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Now that the club has confirmed Morsy chose not to wear the armband, how do our LGBTQ fans feel about this? Like I say I would continue the interesting conversation we were having but that thread is locked.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:11 - Dec 3 by Ryorry
"some of his historic posts, likes, and shares on social media (which have now been deleted I believe, but a few I remember seeing could be described as nothing but homophobic".
Wasn't aware of that I must say. Can it be verified even if the posts have been deleted?
That there hasn't been any statement or message from him has been key to this thread, several people pointing to the fact that we don't know his rationale, including myself going down the "don't judge someone till you've walked a mile in their shoes" line.
No I don't believe you can, and while I do remember seeing a couple myself that were pointed out to me by a fellow fan, I should probably edit that part of my post as it probably only muddies things and I wouldn't want to create issues with this thread given how many positive messages there are in it. I think it's fair to say it is not unreasonable to ask for something from Morsy himself on his choice.
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My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:30 - Dec 3 with 1493 views
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:28 - Dec 3 by rkc123
No I don't believe you can, and while I do remember seeing a couple myself that were pointed out to me by a fellow fan, I should probably edit that part of my post as it probably only muddies things and I wouldn't want to create issues with this thread given how many positive messages there are in it. I think it's fair to say it is not unreasonable to ask for something from Morsy himself on his choice.
If others have seen it and can back up what you've said, I'd suggest not editing it - it certainly gave me some context (assuming those sm posts of his were genuine).
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:33 - Dec 3 by Ryorry
If others have seen it and can back up what you've said, I'd suggest not editing it - it certainly gave me some context (assuming those sm posts of his were genuine).
He did share something a while back, that even I thought ‘cor that’s a bit…’
For the life of me don’t remember what it was tho!
I think anyone who saw what Sam Morsy was liking/retweeting on twitter a few years ago isn't remotely surprised by this. Think it has toned down now thank god, but was some pretty disappointing stuff. Lots of Andrew Tate and other people of the like saying some questionable things.
Ultimately I'm not sure what the club can do. They cant force it on to Morsy's arm and removing him as captain for the day, whilst possible, is just never going to happen.
But it doesn't sit right with me. I want Ipswich to be an inclusive club where everyone feels welcome and its clear from simple logic as well as the posts on this thread from fans who are members of the LGBTQ community that this has done quite the opposite. Shame.
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:30 - Dec 3 by itfc_statman
For anyone defending Morsy on this, I wonder if you'd defend a white, English, christian, reform-supporting player of doing the same thing?
Well, actually, some of you probably would
I read this on twitter just now:
"I suspect the same people who suggest immigrants need to ‘live by British values’ are a lot of the same people saying ‘he can do what he wants!’ in relation to Sammy."
Looking at how certain fans reacted to Muslim related news in such a negative way, it is so bizarre to see them tweeting their support for a Muslim belief.
the whole thing has created a stain on this club, nothing positive at all and only negatives.
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My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:38 - Dec 3 with 1396 views
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:33 - Dec 3 by Ryorry
If others have seen it and can back up what you've said, I'd suggest not editing it - it certainly gave me some context (assuming those sm posts of his were genuine).
I remember a few dodgy Twitter links on his page being mentioned on here a while back though cannot remember the exact content. Andrew Tate links ring a bell?
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My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:40 - Dec 3 with 1378 views
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:38 - Dec 3 by Blueschev
I remember a few dodgy Twitter links on his page being mentioned on here a while back though cannot remember the exact content. Andrew Tate links ring a bell?
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:33 - Dec 3 by Ryorry
If others have seen it and can back up what you've said, I'd suggest not editing it - it certainly gave me some context (assuming those sm posts of his were genuine).
Likewise.
I didn't know this at all, and it does give much more context to Sam not supporting the campaign, and I'm certainly way more willing to acknowledge the feelings of others about this now rather than it just being on hearsay and assumptions.
It would be great if anyone can verify this in someway but I realise may not be possible, but absoulsutely no reason for rkc123 to make that up, so yes genuinely disappointing.
When I find myself questioning things that don't quite sit right, I often trot out the phrase to myself "it'd be a boring world if we were all the same".
Now, i'm not suggesting the world is better off for human rights abusers, rapists and pedos, but....here's the thing for me..
Is Morsy actually hurting someone? Doesn't appear that way, (although I accept some fans may feel a disconnect now)
Is Morsy in general, doing good things? Seems as though he does, and everyone I know who's spoken to him, suggests he's a really nicer guy and takes time out to do good things.
Should we respect religion? Absolutely. I mean, it's f****g fairtale stuff, but, respect it, we should. (I mean proper religion btw, not fanatical offshoots). Sometimes I wish I had faith, would be a lovely thing to have when you think about it.
Religions obviously have their faults, but they're progressing, they do adapt over time, but....key here...it does take time.
There's a need for religion in human nature by many people, being a product of upbringing is a massive influencer of course as to whether you uptake that...I suspect Morsy's religious path is slightly different to those who imparted it on him.
My own personal conclusion, being a practicing Muslim doesn't make him a bad person and nothing wrong with personal opinions and holding your own integrity surrounding that, regarldless of whether that is different to my thought process (ONLY when not hurting others) I don't think it is.
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Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 10:44 - Dec 3 with 1341 views
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:36 - Dec 3 by TRUE_BLUE123
I think anyone who saw what Sam Morsy was liking/retweeting on twitter a few years ago isn't remotely surprised by this. Think it has toned down now thank god, but was some pretty disappointing stuff. Lots of Andrew Tate and other people of the like saying some questionable things.
Ultimately I'm not sure what the club can do. They cant force it on to Morsy's arm and removing him as captain for the day, whilst possible, is just never going to happen.
But it doesn't sit right with me. I want Ipswich to be an inclusive club where everyone feels welcome and its clear from simple logic as well as the posts on this thread from fans who are members of the LGBTQ community that this has done quite the opposite. Shame.
[Post edited 3 Dec 2024 10:40]
….at the outset of this discussion but it was largely ignored, which is fair enough.
The wider debate about “free speech” and “religious beliefs” really would pale into insignificance if someone really delved into it.
Probably not ideal to pursue this line though, it really wouldn’t be good for any party involved.
"The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025)
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My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:48 - Dec 3 with 1303 views
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:33 - Dec 3 by Ryorry
If others have seen it and can back up what you've said, I'd suggest not editing it - it certainly gave me some context (assuming those sm posts of his were genuine).
It's very difficult when things are removed, and it could very well be that the club worked with Sam to improve his understanding on the subject. Not to keep repeating myself but I think it is just part of why something from Morsy himself is needed in this situation, the club's statement was very weak I felt (admittedly they were in a difficult position having allowed him to remain captain for the game and not wear the armband).
For what it's worth I genuinely think Morsy would be welcoming and accepting of all fans, but his actions in this instance are no doubt disappointing. I've observed this sort of thing in a Christian setting, where you have people who genuinely seem to be loving and open to lgbtqia+ people, yet simultaneously hold the view that everything about their life is sinful and wrong, I find it very strange.
Considering the choice of captain is Mckenna's responsibsility there must be people questioning Kieran's decision-making? But I haven't seen any.
I just still think there must be more to it behind closed doors that's sits comfortably with the club, playing staff and of course our manager. They're the ones that know Sam.
Whilst i agree from the outside it's not a good look and its disappointing Sam feels he can't wear the armband I still respect he has the right not to do so and won't pass judgement without having actual evidence behind such decisions.
Maybe I'm being too naive but statements such as "By not publicly supporting it, he is publicly rejecting it - there’s no middle ground on this one." sit uncomfortably with me. Lowhouse makes a good point of campaigns such as this being set up on the basis of opt-out rather than opt-in undermines free choice.
However, it probably would need a personal statement from Sam to explain his reasoning without trotting out the 'due to religious beliefs' cliche.
I think a few posters have been critical of what i've said, and that's fair enoguh. I'm not defending Sam, but i don't think it's fair to suggest he is a homophobe because he doesn't suppot the campaign publically.
[Post edited 3 Dec 2024 10:34]
People are judging Morsy from their own viewpoint without any knowledge whatsoever of him or his faith - Islam takes many forms. I have not seen anything in three years to suggest Morsy is anything other than a top player, Captain and more important thoroughly decent bloke.
I see plenty on here wishing to vilify, condemn, judge without any idea on why he made the decision he has. It reminds me a little of the Chariots of Fire bloke Eric Liddle who refused to run on a Sunday. Seems odd to me and I don’t understand it. But I am not going to condemn person for his beliefs or something I don’t understand. I’ll leave that to others.
Looking at this from a wider perspective, equal rights for want of a better phrase has made tremendous progress in my lifetime and far more than in most countries. But there is a helluva long way to go whether it’s this or any form is ‘ism’ (racism, sexism, ageism etc).
To those who have said comments on social media have made them feel more uncomfortable about attending football matches, please don’t feel that way. My guess is the majority of people feel the way I do about ‘inclusivity’ (not sure I like the term but you know what I mean) and I never have and never will tolerate somebody being picked on or made to feel uncomfortable for who they are (above paragraph).
Would I wear the rainbow stuff? Of course. Do I wish Sam Morsy had? Yes. But I am not Sam. Sometimes there are things that one will never understand (e.g. I don’t understand why some people refuse to wear poppies - it’s something important to me before anyone calls that trivial) and is best left where it is.) and is best left where it is.
That’s my last comment on this.
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My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:51 - Dec 3 with 1257 views
Not many more powerful and passionate songs, so maybe the club could make up for things by playing this when the teams come out.
Lie to your workmates, lie to your folks Put down the queens and tell anti-queer jokes Gay lib's ridiculous, join their laughter "The b*ggers are legal now, what more are they after"
[Post edited 3 Dec 2024 10:57]
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My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:52 - Dec 3 with 1250 views
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:42 - Dec 3 by dirtyboy
Took some catching up on this thread...jeez.
When I find myself questioning things that don't quite sit right, I often trot out the phrase to myself "it'd be a boring world if we were all the same".
Now, i'm not suggesting the world is better off for human rights abusers, rapists and pedos, but....here's the thing for me..
Is Morsy actually hurting someone? Doesn't appear that way, (although I accept some fans may feel a disconnect now)
Is Morsy in general, doing good things? Seems as though he does, and everyone I know who's spoken to him, suggests he's a really nicer guy and takes time out to do good things.
Should we respect religion? Absolutely. I mean, it's f****g fairtale stuff, but, respect it, we should. (I mean proper religion btw, not fanatical offshoots). Sometimes I wish I had faith, would be a lovely thing to have when you think about it.
Religions obviously have their faults, but they're progressing, they do adapt over time, but....key here...it does take time.
There's a need for religion in human nature by many people, being a product of upbringing is a massive influencer of course as to whether you uptake that...I suspect Morsy's religious path is slightly different to those who imparted it on him.
My own personal conclusion, being a practicing Muslim doesn't make him a bad person and nothing wrong with personal opinions and holding your own integrity surrounding that, regarldless of whether that is different to my thought process (ONLY when not hurting others) I don't think it is.
As I said in my first reply to the thread.
Morsy is entitled to do what he wants.
But so is the club. And the club captain represents not just the players but the club and its community as a whole.
If he can't fully represent the club at ALL times then he shouldn't be captain.
Let him lead on the field. You don't need an armband to do that.
But give armband to someone who can positively represent the club and its community at all times.
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:22 - Dec 3 by PassionNotAnger
I've already said what I wanted to.
If you think it's blatantly obvious there is no need for further dialogue?
That said, If you think I hold a view on your posts that you aren't comfortable with or is wrong then perhaps spend your energy pondering why someone would come to an inaccurate conclusion based only on your posts on this thread?
To make it crystal clear, I couldn't give one single toss to what you personally think about me. Not one.
But what does bother me, is your less than subtle accusation on a public message board.
People are judging Morsy from their own viewpoint without any knowledge whatsoever of him or his faith - Islam takes many forms. I have not seen anything in three years to suggest Morsy is anything other than a top player, Captain and more important thoroughly decent bloke.
I see plenty on here wishing to vilify, condemn, judge without any idea on why he made the decision he has. It reminds me a little of the Chariots of Fire bloke Eric Liddle who refused to run on a Sunday. Seems odd to me and I don’t understand it. But I am not going to condemn person for his beliefs or something I don’t understand. I’ll leave that to others.
Looking at this from a wider perspective, equal rights for want of a better phrase has made tremendous progress in my lifetime and far more than in most countries. But there is a helluva long way to go whether it’s this or any form is ‘ism’ (racism, sexism, ageism etc).
To those who have said comments on social media have made them feel more uncomfortable about attending football matches, please don’t feel that way. My guess is the majority of people feel the way I do about ‘inclusivity’ (not sure I like the term but you know what I mean) and I never have and never will tolerate somebody being picked on or made to feel uncomfortable for who they are (above paragraph).
Would I wear the rainbow stuff? Of course. Do I wish Sam Morsy had? Yes. But I am not Sam. Sometimes there are things that one will never understand (e.g. I don’t understand why some people refuse to wear poppies - it’s something important to me before anyone calls that trivial) and is best left where it is.) and is best left where it is.
That’s my last comment on this.
This is all correct and fair, but ultimately I'm afraid that there isn't a defence for making a decision that is tantamount to not being accepting of homosexuality in this country in 2024.
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Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 10:54 - Dec 3 with 1228 views
Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 10:44 - Dec 3 by Bloots
….at the outset of this discussion but it was largely ignored, which is fair enough.
The wider debate about “free speech” and “religious beliefs” really would pale into insignificance if someone really delved into it.
Probably not ideal to pursue this line though, it really wouldn’t be good for any party involved.
You just know that prior to the game Sunday there will be a down pour, followed by sunshine…. Resulting in, yep, a huge rainbow taking over the PR skyline. And we’ll all laugh
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:42 - Dec 3 by dirtyboy
Took some catching up on this thread...jeez.
When I find myself questioning things that don't quite sit right, I often trot out the phrase to myself "it'd be a boring world if we were all the same".
Now, i'm not suggesting the world is better off for human rights abusers, rapists and pedos, but....here's the thing for me..
Is Morsy actually hurting someone? Doesn't appear that way, (although I accept some fans may feel a disconnect now)
Is Morsy in general, doing good things? Seems as though he does, and everyone I know who's spoken to him, suggests he's a really nicer guy and takes time out to do good things.
Should we respect religion? Absolutely. I mean, it's f****g fairtale stuff, but, respect it, we should. (I mean proper religion btw, not fanatical offshoots). Sometimes I wish I had faith, would be a lovely thing to have when you think about it.
Religions obviously have their faults, but they're progressing, they do adapt over time, but....key here...it does take time.
There's a need for religion in human nature by many people, being a product of upbringing is a massive influencer of course as to whether you uptake that...I suspect Morsy's religious path is slightly different to those who imparted it on him.
My own personal conclusion, being a practicing Muslim doesn't make him a bad person and nothing wrong with personal opinions and holding your own integrity surrounding that, regarldless of whether that is different to my thought process (ONLY when not hurting others) I don't think it is.
I reserve the right not to have any respect for Morsy's religion, or that of anybody else. I respect people's right to religious freedom, not the religion itself.
Being a Muslim doesn't make Morsy a bad person, nor does it give him a free pass for bigotry.
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Poetic as that may be…. on 10:58 - Dec 3 with 1186 views
Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 10:54 - Dec 3 by textbackup
You just know that prior to the game Sunday there will be a down pour, followed by sunshine…. Resulting in, yep, a huge rainbow taking over the PR skyline. And we’ll all laugh
….I’m not planning to wear my “big coat” tonight, so I’ll probably get wet.
Which will be a shame.
"The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025)
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Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 10:59 - Dec 3 with 1168 views
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 10:51 - Dec 3 by DJR
Not many more powerful and passionate songs, so maybe the club could make up for things by playing this when the teams come out.
Lie to your workmates, lie to your folks Put down the queens and tell anti-queer jokes Gay lib's ridiculous, join their laughter "The b*ggers are legal now, what more are they after"
[Post edited 3 Dec 2024 10:57]
I love that tune.
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My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 11:01 - Dec 3 with 1150 views
So what do we make of Marc Guehi writing 'I love Jesus' on his rainbow armband?
Think someone mentioned above about what if a christian did something similar, so now is the chance...
For me, I think wearing the armband, then effectively defacing it with a message that could/should be interpreted as 'I'm doing this under protest' is worse. Minimum is its just as bad.
Sure the two of them will have plenty to chat about in the tunnel tonight...
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Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 11:02 - Dec 3 with 1800 views
Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 10:59 - Dec 3 by Ryorry
"Indeed, I mentioned it…. on 10:44 - Dec 3 by Bloots ….at the outset of this discussion but it was largely ignored, which is fair enough".
I hadn't seen any, so looked em up - they were actually on Chico's other thread that got locked & which I hadn't seen anything of.
[Post edited 3 Dec 2024 11:02]
I'm still not sure why Phil looked the other thread? There nothing said on that thread that hasn't been said on this one. Letting this thread run seems to have coincided with the club issuing a statement.
My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 11:01 - Dec 3 by Jrm_72
So what do we make of Marc Guehi writing 'I love Jesus' on his rainbow armband?
Think someone mentioned above about what if a christian did something similar, so now is the chance...
For me, I think wearing the armband, then effectively defacing it with a message that could/should be interpreted as 'I'm doing this under protest' is worse. Minimum is its just as bad.
Sure the two of them will have plenty to chat about in the tunnel tonight...
Rumour on Twitter this morning is he's being charged for the gesture
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