| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason 14:06 - Dec 2 with 81755 views | chicoazul |
Now that the club has confirmed Morsy chose not to wear the armband, how do our LGBTQ fans feel about this?
Like I say I would continue the interesting conversation we were having but that thread is locked. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:58 - Dec 2 with 1239 views | Vegtablue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:37 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
Though this would be happening now due to increased external pressure because of the club's standing. From memory, Morsy has previously refused to wear the rainbow armband without losing the captaincy. Taking it from him now would simply be playing lip service to wider awareness rather than because of, for want of better word, 'conscience'. |
Absolutely and it's a real shame. I'd still like there to be a 'we don't get everything right' about-face on this for Tuesday night though, as much as you're spot on. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:01 - Dec 2 with 1214 views | orfordbuoy |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:54 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
To be clear - I think you are talking bo1locks.
The "role" doesn't include doing what you're told to do. That role probably exists in the army, in places like North Korea.
We are ALL free to choose what we support or what we believe in, so regardless what we individually think, Morsy is allowed to do what he believes is right. |
..... in his private life (even though it's outright discrimination). The point is, when he is on the field, he represents the club and the fans. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 2 with 1199 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:54 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
To be clear - I think you are talking bo1locks.
The "role" doesn't include doing what you're told to do. That role probably exists in the army, in places like North Korea.
We are ALL free to choose what we support or what we believe in, so regardless what we individually think, Morsy is allowed to do what he believes is right. |
The role of club captain includes being an ambassador and representative.
He clearly cannot do it, and therefore is unsuitable. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:03 - Dec 2 with 1200 views | itfcjoe |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:48 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think you're rather splitting hairs, we shall have to agree to disagree on this. He's not actively doing a thing (i.e. preaching hate speech). He's decided to not take part in a gesture. That's not doing a thing. If I don't wear a poppy that's not me taking action. I'm just not doing anything. Inaction. And Morsy has decided to not do a thing that others are taking part in. I think it's wrong, but there we are. |
Come on, like your poppy example yesterday you are mistaking what you think is ‘abstaining’ to being against something |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:03 - Dec 2 with 1194 views | PassionNotAnger |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:53 - Dec 2 by Leaky |
So what your saying if he wears the armband whether he believes in it or not he's a good captain if decides not to wear he's a bad captain . So you would prefer a hypocrit as a captain rather than someone whose honest about his beliefs |
No, if he doesn’t believe in the message he shouldn’t wear the armband in my opinion. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:04 - Dec 2 with 1176 views | waveneyblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:01 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
..... in his private life (even though it's outright discrimination). The point is, when he is on the field, he represents the club and the fans. |
Its not though is it.
He is a human being, not a club captain.
In my opinion, everything that becomes "expected" or "forced" actually waters down the whole meaning in the first place. Whether its taking the knee, poppy wearing or this.
Inclusivity isn't being forced to join in no matter what. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 19:05]
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| Do you realise that.... on 19:06 - Dec 2 with 1159 views | Bloots |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:25 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Fantastic post and I admire your bravery. I was going to post, "Has anyone asked what our LGBTIQA+ supporters think, surely they should be the judge on this?" but you've saved me from asking that.
I just wanted to add, for my part I didn't want to shut down the conversation, I just felt that everything had been said over and over, and the OP is a well-known 'controversy' poster, so I would question his motives on any subject. I'd rather hear your views, and I'm glad we now have.
It's a shame Morsy's inaction makes you feel a lesser person, which you certainly aren't. I will bow to your view as it's only the view of yourself and others in the community that matters.
Thanks for holding your nerve and let's hope things continue to improve as they largely have done. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 18:27]
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....you don't have to always make a comment?
You certainly did try and close the conversation down, you certainly accused other posters of trolling and you are certainly wrong about Morsy being "inactive" over this.
Sometimes less is more.
Try it. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:07 - Dec 2 with 1150 views | Mullet |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:04 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
Its not though is it.
He is a human being, not a club captain.
In my opinion, everything that becomes "expected" or "forced" actually waters down the whole meaning in the first place. Whether its taking the knee, poppy wearing or this.
Inclusivity isn't being forced to join in no matter what. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 19:05]
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Who has been forced to take the knee? |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:07 - Dec 2 with 1142 views | Leaky |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:57 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
..... that gay rights are wrong. How do you find this acceptable - especially when he represents ITFC and us, the fans? |
Who has said gay rights is wrong I certainly have not and far as I can see nor has same.i was having a beer twice over the weekend with gay friends none of them were wearing rainbow armbands so why should Sam |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:08 - Dec 2 with 1142 views | JakeITFC |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:54 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
To be clear - I think you are talking bo1locks.
The "role" doesn't include doing what you're told to do. That role probably exists in the army, in places like North Korea.
We are ALL free to choose what we support or what we believe in, so regardless what we individually think, Morsy is allowed to do what he believes is right. |
I support his right to free speech, I do not support his right to be homophobic. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:09 - Dec 2 with 1127 views | pointofblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:04 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
Its not though is it.
He is a human being, not a club captain.
In my opinion, everything that becomes "expected" or "forced" actually waters down the whole meaning in the first place. Whether its taking the knee, poppy wearing or this.
Inclusivity isn't being forced to join in no matter what. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 19:05]
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He's not been forced to wear the armband though? He's refused, the club has accepted it, he's retained the captancy. But that doesn't mean everyone will necessarily agree with this approach in return. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:09 - Dec 2 with 1121 views | MK1 |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:57 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
..... that gay rights are wrong. How do you find this acceptable - especially when he represents ITFC and us, the fans? |
No footballer on the planet represents me. I am an adult and more than capable of speaking up for myself. He is in some way the face of the club, but so are others. I think to say that he represents the fans is a bit of a hot take. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:10 - Dec 2 with 1114 views | orfordbuoy |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:04 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
Its not though is it.
He is a human being, not a club captain.
In my opinion, everything that becomes "expected" or "forced" actually waters down the whole meaning in the first place. Whether its taking the knee, poppy wearing or this.
Inclusivity isn't being forced to join in no matter what. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 19:05]
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'He is a human being, not a club captain'
Well, I agree with 50% of that. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:10 - Dec 2 with 1110 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:04 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
Its not though is it.
He is a human being, not a club captain.
In my opinion, everything that becomes "expected" or "forced" actually waters down the whole meaning in the first place. Whether its taking the knee, poppy wearing or this.
Inclusivity isn't being forced to join in no matter what. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 19:05]
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He isn’t being forced. It doesn’t mean that his deliberate choice is acceptable and that he is a suitable ambassador and role model. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:14 - Dec 2 with 1068 views | orfordbuoy |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:09 - Dec 2 by MK1 |
No footballer on the planet represents me. I am an adult and more than capable of speaking up for myself. He is in some way the face of the club, but so are others. I think to say that he represents the fans is a bit of a hot take. |
'our captain' - must have seen it a dozen times tonight. Not to be rude, but you do not represent ITFC on the field so it's irrelevant if you are capable of speaking for yourself.
Quite simply Morsy let many ITFC fans down | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:15 - Dec 2 with 1067 views | grow_our_own |
Problem with criticising Morsy is that we don't know what he objects to. If he's criticising LGB, then those rights are absolute and inalienable. Religion or not, that's homophobic and oppressing a minority whose rights harm nobody. But many women think absolute trans rights are misogynist. Many gay people think absolute trans rights are homophobic. Many parents think trans medication harms children. Many female sports people object to competing against trans women.
Stonewall rightly gained huge respect from transforming British attitudes to gay people. So much that the liberal left jumped on board when they threw the T into LGB. The right-on view is to also feel it's inalienable for trans women, who have the same propensity for sexual violence as men, to have absolute rights to women's spaces. Until very recently British children were given damaging medicine in the form of puberty blockers on the NHS. Gay people are pressured to believe that they aren't gay at all, and instead they should have life-changing surgery to change gender. Many have come out and said they regret doing so. Lesbians are supposed to tolerate dating apps allowing people with penises on them.
I'm all for trans rights right up to the point where it harms others. I'm all for pronouns, using their preferred gender name, etc. They have the right to be treated as their preferred gender in most, but not all circumstances. LGBT, should be more like LGBt.
"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others." - John Stewart Mill | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:16 - Dec 2 with 1055 views | waveneyblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:04 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
Its not though is it.
He is a human being, not a club captain.
In my opinion, everything that becomes "expected" or "forced" actually waters down the whole meaning in the first place. Whether its taking the knee, poppy wearing or this.
Inclusivity isn't being forced to join in no matter what. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 19:05]
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Nice you chose the forced option rather than expected. Fits the narrative much better.
(in answer to Mullet) [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 19:27]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:17 - Dec 2 with 1050 views | J2BLUE |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
Respect and apologies if my posts have come across as trying to shut down the debate. That was not my intention. I have been very critical of the OP because I felt like he was repeatedly stirring the pot and disappearing which combined with a previous post of his made me strongly believe he was just stirring.
Frankly, I should know better than to assume anyone's circumstances and in the words of a famous Town fan I feel a bit of a bellend.
Apologies again to you and apologies to chico as well.
I will wind my neck in unless I have anything constructive to add. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:17 - Dec 2 with 1045 views | MK1 |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:14 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
'our captain' - must have seen it a dozen times tonight. Not to be rude, but you do not represent ITFC on the field so it's irrelevant if you are capable of speaking for yourself.
Quite simply Morsy let many ITFC fans down |
I would not dispute that he has let the fans down, but he doesn't represent us. Nobody will judge me as an ITFC fan because of the actions of our Captain. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:18 - Dec 2 with 1040 views | waveneyblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:10 - Dec 2 by orfordbuoy |
'He is a human being, not a club captain'
Well, I agree with 50% of that. |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:19 - Dec 2 with 1036 views | lazyblue |
All I care about is what our superb captain does on the pitch and he has been outstanding the last 3 seasons. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:30 - Dec 2 with 962 views | FrimleyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 14:30 - Dec 2 by J2BLUE |
I find it odd how people are saying he should just go along with it and ignore the set of beliefs which probably form the foundation of his life. We cannot just demand people get over themselves and follow the rest of us.
No one who is seriously religious is going to go against their god to promote something they don't believe it. Saying oh well he should just do it is not going to work. |
He has worn football shirts with betting logos on them tho J2. If he's that set about his religious beliefs then he wouldn't wear the kits. Of course that would harm his ability to play for certain teams but you either have strong religious beliefs or you're flexible with them.
I think it's entirely upto him what he does. As he has done but I do think for that game he should not be captain. Or even tbh don't even include him in the side if he doesn't feel he can represent the club in the manager that all other players managed to. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:30 - Dec 2 with 959 views | gringoblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:54 - Dec 2 by waveneyblue |
To be clear - I think you are talking bo1locks.
The "role" doesn't include doing what you're told to do. That role probably exists in the army, in places like North Korea.
We are ALL free to choose what we support or what we believe in, so regardless what we individually think, Morsy is allowed to do what he believes is right. |
To be clear - I couldn't care less what you think. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:32 - Dec 2 with 930 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:50 - Dec 2 by NewcyBlue |
“Morsy has decided to not do a thing”
So, he’s taken action to not take action…. |
To be honest you sound like you're contradicting yourself with that line, but I'll leave it there. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:33 - Dec 2 with 915 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:32 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
To be honest you sound like you're contradicting yourself with that line, but I'll leave it there. |
Dollers.
Morsy has deliberately chosen not to do something. That’s action | |
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