| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason 14:06 - Dec 2 with 77812 views | chicoazul |
Now that the club has confirmed Morsy chose not to wear the armband, how do our LGBTQ fans feel about this?
Like I say I would continue the interesting conversation we were having but that thread is locked. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:10 - Dec 2 with 2384 views | DJR |
A search reveals it's been picked up by the national newspapers, such as the Mirror, Mail and Sun, which in my view is not good publicity for the club.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14148793/Premier-League-capta
His refusal has gone down well on the comments section of the Mail article, but I suppose the Mail and many of its readers must be torn between which group (Muslims or LGBT) they dislike the most.
Does anyone know if the rest of the players will wear rainbow laces tomorrow (they didn't on Saturday), and will the club give any publicity on the day to the initiative? [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 16:20]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:15 - Dec 2 with 2326 views | textbackup |
Just asked gay Barry at work about this, gave him the full details.
Asked as a gay man, if he followed Town how he’d view this…
After some time he replied ‘I’ve googled Sam, but got distracted by Wes Burns. He could leave a bad taste in my mouth’
Then did a winked emoji… he’s not taking this as seriously as I’d hoped he would. |  |
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| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 16:15 - Dec 2 with 2305 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 15:48 - Dec 2 by J2BLUE |
That is true but based on the amount of players who have praised Morsy as a captain and person it would appear unlikely that he would treat anyone like that.
I think there is a big difference between condemning it (hate) and not being seen to promote it (hands tied due to religion). |
Pretty much as simple as an answer as it comes. |  |
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| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 16:19 - Dec 2 with 2293 views | Clapham_Junction |
| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 15:48 - Dec 2 by J2BLUE |
That is true but based on the amount of players who have praised Morsy as a captain and person it would appear unlikely that he would treat anyone like that.
I think there is a big difference between condemning it (hate) and not being seen to promote it (hands tied due to religion). |
His hands aren't tied. Sadiq Khan is a Muslim and has actively participated in London Pride events.
My view is that he is in a leadership position, and one duty of being in such a position is to promote these sorts of things. As a senior-ish manager in a large organisation I saw these types of activities as being my responsibility in the position I was in and my personal beliefs were irrelevant. Every job description for a leadership position in that organisation required people to promote the organisation's inclusion policy – something Morsy would fail on. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:20 - Dec 2 with 2285 views | Whos_blue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 14:35 - Dec 2 by Swailsey |
I disagree. Only captain to not wear one - I’m glad they have. Some of the replies on the News story though, Christ alive. |
Yep. Some corkers on there.
Sad really. |  |
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| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 16:22 - Dec 2 with 2262 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 16:19 - Dec 2 by Clapham_Junction |
His hands aren't tied. Sadiq Khan is a Muslim and has actively participated in London Pride events.
My view is that he is in a leadership position, and one duty of being in such a position is to promote these sorts of things. As a senior-ish manager in a large organisation I saw these types of activities as being my responsibility in the position I was in and my personal beliefs were irrelevant. Every job description for a leadership position in that organisation required people to promote the organisation's inclusion policy – something Morsy would fail on. |
But you're effectively saying you should just promote whatever the organization thinks is correct, right? Presumably at some point your personal beliefs would come into play? To some extent, where you work does affect what you need to promote but I don't think encouraging personal beliefs of individual employees to be irrelevant is correct. | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:24 - Dec 2 with 2256 views | waveneyblue |
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| Sorry on 16:27 - Dec 2 with 2217 views | waveneyblue |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 16:24 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
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This was supposed to be a direct response to the board's resident tea-spoon.
But I did it wrong - It just said - Give it a rest | | | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:28 - Dec 2 with 2212 views | Illinoisblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:15 - Dec 2 by textbackup |
Just asked gay Barry at work about this, gave him the full details.
Asked as a gay man, if he followed Town how he’d view this…
After some time he replied ‘I’ve googled Sam, but got distracted by Wes Burns. He could leave a bad taste in my mouth’
Then did a winked emoji… he’s not taking this as seriously as I’d hoped he would. |
Barry Grayson, innit. |  |
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| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 16:32 - Dec 2 with 2182 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 15:43 - Dec 2 by textbackup |
but that’s just your opinion, someone might think the total opposite based on their opinion.
Wouldn’t make either of you correct, the only person that knows for sure is SM. |
Absolutely, and given that we don't know there's little point discussing it. All I know is there's no evidence of him doing anything hateful, so I'm not sure why anyone would go with the side that he would/might.
The mostly likely outcome, given what we know, is he'd keep quiet on the issue and do nothing one way or the other. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:36 - Dec 2 with 2156 views | baxterbasics |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:10 - Dec 2 by DJR |
A search reveals it's been picked up by the national newspapers, such as the Mirror, Mail and Sun, which in my view is not good publicity for the club.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14148793/Premier-League-capta
His refusal has gone down well on the comments section of the Mail article, but I suppose the Mail and many of its readers must be torn between which group (Muslims or LGBT) they dislike the most.
Does anyone know if the rest of the players will wear rainbow laces tomorrow (they didn't on Saturday), and will the club give any publicity on the day to the initiative? [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 16:20]
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"His refusal has gone down well on the comments section of the Mail article, but I suppose the Mail and many of its readers must be torn between which group (Muslims or LGBT) they dislike the most."
The opposite also applies of the lefty Guardian readers, no? Having to decide who deserves the highest pedestal and most special of special treatment, Muslims or LGBTs! [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 16:36]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:41 - Dec 2 with 2134 views | baxterbasics |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 15:18 - Dec 2 by homer_123 |
If you are going to post on the subject, at least get it right.
LGBTQIA+ |
Last I checked it was LGBTQIA2S+
But that was a while ago, has probably grown.
Given the function of the + symbol however, may as well call it L+
Anyway my other thought on the issue - choosing not to take the (semi enforced and therefore meaningless) pro-active step of wearing such a thing is NOT the same as being discriminatory towards gay fans or footballers. It is possible to be open and welcoming to all whilst choosing not to openly celebrate specific characteristics. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:46 - Dec 2 with 2106 views | DJR |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:36 - Dec 2 by baxterbasics |
"His refusal has gone down well on the comments section of the Mail article, but I suppose the Mail and many of its readers must be torn between which group (Muslims or LGBT) they dislike the most."
The opposite also applies of the lefty Guardian readers, no? Having to decide who deserves the highest pedestal and most special of special treatment, Muslims or LGBTs! [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 16:36]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:47 - Dec 2 with 2103 views | orfordbuoy |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:36 - Dec 2 by baxterbasics |
"His refusal has gone down well on the comments section of the Mail article, but I suppose the Mail and many of its readers must be torn between which group (Muslims or LGBT) they dislike the most."
The opposite also applies of the lefty Guardian readers, no? Having to decide who deserves the highest pedestal and most special of special treatment, Muslims or LGBTs! [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 16:36]
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He's making news for all the wrong reasons. |  | | |
| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 16:50 - Dec 2 with 2072 views | Clapham_Junction |
| I'd be "extremely disappointed".... on 16:22 - Dec 2 by JammyDodgerrr |
But you're effectively saying you should just promote whatever the organization thinks is correct, right? Presumably at some point your personal beliefs would come into play? To some extent, where you work does affect what you need to promote but I don't think encouraging personal beliefs of individual employees to be irrelevant is correct. |
If you're in a leadership position at that company, yes.
Discouraging personal beliefs that are not in line with inclusivity or discrimination legislation is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:53 - Dec 2 with 2039 views | Crow77 |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:47 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
He's making news for all the wrong reasons. |
The way I see it is it's his choice Sammy is paid to play football for ITFC does wearing a armband be it rainbow or plain make any difference to how he plays? No has he come out and said anything against the movement? No he has just decided that he will keep wearing the same one he has for past 3 yrs do to his personal beliefs |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:56 - Dec 2 with 2013 views | orfordbuoy |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:53 - Dec 2 by Crow77 |
The way I see it is it's his choice Sammy is paid to play football for ITFC does wearing a armband be it rainbow or plain make any difference to how he plays? No has he come out and said anything against the movement? No he has just decided that he will keep wearing the same one he has for past 3 yrs do to his personal beliefs |
..... that he does not support gay rights? That reflects directly on the club and us - the supporters. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:04 - Dec 2 with 1976 views | Leaky |
Glad your previous thread was blocked what rainbow gay rights got to do with football . I have quite a few gay town supporters I class as good friends stop making a big issue about it live and let live. We all have various views about life. I will always support my gay friends providing they are not from north of the devide |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:05 - Dec 2 with 1965 views | Suffolktractor |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 15:52 - Dec 2 by gringoblue |
To be clear, I don't think Morsy should be club captain. His religious beliefs are incompatible with the role. |
So you are saying we should not have a captain of our club who is a practising Moslem?
What message would that send out to young up and coming Moslem footballers or indeed trying to attract supporters from that faith? | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:06 - Dec 2 with 1962 views | hype313 |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:56 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
..... that he does not support gay rights? That reflects directly on the club and us - the supporters. |
A good friend of mine is a gay season ticket supporting town fan, he couldn't give a monkeys chuff what armband Morsy wears. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:14 - Dec 2 with 1908 views | noggin |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:56 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
..... that he does not support gay rights? That reflects directly on the club and us - the supporters. |
Out of interest, what are your views on players taking, or not taking the knee? |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:16 - Dec 2 with 1905 views | textbackup |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:06 - Dec 2 by hype313 |
A good friend of mine is a gay season ticket supporting town fan, he couldn't give a monkeys chuff what armband Morsy wears. |
I’m sure many would echo that… but then not everyone will.
I mean, some Muslims would behead someone for a joke about their god, but millions wouldn’t. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:18 - Dec 2 with 1885 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:01 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
I don't see why it is stirring, the 3 separate threads are made over a year. If the one hadn't been locked it would have been 2 threads a year apart - and a news story about it is worthy of starting a new thread for me |
This is Chickers as well don't forget. His whole MO is controversial hot takes and trolling, has been for years. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:21 - Dec 2 with 1846 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 16:56 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
..... that he does not support gay rights? That reflects directly on the club and us - the supporters. |
It doesn't reflect on me.
And the club are doing lots of initiatives to support inclusivity. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:22 - Dec 2 with 1843 views | reusersfreekicks |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:06 - Dec 2 by hype313 |
A good friend of mine is a gay season ticket supporting town fan, he couldn't give a monkeys chuff what armband Morsy wears. |
Thanks for that statistically significant survey |  | | |
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