| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason 14:06 - Dec 2 with 77686 views | chicoazul |
Now that the club has confirmed Morsy chose not to wear the armband, how do our LGBTQ fans feel about this?
Like I say I would continue the interesting conversation we were having but that thread is locked. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:25 - Dec 2 with 2044 views | Whos_blue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:04 - Dec 2 by Leaky |
Glad your previous thread was blocked what rainbow gay rights got to do with football . I have quite a few gay town supporters I class as good friends stop making a big issue about it live and let live. We all have various views about life. I will always support my gay friends providing they are not from north of the devide |
I don't suppose for a moment this was your intention, but it could be interpreted that your comnents also include those who chose to discriminate on the basis if race, sex, sexual orientation being able to live and let live too.
We should always call out discrimination when we see it.
That's not to say I consider Morsy's position as specifically discriminatory and I can't say I recall him saying anything to support that either. However, am I disappointed he has chosen to not wear the armband. He's an awesome skipper and seems a generally decent fella as far as I've seen, but this isn't a great look and brings unwanted attention to the club. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:25 - Dec 2 with 2039 views | gringoblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:05 - Dec 2 by Suffolktractor |
So you are saying we should not have a captain of our club who is a practising Moslem?
What message would that send out to young up and coming Moslem footballers or indeed trying to attract supporters from that faith? |
Only if an individual's interpretation of their faith means that they cannot support a campaign of LGBTQ+ inclusion in football and our club.
LGBTQ+ Muslims exist as well. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 with 1999 views | pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 with 1977 views | gringoblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:25 - Dec 2 by gringoblue |
Only if an individual's interpretation of their faith means that they cannot support a campaign of LGBTQ+ inclusion in football and our club.
LGBTQ+ Muslims exist as well. |
Some Muslim football captains who have worn the rainbow armband:
Granit Xhaka (Arsenal)
Mamadou Sakho (Crystal Palace) | | | |
| Great post, don't edit it. (n/t) on 17:48 - Dec 2 with 1884 views | Bloots |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:48 - Dec 2 with 1887 views | PassionNotAnger |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
An up-arrow isn’t sufficient to express how much I appreciate your post on every level. Your voice in this is more powerful than a bunch of straight blokes who want to shut down the conversation. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:52 - Dec 2 with 1837 views | lonepill |
Like we needed more controversy after the muppet arguing with roy keane |  | | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:57 - Dec 2 with 1792 views | Mullet |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 15:00 - Dec 2 by Blueschev |
I'm not sure I accept the religious defence of Morsy here. I'm pretty sure he had a child out of wedlock, which would suggest he's quite selective in which parts of Islam he adheres to. |
Sure but a zinah (sexual sin) isn’t interpreted as seriously as homosexuality through Shariah - which I think comes from the laws of Moses in the Old Testament.
Without looking it up it stems from Deuteronomy. Where the stoning to death punishment is given. Your point is valid but as procreation sort of trumps sins like this and Islam is patriarchal like most cultures/religions it is easier to explain away. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:58 - Dec 2 with 1774 views | GlasgowBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
Your post is well written and moving. It should end any further defence of our Captain not taking part in the Rainbow Laces campaign. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:59 - Dec 2 with 1776 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
Thank you for sharing this. You are an extremely strong person. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:03 - Dec 2 with 1710 views | Mullet |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:06 - Dec 2 by hype313 |
A good friend of mine is a gay season ticket supporting town fan, he couldn't give a monkeys chuff what armband Morsy wears. |
That’s one of the issues here isn’t it? We are all dancing around putting words in peoples mouths through assumption.
I don’t like the look of any of this, but I have Muslim friends and colleagues who I suspect would take completely opposing sides on this if you made them choose! | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:06 - Dec 2 with 1681 views | MK1 |
It wasn't headline news when we were in League 1 or the Championship. A story about nothing. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:06 - Dec 2 with 1675 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
I wish I could give you more up arrows. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:07 - Dec 2 with 1666 views | textbackup |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:06 - Dec 2 by MK1 |
It wasn't headline news when we were in League 1 or the Championship. A story about nothing. |
Weird that a PL, biggest league in the world, captain can make a story…
Views on SM wearing shirts with betting logos? As that’s a bit a tough one to argue away |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:08 - Dec 2 with 1644 views | Ryorry |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 14:30 - Dec 2 by J2BLUE |
I find it odd how people are saying he should just go along with it and ignore the set of beliefs which probably form the foundation of his life. We cannot just demand people get over themselves and follow the rest of us.
No one who is seriously religious is going to go against their god to promote something they don't believe it. Saying oh well he should just do it is not going to work. |
Quite. The problem for me is that some people don't understand that some other people are (regrettably imho) brought up by parents/family/guardians/communities with an unshakeable belief that their religion has the only "right" set of comprehensive beliefs, which should form the basis of everyone's life; and pass that mindset on to their youngsters.
Some religions are all-encompassing & very dogmatic. About 15 years ago I asked my bestie, a practising Christian, why she couldn't accept gay marriages. All she could reply was "it's against my religion". We left it there, have never discussed it since (& she's remained my bestie). Whilst the church may have changed its stance, she hasn't, but then she's in her late 70s.
Obviously Sam's only 33, but nevertheless, I can understand how someone who's grown up since babyhood in effect being brainwashed, isn't going to remotely feel able to cast off any tenet of his belief system. I think with Muslims there's a lot of close community pressure as well-- can't think of any other religion which has daily communal prayers.
Seems to me Sam was placed in an impossible situation. Damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Don't think passing the armband to another would have helped, as it would then have been that situation being discussed. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:10 - Dec 2 with 1630 views | Leaky |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 14:48 - Dec 2 by PassionNotAnger |
Apologies I normally agree with more of what you say than not but it’s a bit rich digging out the OP for causing the club trouble when it’s Morsy that had actually done that by deciding he can’t support an inclusive initiative alongside every other captain in the league.
He is putting himself first and the club have had to issue a statement because of it. Surely that’s worthy of discussion? |
So really what your saying he should wear the rainbow armband just to keep everyone happy. I wonder how many captains said the same just because it's not worth the hassle. Does that send the correct message |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:15 - Dec 2 with 1561 views | chicoazul |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
Thank you for posting friend. Yours is exactly the kind of point of view I hoped to hear. All the best for you and if you come out to your wider family and friends I hope and believe they will accept you for who you are before probably bombarding you with requests on soft furnishing choices as I did with my brother! | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:16 - Dec 2 with 1533 views | orfordbuoy |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:10 - Dec 2 by Leaky |
So really what your saying he should wear the rainbow armband just to keep everyone happy. I wonder how many captains said the same just because it's not worth the hassle. Does that send the correct message |
No. Morsy should wear it because, for just one day in the year, he is showing support for a repressed sector of our community. He is effectively saying he does not support gay rights. He has let down Ipswich Town Football Club and supporters - both of which he represents when he is on the field. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:17 - Dec 2 with 1530 views | Dubtractor |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
As others have said, don't edit this, it's a really important post. Fair play on sharing it. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:20 - Dec 2 with 1494 views | Funge |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
Tall up, pal - kudos to you several times over.
Yours is a terrific post, which deserves a much wider audience than TWTD. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:23 - Dec 2 with 1457 views | Leaky |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 15:04 - Dec 2 by Jrm_72 |
This.
Remove the word "religious" from that sentence, as its utterly irrelevant. I personally really enjoy Agatha Christie, but my favourite choice of fiction is no more valid than Sam's or anyone else's.
So the sentence becomes "our captain Sam Morsy, who has chosen not to wear the rainbow captain's armband, due to his beliefs." Which is the same as saying "Sam Morsy is a homophobe, and that's a-ok with us."
I'm ashamed. I am ashamed of my club and its captain. The club I've supported as a boy - the club of my grandfather, father, mother, brother, and two sons. A club that has now said "James, its perfectly fine for Sam Morsy to hate your brothers for who they are just because a really old book told him to."
The previous thread had some great contributions to the debate on both sides (smattered with some comically naive ones too) so its a shame it was locked. Will be even more livid than I am now if its turns out its the site acquiescing to pressure from the club again that caused it.
Human rights trumps religious freedom and has EVERYTHING to do with football. |
You could always support Celtic or Rangers if Ipswich upsets you | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:25 - Dec 2 with 1434 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 17:33 - Dec 2 by pointofblue |
I'm a member of the community who has only revealed that to be the case to one person - my best mate. I have told no one else. This is the first time I've said it on here. I don't know right now if I'll edit this or close before posting. If you're reading this it's because I have somehow held my nerve.
The reason why I am so loathed to reveal my true self is the way people treat the LGBTQIA+ community. There is still prevalent homophobic abuse, there is still a greater risk of attack for something which happened whilst growing in the womb. When speaking about the community within the family, the belief has been they'd prefer it to be kept quiet, not revealed, covered up. Heterosexual relationships? No issue at all. Promote them.
I am certain that Morsy wouldn't join in the attacks but his refusal to wear an armband feels like he believes those in the community have almost brought every piece of abuse, every violent attack, on ourselves as sinners. We are wrong, and we have done/are doing wrong. Although they may not say it, or post a reply, some will think the same on here.
This is a safer country than most for the community but there is still a lot of work to do. And valuing dogma which is thousands of years old, dictated by men within that period to suit their agenda, above those in community - especially when, as someone else indicated, most who follow a religion tend to pick and chose which criteria people should abide by, and which can be dismissed - does leave me uncomfortable and feeling like a lesser person. Something I have struggled to shift since realising who I am.
And to those trying to shut down the debate, and/or saying this thread is simply 'trolling' because it is repeated each year, come across, even though I'm sure for with most it is unitentional, as Morsy and Town's success with him in the team is far more important than equality, and those in the community should be happy being seen as lesser being simply for the sake of the club's fortunes. |
Fantastic post and I admire your bravery. I was going to post, "Has anyone asked what our LGBTIQA+ supporters think, surely they should be the judge on this?" but you've saved me from asking that.
I just wanted to add, for my part I didn't want to shut down the conversation, I just felt that everything had been said over and over, and the OP is a well-known 'controversy' poster, so I would question his motives on any subject. I'd rather hear your views, and I'm glad we now have.
It's a shame Morsy's inaction makes you feel a lesser person, which you certainly aren't. I will bow to your view as it's only the view of yourself and others in the community that matters.
Thanks for holding your nerve and let's hope things continue to improve as they largely have done. [Post edited 2 Dec 2024 18:27]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:26 - Dec 2 with 1414 views | pointofblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:10 - Dec 2 by Leaky |
So really what your saying he should wear the rainbow armband just to keep everyone happy. I wonder how many captains said the same just because it's not worth the hassle. Does that send the correct message |
The hassle? | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:26 - Dec 2 with 1415 views | NewcyBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 18:23 - Dec 2 by Leaky |
You could always support Celtic or Rangers if Ipswich upsets you |
Intolerance is unacceptable.
It really is that simple. What is that you find difficult to understand? | |
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