| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason 14:06 - Dec 2 with 77732 views | chicoazul |
Now that the club has confirmed Morsy chose not to wear the armband, how do our LGBTQ fans feel about this?
Like I say I would continue the interesting conversation we were having but that thread is locked. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:52 - Dec 3 with 1212 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:41 - Dec 3 by itfcjoe |
Homosexuality banned, but wearing an armband of a rainbow not banned? Maybe a grey area
*although there are plenty of Muslims who are, the mayor of London happy to stand behind Pride banners, other Muslim captains have worn it |
What are you talking about?! I've asked a simple question because I don't know. Gambling isn't allowed but wearing a shirt with a sponsor isn't gambling. It's pretty simple. However, if having any relation to betting (including wearing betting logos) is banned then fair enough. I'm just trying to understand the religious rules because I don't have a scoobie.
Wearing an armband is a choice to promote something. Having a logo on your football shirt isn't you personally endorsing it. Were you endorsing Magical Vegas when you were wearing those shirts?!? |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:53 - Dec 3 with 1203 views | textbackup |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:45 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well that's a response I wasn't expecting! |
Ah man I thought I’d worded that well too! |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:53 - Dec 3 with 1200 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:37 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Do we know the rules on this? Gambling banned - yep, fair enough. But wearing a shirt with a logo on it isn't gambling, so might be a grey area? |
Why the F am I getting downarrows for asking a simple question?! I'm not insinuating anything, I genuinely don't know.
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:54 - Dec 3 with 1192 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:43 - Dec 3 by Kievthegreat |
Please apply the same logic to rainbow armbands and homosexual acts to understand why this is a nonsense argument. |
It's not an argument. It's a fecking question. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:58 - Dec 3 with 1150 views | GlasgowBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 00:06 - Dec 3 by N2_Blue |
'assuming'
ie. you or anyone commenting on this thread doesn't actualy know. There is a whole lot of asusmption going on.
Maybe some of the assumptions are correct, maybe not but just a lot of what is being thrown at Morsy by some doesn't sit comfortably with me perosnally.
As for your question, the refusal is because of his beliefs, i don't know, because I don't know Sam Morsy.
And even if it is, it still doesn't make him a homophobe. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 0:33]
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His refusal to wear the armband is due to his religious beliefs. His religious belief is that homosexuality is a sin. It’s really not that hard and doesn’t need mental gymnastics in order to defend him. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:59 - Dec 3 with 1154 views | waveneyblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 00:11 - Dec 3 by reusersfreekicks |
Nonsense beyond belief |
Are you thick?
Go into ANY line of work and treat them differently because of their beliefs and see what happens. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:03 - Dec 3 with 1133 views | itfcjoe |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:59 - Dec 3 by waveneyblue |
Are you thick?
Go into ANY line of work and treat them differently because of their beliefs and see what happens. |
You’d better let Idris El Mizouni know as they took the captaincy of him at Orient last year for the Pride week games, he might be able to sue them |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:11 - Dec 3 with 1065 views | GlasgowBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:53 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why the F am I getting downarrows for asking a simple question?! I'm not insinuating anything, I genuinely don't know.
FFS, this place has lost its mind. |
You’ve spent three threads bending over backwards in order to defend Sam Morsy’s refusal to wear the rainbow armband. Stop looking for yet another angle to do so.
Gambling, like drinking alcohol, is a big no no in the Muslim faith. So although wearing a betting logo on a shirt isn’t partaking in the act of gambling, it is promoting gambling. So he is promoting something that goes against his religious beliefs. He did so for many games of football.
Wearing the rainbow, armband like Texters said on his post and I pointed out to you on your ”eating a bacon sandwich post”, is not partaking in a same sex act, but it is promoting inclusion and welcomeness towards the LGBTQ+ community. Sam felt that his religious beliefs prohibited him doing so.
Its rank hypocrisy from him. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 8:17]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:14 - Dec 3 with 1039 views | waveneyblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 23:00 - Dec 2 by PassionNotAnger |
As you now seem to have concluded your “debate”, personally I’d have called it a deflection but that’s not the point, I have an unsettling observation.
You have made numerous contributions on this thread to defend Morsy’s “rights” yet 3 different posters have shared their views and real experiences as gay supporters and how it has personally made them feel but you failed to acknowledge any of them, no upvotes, no empathy or any form of response.
For someone that clearly feels strongly about the subject that seems “odd”. Perhaps that tells its own story about you, perhaps it’s an oversight by you or maybe you are just using your “right” to ignore the feelings of those most impacted. |
Right, let's get one thing sorted here.
My point all the way along has been the right to choose whether to support something.
Its got nothing to do with whether I think he is right or wrong to do so, I've mentioned that.
With regards to your "unsettling observation" (give me strength), I think its absolutely horrific that people feel that they have to hide their sexuality and experience issues over it.
Everybody should be able to live their lives how they wish.
However, that doesn't mean that that everybody has to support them regardless of their personal beliefs. (This being the case of Morsy, not myself before you leap to another unsettling observation).
Please don't alledge things about me in the future.
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:15 - Dec 3 with 1033 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:37 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Do we know the rules on this? Gambling banned - yep, fair enough. But wearing a shirt with a logo on it isn't gambling, so might be a grey area? |
By having a sponsor you are supporting that sponsor.
Morsy being happy to wear the shirt means he's happy to support the sponsor otherwise as said earlier in thread if he was so against it there were options available to him so that he didn't go against his beliefs. He chose however to continue to wear the shirts. Not on just one occasion but for many games and seasons.
He however found it to difficult to wear an armband for 90 minutes. There's a specific reason for that. Unfortunately. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:16 - Dec 3 with 1024 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:53 - Dec 3 by textbackup |
Ah man I thought I’d worded that well too! |
You did! It brought me great joy.
Thanks mate, I needed that today. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:20 - Dec 3 with 982 views | waveneyblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:03 - Dec 3 by itfcjoe |
You’d better let Idris El Mizouni know as they took the captaincy of him at Orient last year for the Pride week games, he might be able to sue them |
Is this true?
The reason I ask is that the only acknowledgement of this i find on the web, is you mentioning it 2 years ago in exactly the same debate. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 8:30]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:21 - Dec 3 with 973 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:11 - Dec 3 by GlasgowBlue |
You’ve spent three threads bending over backwards in order to defend Sam Morsy’s refusal to wear the rainbow armband. Stop looking for yet another angle to do so.
Gambling, like drinking alcohol, is a big no no in the Muslim faith. So although wearing a betting logo on a shirt isn’t partaking in the act of gambling, it is promoting gambling. So he is promoting something that goes against his religious beliefs. He did so for many games of football.
Wearing the rainbow, armband like Texters said on his post and I pointed out to you on your ”eating a bacon sandwich post”, is not partaking in a same sex act, but it is promoting inclusion and welcomeness towards the LGBTQ+ community. Sam felt that his religious beliefs prohibited him doing so.
Its rank hypocrisy from him. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 8:17]
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I'm not looking for an angle to defend him. I've already changed my position and don't support him. Keep up if you're still determined to have a pop at me.
I was asking a genuine question. You've just repeated what Joe and another poster said - but from my POV (as a non-Muslim) having a betting sponsor on a football shirt doesn't indicate that the wearer is promoting it. I asked Joe if he was promoting Magical Vegas when he worse those shirts and surprise surprise he's gone silent.
Wearing an armband is deliberately promoting something. Having to wear your team's shirt, which happens to have a sponsor, does not mean you endorse that sponsor and everything they do. Wind your neck in. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:23 - Dec 3 with 949 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:15 - Dec 3 by FrimleyBlue |
By having a sponsor you are supporting that sponsor.
Morsy being happy to wear the shirt means he's happy to support the sponsor otherwise as said earlier in thread if he was so against it there were options available to him so that he didn't go against his beliefs. He chose however to continue to wear the shirts. Not on just one occasion but for many games and seasons.
He however found it to difficult to wear an armband for 90 minutes. There's a specific reason for that. Unfortunately. |
Have you ever worn a Town shirt? If so, were you endorsing the sponsor by doing so? Simple question. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:24 - Dec 3 with 946 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:53 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why the F am I getting downarrows for asking a simple question?! I'm not insinuating anything, I genuinely don't know.
FFS, this place has lost its mind. |
This place hasn’t lost its mind.
In fact, there are some posters on this very thread that have shown how wonderful they are as people.
It is really quite simple. If religion is a barrier to accepting a demographic of people, and he is unable to do so, he is not fit to be the captain. The ambassador and role model should not be someone who says “I cannot accept a display of solidarity with a group due to my religion”. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:24 - Dec 3 with 932 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:23 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you ever worn a Town shirt? If so, were you endorsing the sponsor by doing so? Simple question. |
Give me strength. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:25 - Dec 3 with 928 views | Kievthegreat |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:54 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not an argument. It's a fecking question. |
If it was a genuine question, it's genuinely stupid. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:26 - Dec 3 with 909 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:23 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you ever worn a Town shirt? If so, were you endorsing the sponsor by doing so? Simple question. |
Yes I'm accepting and supporting the sponsor by wearing the shirt. I'm advertising their company by wearing it so yes it Is supporting it. Just like morsy was supporting and being part of the advertising of betting companies. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:27 - Dec 3 with 883 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:24 - Dec 3 by NewcyBlue |
This place hasn’t lost its mind.
In fact, there are some posters on this very thread that have shown how wonderful they are as people.
It is really quite simple. If religion is a barrier to accepting a demographic of people, and he is unable to do so, he is not fit to be the captain. The ambassador and role model should not be someone who says “I cannot accept a display of solidarity with a group due to my religion”. |
I have supported those from the community in this thread. I've written one long post to one praising their bravery.
I don't know why you've added all this other stuff. I have accepted his stance is wrong. I have simply asked this morning - on the wearing a gambling sponsor point - whether that is strictly against the rules, because I don't know. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:28 - Dec 3 with 870 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:24 - Dec 3 by Swailsey |
Give me strength. |
Brilliant response, thanks for your contribution. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:28 - Dec 3 with 870 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:25 - Dec 3 by itfcjoe |
By not publicly supporting it, he is publicly rejecting it - there’s no middle ground on this one.
There’s been a lot of word salads on this thread by people trying to talk around why the non-acceptance of a basic small gesture of inclusion isn’t a big deal. It’s being spelled out why it is, and why also this viewpoint from fans is hurtful |
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| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:29 - Dec 3 with 865 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:25 - Dec 3 by Kievthegreat |
If it was a genuine question, it's genuinely stupid. |
And yet you can't answer it with anything other than abuse. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:31 - Dec 3 with 848 views | textbackup |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:21 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not looking for an angle to defend him. I've already changed my position and don't support him. Keep up if you're still determined to have a pop at me.
I was asking a genuine question. You've just repeated what Joe and another poster said - but from my POV (as a non-Muslim) having a betting sponsor on a football shirt doesn't indicate that the wearer is promoting it. I asked Joe if he was promoting Magical Vegas when he worse those shirts and surprise surprise he's gone silent.
Wearing an armband is deliberately promoting something. Having to wear your team's shirt, which happens to have a sponsor, does not mean you endorse that sponsor and everything they do. Wind your neck in. |
Isn’t the point though that he DIDNT have to wear it?
If his god/religion was THAT precious to him, as I understand it is, then he could have walked away from that club/contract.
He made a choice, in both situations.
Personally, and I know I come across as heartless many times on here, but I feel a bit sad for our gay supporter base that might now feel isolated or distant from the club.they were here before SM, and will be here after him. Slight stain on what’s been a wonderful few years. [Post edited 3 Dec 2024 8:33]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:32 - Dec 3 with 827 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:29 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And yet you can't answer it with anything other than abuse. |
Yet you ask a question. Don't get the answer you want so down arrow it. And carry on. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:33 - Dec 3 with 823 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:28 - Dec 3 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Brilliant response, thanks for your contribution. |
Sorry but you’ve again made this thread the Dolly show. It’s incredibly frustrating and insulting to the people who have shared their experiences here. Your insistence of trying to challenge every person in a victim-like state is completely unnecessary.
Please reflect on how you are coming across.
I don’t understand the mental gymnastics you’re trying to apply and I think they’re in poor taste. I’ll leave it there as I have already failed in not engaging with you further like I said I would. | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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