to combine the two in David's tweet as some people have just lumped them together even though it's fairly clear they're seperate. |
Ok.
I think i got away from my original main point, which is I have an opinion on the qualities of KJ and as long as that doesn't cross lines of decency I will continue to have them. |  |
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| Have the forum. on 17:49 - Feb 12 with 3798 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Have the forum. on 17:19 - Feb 12 by RobTheMonk |
This tweet has left a sour taste in my mouth too. This DM to Wes was unrelated to Frimmers but has got thrown in with Frimmers’ opinion on Burns’ performance on the pitch.
I never had an issue with his posts. I’d either ignore his or comment, generally disagreeing, sometimes agreeing.
Feels very thought police to me (fully expecting downvotes, but heyho). [Post edited 12 Feb 2024 17:27]
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I don't know why people are rushing to defend Frimmers instead of Burns' father. Surely we want our players to be in the best frame of mind, for obvious reasons, so anything that bothers any of their family should be off limits. If one person takes a break from a football messageboard (I'm sure he'll be back) then it's not really much of a problem is it? |  |
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| Have the forum. on 18:05 - Feb 12 with 3738 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Have the forum. on 16:35 - Feb 12 by Ryorry |
I think you're overlooking the difference between the sheer volume of Frimmers' stuff, which was a relentless outpouring over a incredibly long time; and criticisms of other players or managers which were *comparatively* less frequent over a shorter timespan. |
The problem with Frimmers was that criticism came regardless of how Burns seemed to play or what he did in the game. It was relentless.
Many posters tried to reason but it was like a fixation and the more people tried to point out anything good the more he was determined to double down. This was the case with every conversation, at no point is he willing or able to see anyone else's POV.
We're all entitled to opinion but relentless and repeated regurgitation of the same point regardless of how Wes played wasn't fair. Esp when it's followed by victim playing, not saying he hasn't now been threatened but would regularly then ask why everyone was picking on hom when (mostly) they weren't The ideal would be he just learns to tone it down but he won't. [Post edited 12 Feb 2024 19:49]
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| Have the forum. on 18:06 - Feb 12 with 3735 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Have the forum. on 17:49 - Feb 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know why people are rushing to defend Frimmers instead of Burns' father. Surely we want our players to be in the best frame of mind, for obvious reasons, so anything that bothers any of their family should be off limits. If one person takes a break from a football messageboard (I'm sure he'll be back) then it's not really much of a problem is it? |
Phil has deleted his profile and this was already an open reincarnation of his Makin one. I am not certain he will be back. |  |
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| Have the forum. on 18:09 - Feb 12 with 3729 views | charlie1 |
Quick question as I haven’t read all of the 6 pages and 120+ comments, but is anybody able to corroborate that Frimmers family have received threats?
Genuine question as this is clearly a very serious anllegation, and for Frimmers to quit the forum the inference is that the threats have come from another board member.
At present it seems that everyone is basing their responses to this on the single sentence posted by Frimmers before he departed, unless I’m missing something? | | | |
| Have the forum. on 18:12 - Feb 12 with 3703 views | Horsham |
| Have the forum. on 18:09 - Feb 12 by charlie1 |
Quick question as I haven’t read all of the 6 pages and 120+ comments, but is anybody able to corroborate that Frimmers family have received threats?
Genuine question as this is clearly a very serious anllegation, and for Frimmers to quit the forum the inference is that the threats have come from another board member.
At present it seems that everyone is basing their responses to this on the single sentence posted by Frimmers before he departed, unless I’m missing something? |
I have been wondering much the same. |  | | |
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| Have the forum. on 18:13 - Feb 12 with 3701 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Have the forum. on 18:09 - Feb 12 by charlie1 |
Quick question as I haven’t read all of the 6 pages and 120+ comments, but is anybody able to corroborate that Frimmers family have received threats?
Genuine question as this is clearly a very serious anllegation, and for Frimmers to quit the forum the inference is that the threats have come from another board member.
At present it seems that everyone is basing their responses to this on the single sentence posted by Frimmers before he departed, unless I’m missing something? |
He has been told that if he has he should report them to Phil and to the police. | |
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| Have the forum. on 18:27 - Feb 12 with 3629 views | charlie1 |
| Have the forum. on 18:13 - Feb 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He has been told that if he has he should report them to Phil and to the police. |
Agreed.
Until that happens the allegation is baseless.
Abraham Lincoln grabbed my bum when I was 4 years old but I don’t want anything done about it. | | | |
| Have the forum. on 18:42 - Feb 12 with 3601 views | Ryorry |
| Have the forum. on 16:43 - Feb 12 by Blueschev |
If it was my dad he'd be the one on here saying how crap I was! |
My Mum would have been agreeing with him if he'd said I was rubbish too! |  |
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| Have the forum. on 18:48 - Feb 12 with 3562 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Have the forum. on 18:27 - Feb 12 by charlie1 |
Agreed.
Until that happens the allegation is baseless.
Abraham Lincoln grabbed my bum when I was 4 years old but I don’t want anything done about it. |
Different time. Perfectly acceptable in the 1860's |  |
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| Have the forum. on 19:28 - Feb 12 with 3436 views | NeedhamChris |
| Have the forum. on 17:49 - Feb 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know why people are rushing to defend Frimmers instead of Burns' father. Surely we want our players to be in the best frame of mind, for obvious reasons, so anything that bothers any of their family should be off limits. If one person takes a break from a football messageboard (I'm sure he'll be back) then it's not really much of a problem is it? |
We do want our players in the best frame or mind, so I'd suggest that his father isn't on an ITFC message board given that football is a game of opinions.
You're effectively saying that David can dictate what is and isn't said because his feelings might get hurt - which tbh, is a bit pathetic. If he's read all of Frimmers posts then he's also read the 99% of the forum criticising them, so I think he looks a bit silly getting so worked up about one poster.
I think it's also fair to say if someone else hasn't DM'd Wes on Instagram, Frimmers wouldn't have even been mentioned | |
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| Have the forum. on 19:49 - Feb 12 with 3337 views | Churchman |
| Have the forum. on 16:23 - Feb 12 by pointofblue |
I feel a bit... bad... for posting this - firstly as it in disagreement with the above, and no doubt you want to move on, and secondly it seems against the general opinion of the forum, but I feel this is slightly off.
Perhaps I didn't see every post FB made, but to me he never made it personal against Burns. He never criticised his character, or called him out for his behaviour. He seemed solely critical on his ability on the pitch. Other players have suffered and will no doubt suffer from that. Jackson seems a particularly favoured punchbag on here but, perhaps because more posters have this point of view, it's not called out. Maybe him not being a regular starter helps, but it became pretty vicious post Preston. If a family member of Jackson's posted on social media about dislike on TWTD I don't think we, as a group, would have a leg to stand on. Or, in terms of management, Lambert from around October of his first full season onwards - the criticism became prevalent from many. Can imagine his family would have been upset, reading that.
Football fans will always criticise management and players performance, whether fairly or unfairly. Where's the line? When one poster seems focused on them compared to the majority of the fanbase?
There is a definite balance to get right, and it's difficult to do so. I don't envy you one little bit. |
His criticism of Burns was pretty relentless over a long period of time. I rarely got involved with FB but I did on this when he called him ‘crp’. To me that was unnecessarily abusive. I asked if he’d say that to Burns’ face. He said not. My point was very much around if you wouldn’t say something to their face, don’t say it on an internet form. I stand by that.
You don’t know who is going to read it and it is fundamentally cowardly, in my view. These forums feel a closed world but in reality they are not. If I was responsible for ITFC Comms I’d have somebody scanning this, Twitter etc every day. It’s a useful source of information.
If I was a player or famous person I wouldn’t go near it in a million years, but that’s just my view.
What ground my gears with FB was less what he came out with and more the sheer volume of it. It made some threads unreadable, especially if you hit the ignore button. There was also a tendency to not let go of things which turned some of the threads into all about him. Not good.
I’m not going to be hypocritical about this - a break from the forum for a bit will do him and the Forum no harm.
Lastly, if he / his family have received threats of any kind, that of course is totally unacceptable. |  | | |
| Have the forum. on 20:00 - Feb 12 with 3313 views | itfcjoe |
| Have the forum. on 19:28 - Feb 12 by NeedhamChris |
We do want our players in the best frame or mind, so I'd suggest that his father isn't on an ITFC message board given that football is a game of opinions.
You're effectively saying that David can dictate what is and isn't said because his feelings might get hurt - which tbh, is a bit pathetic. If he's read all of Frimmers posts then he's also read the 99% of the forum criticising them, so I think he looks a bit silly getting so worked up about one poster.
I think it's also fair to say if someone else hasn't DM'd Wes on Instagram, Frimmers wouldn't have even been mentioned |
Wasn’t his post more along the lines of “our family has to put up with this” opposed to “I read this and it upsets me”? And if so it’s different to family members policing the board and dictating what can and can’t be said.
I can’t imagine it effects Burns mental state, and don’t think even if posts were it is a big deal / but if the back of the greatest spell in most of our lifetimes, of which WB is a key part of it must be grating to see one person massively critical, and omnipresent on every thread even when we are doing well. His family travel up from Wales for every game home and away, often with siblings etc, so have thrown themselves into following Ipswich and FBs relentless negativity about him was wrong, out of order and OTT. He had numerous times to wind it in, tone it down, including up to yesterday but all he did was double, treble and quadruple down on it - he had just become a troll and should have been gone a long time ago. It’s not the thought police |  |
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| Have the forum. on 20:08 - Feb 12 with 3257 views | RobTheMonk |
| Have the forum. on 20:00 - Feb 12 by itfcjoe |
Wasn’t his post more along the lines of “our family has to put up with this” opposed to “I read this and it upsets me”? And if so it’s different to family members policing the board and dictating what can and can’t be said.
I can’t imagine it effects Burns mental state, and don’t think even if posts were it is a big deal / but if the back of the greatest spell in most of our lifetimes, of which WB is a key part of it must be grating to see one person massively critical, and omnipresent on every thread even when we are doing well. His family travel up from Wales for every game home and away, often with siblings etc, so have thrown themselves into following Ipswich and FBs relentless negativity about him was wrong, out of order and OTT. He had numerous times to wind it in, tone it down, including up to yesterday but all he did was double, treble and quadruple down on it - he had just become a troll and should have been gone a long time ago. It’s not the thought police |
I’ll agree to disagree with the majority. Nothing more to add. |  | | |
| Have the forum. on 20:12 - Feb 12 with 3250 views | FifeITFC |
| Have the forum. on 18:13 - Feb 12 by Nthsuffolkblue |
He has been told that if he has he should report them to Phil and to the police. |
IF these threats were made, wouldn't they have gone if Phil's deleted the account? Hopefully, if true, he screenshotted them before that happened as evidence.
Could Phil have investigated this through the Admin panel before deleting his account? |  |
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| Have the forum. on 21:12 - Feb 12 with 3089 views | Coastalblue |
FB's biggest problem is a total lack of self awareness, when he believes he's right about something then nothing will make him either change his mind, or more pertinently take a step back.
During his time as Chrismakinanewthread I stuck up for him a few times feeling he was hard done by and urging him to reel it in a bit, instead he would just force the issue with increased vigour.
The Burns thing has actually been cringeworthy with him, regardless of Wes' performance there is always something he did wrong, or didn't do right. He was like that with the entire team at times, but Burns it was indeed incessant and unrelenting, most of the time just plain either wrong or inconsequential.
Most of us moan about a player on here after a poor performance, I'm sure most players would accept it goes with the territory, but to just keep grinding that same organ regardless of performance or results is not normal behaviour.
I wish him no harm, and hope that this will do him some good, but worry he has an enormous vacuum in his life that he now has to fill and hope he makes some wiser choices regarding how to fill it. |  |
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| He didn’t quit the forum, he was banned on 21:23 - Feb 12 with 3062 views | Dyland |
| Have the forum. on 18:09 - Feb 12 by charlie1 |
Quick question as I haven’t read all of the 6 pages and 120+ comments, but is anybody able to corroborate that Frimmers family have received threats?
Genuine question as this is clearly a very serious anllegation, and for Frimmers to quit the forum the inference is that the threats have come from another board member.
At present it seems that everyone is basing their responses to this on the single sentence posted by Frimmers before he departed, unless I’m missing something? |
And as Lankers and other long time and level headed members of this community have said, not before time. That is not a criticism of admin, they police the forum very well generally. It’s getting ridiculous now though and all because one poster spams the board incessantly and others are now getting concerned. It’s not a forum for individuals, it’s a community that needs to work for all. Frimmers will be back no doubt. Clangers spammed every thread as well and was a total dig but a much better member of the community. Nothing more to say on this matter ffs. |  |
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| Have the forum. on 21:52 - Feb 12 with 2986 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Have the forum. on 20:12 - Feb 12 by FifeITFC |
IF these threats were made, wouldn't they have gone if Phil's deleted the account? Hopefully, if true, he screenshotted them before that happened as evidence.
Could Phil have investigated this through the Admin panel before deleting his account? |
As demonstrated by the opening of this thread, deleting his account does not delete the history and, even if it did, someone who knew what they were doing could easily recover the information if needed. | |
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| Have the forum. on 22:20 - Feb 12 with 2914 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Have the forum. on 20:12 - Feb 12 by FifeITFC |
IF these threats were made, wouldn't they have gone if Phil's deleted the account? Hopefully, if true, he screenshotted them before that happened as evidence.
Could Phil have investigated this through the Admin panel before deleting his account? |
Who said the threats were made through this forum? |  | | |
| Have the forum. on 22:23 - Feb 12 with 2889 views | Alberto_the_frog |
| Have the forum. on 17:40 - Feb 12 by N2_Blue |
I don't know why so many people are unsure about this.
Frimley did not post anything directly to Wes on Twitter. There is absolute no doubt about that. FB was mentioned in a post by Wes Burn's father in response to someone else that had commented directly to Burns on Twitter.
That said FB was deliberatively provovative and i don't think he can have any surprise he has been banned as i don't think it was this episode alone. It had been coming for a long time but he never changed tact or every apologised despite numerous posters trying to help him. I did for about a year when he returned from being Chris Makin but then gave up. It was a waste of time. |
Banned? He jumped, he wasn't pushed | | | |
| Have the forum. on 22:39 - Feb 12 with 2853 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Have the forum. on 22:23 - Feb 12 by Alberto_the_frog |
Banned? He jumped, he wasn't pushed |
I bet he was ‘hopping’ mad.,, | | | |
| Have the forum. on 22:57 - Feb 12 with 2799 views | pointofblue |
| Have the forum. on 22:23 - Feb 12 by Alberto_the_frog |
Banned? He jumped, he wasn't pushed |
He said he'd left the forum, but Phil then deleted his account. | |
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| Have the forum. on 08:54 - Feb 13 with 2545 views | N2_Blue |
| Have the forum. on 22:23 - Feb 12 by Alberto_the_frog |
Banned? He jumped, he wasn't pushed |
Phil deleted his account and said he didn't want TWTD to be associated with the kind of campaign Frimmers had waged on Burns for 3 years. That's a ban is it not? FB may have said 'I'm done' but he did that every other week, but this time he won't be coming back, not as Frimley Blue anyway!
Phil admitted he wasn't quite aware of the volume of negativity FB had posted on Wes. | |
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