| Delap to Arsenal ? 20:57 - May 7 with 10021 views | Pippin1970 |
Approaching Ipswich representatives to sign, next to experienced striker. Not sure how true. [Post edited 7 May 21:19]
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:25 - May 8 with 1251 views | victorysquad |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:20 - May 8 by Benters |
I hope he doesn’t go to West Ham I have heard through my HP sauce Cresswell will be part of the deal. [Post edited 8 May 7:27]
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For the sale of the club, anyone wanting out we need to get out asap, there is only a small window as it is for us and we do not want this dragging into August | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:27 - May 8 with 1242 views | muhrensleftfoot |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:27 - May 8 by mikeybloo88 |
I disagree...I think it’ll be great fun to watch this conclude. Doesn’t affect us as we know he isn’t staying and we know how much money we’ll have to work with. I know that he may not have chosen to come to us if we’d set a higher release clause, but still can’t help feeling it was poor foresight (and wonderful hindsight) to only make it £30m. |
The £30m release clause probably didn't seem such a poor decision at the time. Remember that Delap had just moderate success on loan in the Championship, in a season blighted by injury. A raw talent, very much unproven. Indeed, if Hirst had been fit at the start of the season, Delap likely wouldn't have been first choice. [Post edited 8 May 7:31]
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:27 - May 8 with 1240 views | Benters |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:25 - May 8 by victorysquad |
For the sale of the club, anyone wanting out we need to get out asap, there is only a small window as it is for us and we do not want this dragging into August |
Exactly need to hit the ground running. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:30 - May 8 with 1231 views | Benters |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:24 - May 8 by WestStanderLaLaLa |
35 year old Cresswell, who will be out of contract in June. Seems unlikely. |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:39 - May 8 with 1190 views | Dubtractor |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:39 - May 8 by SheffordBlue |
I think that in many of our transfer dealings last summer we probably weren't in the strongest position to dictate terms. If Delap's representatives were looking out for his interests they may have insisted on a relatively low release clause with the view that we were likely to be relegated.
At the time we signed him it looked like Ioannidis has turned us down and other targets like Broja weren't looking like they'd happen quickly. |
On the terms thing, worth bearing in mind that the club will have expected relegation wage drops in contracts, so a minimum fee release is just a trade off against that in the players favour.
Both parties looking to protect themselves. |  |
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| Delao to Arsenal ? on 07:42 - May 8 with 1176 views | textbackup |
| Delao to Arsenal ? on 21:05 - May 7 by J2BLUE |
I'm sure they are. I've been saying for ages he's the ideal #2 striker. I still think City might change their minds on signing him back.
If his agent hasn't been contacted by at least 8 clubs in the top half of the Prem I would be amazed. |
I bet he ends up somewhere really boring, like Everton. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:50 - May 8 with 1131 views | Herbivore |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:48 - May 8 by Len_Brennan |
In which case he would have signed for Southampton, and we would have really struggled to have a proper centre forward available when kicking off the season. Ioannidis turned down a number of offers, so we may have been forced into agreeing a deal for Broja, despite the injury concerns. Perhaps we would have gone for Latte Lathe earlier, or paid a ridiculous fee for Eddie Nketiah.
We'll get £30m for him, so around £10m profit as presumably most of the add on will have been met. As Man City have a 20% sell on, which normally works on the profit amount, which leaves us with £8m clear profit.
Of course had we managed to stay up, which was very much in the thoughts of the manager & the board, none of this conversation would be relevant, as the club only agreed to the release clause in the event of us being relegated. [Post edited 8 May 6:53]
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Why would most of the add ons be met? After one season here in which we've been relegated and he's not won senior international honours, I find it hard to believe that he'd have triggered all the add ons in the deal. I'd be surprised if many of them have been triggered given his short stay and our failure to stay up. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:53 - May 8 with 1121 views | Herbivore |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 22:05 - May 7 by ArnieM |
That's why they're all clamouring after him. It's dirt cheap. It's not a good deal for Town, given what the going rate is for a PL striker is it. |
It depends on how you look at it. If you look very narrowly at the here and now and look at what Delap could be worth then it doesn't look like brilliant business, but that requires a lot of hindsight. If you look at it from the lens of us taking a punt on an unproven player at Prem level for £15m - a fee most of our fans thought was too high for him - with a guarantee we more or less double our money on him if we go down, it doesn't look quite so bad. Especially when you also factor in he had interest from elsewhere so had leverage in negotiating the sell on clause. It's frustrating because he's massively exceeded expectations and we won't get full market value for him, but when you look at the context I don't agree it's the terrible deal lots of people like to paint it as. It is what it is. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:01 - May 8 with 1095 views | Len_Brennan |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 07:50 - May 8 by Herbivore |
Why would most of the add ons be met? After one season here in which we've been relegated and he's not won senior international honours, I find it hard to believe that he'd have triggered all the add ons in the deal. I'd be surprised if many of them have been triggered given his short stay and our failure to stay up. |
Fair enough; I was loking at getting to the likely minimum net profit figure that we'll end up with, so erring on the side of caution.
I do think that most of the add ons will relate to league appearances though, & maybe goals scored, but almost certainly there will be something for avoiding relegation, and perhaps making an appearance for England, but that would not have been seen as a likely prospect this early, when the contract was being negotiated. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:22 - May 8 with 1025 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:27 - May 8 by mikeybloo88 |
I disagree...I think it’ll be great fun to watch this conclude. Doesn’t affect us as we know he isn’t staying and we know how much money we’ll have to work with. I know that he may not have chosen to come to us if we’d set a higher release clause, but still can’t help feeling it was poor foresight (and wonderful hindsight) to only make it £30m. |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:36 - May 8 with 980 views | Smoresy |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:39 - May 8 by PioneerBlue |
The fact he’s not been a starter since we were technically relegated might be the give away here in terms of when the talks could really start. Either he goes or he stays, they are the options. I don’t really care which club it is if he leaves as long as it’s done early as possible. |
He's started our last two games but I don't put that forward as evidence he's staying lol.
If his preferred club needs to wait until next year's financial accounts then that may be advantageous for future spending, as the profit would still be relevant in 27/28. I don't see disruption from him staying into July because he's definitely leaving, so we may plan and do business with that certainty. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:44 - May 8 with 962 views | Pinewoodblue |
Good job Delap will be needed for Euro U21 finals in June otherwise he might have been involved in June’s friendly against Senegal which presumably would have triggered a payment to Man City. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:56 - May 8 with 926 views | darkhorse28 |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 21:51 - May 7 by Lord_Lucan |
So, he has a release clause of £30m
Why do people think it stops at £30m? Could it go up and up or is the idea it's £30m and he chooses where to go with a massive signing on fee? |
I’m afraid no club will pay a penny more. Why would you, and have less to pay Delap and his agents to get the deal over the line. All the value in the deal now sits with Delap and his agents, they are the ones who can benefit from any competition, not us.
The article says as much. None of these clubs are talking to us. They don’t need to, the know the fee, and they’ll all meet it, it’s a bargain. They just need to compete for his signature.
Will be the most money offered, where he gets time on the pitch, if still assume Utd or Everton would actually be a better fit, against a low low block, with slower build up I’m not sure will suit him.
When we signed him, no bigger clubs were linked, we didn’t do a very good deal, we clearly didn’t see his potential or think he’d fulfil it so quickly…, when you see Hutch release is £35 million, and how they have done this season, it’s obvious as a club we got that very wrong.
We need to improve massively off the pitch…, this level is world class decision making, world class deals, world class networks, and we can buy and bring in the off the field talent we need, we have the resources, but there’s a clear issue somewhere.
We’ve left maybe £30 million on the table on this deal, maybe another £50 million in some of the poor talent ID. This is where we need the focus, where Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford are so much better…., we still don’t have the right bums of the right seats to be in those conversations.
I’d trust the owners though…., I think they ‘get it’ | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:10 - May 8 with 885 views | Leaky |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:39 - May 8 by PioneerBlue |
The fact he’s not been a starter since we were technically relegated might be the give away here in terms of when the talks could really start. Either he goes or he stays, they are the options. I don’t really care which club it is if he leaves as long as it’s done early as possible. |
He started against Everton |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:12 - May 8 with 882 views | gramps |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 21:40 - May 7 by SitfcB |
Any chance he stays? |
With all our parachute money why don't we sell him to ourselves for 30 million, no actual outlay of money, give him a big new contract and then sell him on with no release clause? not sure if this is possible or legal with FFP! |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:15 - May 8 with 864 views | NedPlimpton |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:12 - May 8 by gramps |
With all our parachute money why don't we sell him to ourselves for 30 million, no actual outlay of money, give him a big new contract and then sell him on with no release clause? not sure if this is possible or legal with FFP! |
Can't imagine he's going to want to sign a contract without a release clause. He obviously wanted one at the time when his stock wasn't anywhere near as high, so why wouldn't he want one now??
I think people need to be realistic here! |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:24 - May 8 with 832 views | Metal_Hacker |
Seems we’ve been bent over but we could make this slightly better in our favour perhaps
Sell on clause from the buying club , England appearances bonus to us , pick of a season long loan player(s) from buying club
We’ve got to make this work for us as well |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:29 - May 8 with 812 views | NedPlimpton |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:24 - May 8 by Metal_Hacker |
Seems we’ve been bent over but we could make this slightly better in our favour perhaps
Sell on clause from the buying club , England appearances bonus to us , pick of a season long loan player(s) from buying club
We’ve got to make this work for us as well |
Surely those sorts of extras would already be agreed as part of Delap's release clause
Otherwise what's the point of a release clause, if the selling club are just going to whack a load of other clauses on top! | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:33 - May 8 with 782 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:32 - May 8 by Battersea_Blue |
The club has not stated exactly what this "release" clause is and they haven't stated it's £30m.
As a businessman, I wouldn't sign an unproven player at this level for £20m (or whatever it was that we paid City) and include a clause that the maximum we could get is £30m. I might sign a clause that said if someone bids £30m it triggers a potential sale at that figure, but then it opens up the possibility of increased offers from elsewhere and obviously the player's potential acceptance of any acceptable deal to the club.
I would seriously question our CEO's business acumen if the contract states that the maximum we can get for him is £30m. |
The £30m release clause (if it's that) will have come from Delap's side, and Ashton probably didn't have any choice in the matter (other than to walk away). |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:37 - May 8 with 764 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:39 - May 8 by SheffordBlue |
I think that in many of our transfer dealings last summer we probably weren't in the strongest position to dictate terms. If Delap's representatives were looking out for his interests they may have insisted on a relatively low release clause with the view that we were likely to be relegated.
At the time we signed him it looked like Ioannidis has turned us down and other targets like Broja weren't looking like they'd happen quickly. |
I actually think at the time it was made, £30m for Delap wasn't particularly low. He'd scored a lot at youth level but hadn't pulled up any trees in the Championship, never mind the Prem.
A lot of the comments now are made with a massive dollop of hindsight. | |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:37 - May 8 with 763 views | thebooks |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 08:56 - May 8 by darkhorse28 |
I’m afraid no club will pay a penny more. Why would you, and have less to pay Delap and his agents to get the deal over the line. All the value in the deal now sits with Delap and his agents, they are the ones who can benefit from any competition, not us.
The article says as much. None of these clubs are talking to us. They don’t need to, the know the fee, and they’ll all meet it, it’s a bargain. They just need to compete for his signature.
Will be the most money offered, where he gets time on the pitch, if still assume Utd or Everton would actually be a better fit, against a low low block, with slower build up I’m not sure will suit him.
When we signed him, no bigger clubs were linked, we didn’t do a very good deal, we clearly didn’t see his potential or think he’d fulfil it so quickly…, when you see Hutch release is £35 million, and how they have done this season, it’s obvious as a club we got that very wrong.
We need to improve massively off the pitch…, this level is world class decision making, world class deals, world class networks, and we can buy and bring in the off the field talent we need, we have the resources, but there’s a clear issue somewhere.
We’ve left maybe £30 million on the table on this deal, maybe another £50 million in some of the poor talent ID. This is where we need the focus, where Brighton, Bournemouth, Brentford are so much better…., we still don’t have the right bums of the right seats to be in those conversations.
I’d trust the owners though…., I think they ‘get it’ |
I don’t think the Hutchinson comparison is quite right. Omari came off a season where he was probably the best attacking midfielder in the Championship. Delap did relatively little at Hull – hence his relatively low cost.
I would imagine a minimum release clause is standard for any player. We paid £15m – doubling the money in a year probably seemed fair enough, and the thinking was probably that he wouldn’t have quite a good a season as he has had. It now seems bad because we’ve turned him into a world class striker.
You don’t become Brighton off the pitch in two seasons from an under-invested League One team.
I expect the plan was to assemble a squad of high potential players, take a punt on staying up and keep them should we get relegated, making us a strong Champ team. That all worked as planned, except with one of them showing even more potential and actual talent. |  | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:45 - May 8 with 731 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 06:48 - May 8 by Len_Brennan |
In which case he would have signed for Southampton, and we would have really struggled to have a proper centre forward available when kicking off the season. Ioannidis turned down a number of offers, so we may have been forced into agreeing a deal for Broja, despite the injury concerns. Perhaps we would have gone for Latte Lathe earlier, or paid a ridiculous fee for Eddie Nketiah.
We'll get £30m for him, so around £10m profit as presumably most of the add on will have been met. As Man City have a 20% sell on, which normally works on the profit amount, which leaves us with £8m clear profit.
Of course had we managed to stay up, which was very much in the thoughts of the manager & the board, none of this conversation would be relevant, as the club only agreed to the release clause in the event of us being relegated. [Post edited 8 May 6:53]
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If we had stayed up, the release clause would have been £40m. |  |
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| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:48 - May 8 with 722 views | OldFart71 |
Surely Delaps price baring City's intervention would depend on how many clubs are interested in him.
Whilst he hasn't perhaps hit the heights of the Chelsea performance lately perhaps a lot of that is because he's been a lone target man and has been isolated because the team has been under pressure most games and unable to get out of defence.
All the more reason we need to strengthen our midfield. | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:57 - May 8 with 688 views | NedPlimpton |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:48 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Surely Delaps price baring City's intervention would depend on how many clubs are interested in him.
Whilst he hasn't perhaps hit the heights of the Chelsea performance lately perhaps a lot of that is because he's been a lone target man and has been isolated because the team has been under pressure most games and unable to get out of defence.
All the more reason we need to strengthen our midfield. |
Have you not read any of the rest of this thread?
Delap's price is unfortunately dictated by his release clause, so it doesn't matter how many clubs are interested in him as all they need to do, in order to begin contract negotiations with him, is match his release clause
I really don't understand why people are finding this so hard? Release clauses have been around for decades. It's how Man City were able to get Haaland for just over £50m when he was worth probably double that. Also why Arsenal bid £40m + £1 for Luis Suarez. Albeit he decided to stay | | | |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:58 - May 8 with 683 views | Herbivore |
| Delap to Arsenal ? on 09:48 - May 8 by OldFart71 |
Surely Delaps price baring City's intervention would depend on how many clubs are interested in him.
Whilst he hasn't perhaps hit the heights of the Chelsea performance lately perhaps a lot of that is because he's been a lone target man and has been isolated because the team has been under pressure most games and unable to get out of defence.
All the more reason we need to strengthen our midfield. |
If the relegation release clause is as has been reported, his price will be £30m regardless of how many clubs are interested in him. | |
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