| KOA podcast is out 17:51 - Mar 31 with 7176 views | NedPlimpton |
And they are not holding back
Right from the off you get a sense of how angry and let down they feel by the club. Still feeling there are questions to be answered
Glad it's just Mark and Stuart. Not sure Ross and AJ would have done the subject justice |  | | |  |
| KOA podcast is out on 22:19 - Mar 31 with 977 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| KOA podcast is out on 21:55 - Mar 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't understand. The BM boys gave their opinion. Maybe it didn't agree with yours but it was fair and even handed. If what they said was how they feel, then fair enough. I tended to agree with their take. I don't see why they should make up an opinon just to make others feel better. |
I dont really think they did give an opinion, they were very neutral.
Its OK to disagree. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 22:39 - Mar 31 with 875 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| KOA podcast is out on 22:19 - Mar 31 by Marshalls_Mullet |
I dont really think they did give an opinion, they were very neutral.
Its OK to disagree. |
Maybe their opinion is very neutral. Which is as ok as any of the more extreme opinions. Things don't have to be black or white.
I thought they gave very honest appraisals. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 22:48 - Mar 31 with 846 views | Chris_ITFC |
| KOA podcast is out on 18:26 - Mar 31 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
It is their first pod on the topic since they were lied to by the club. A club I imagine they have done a lot for in terms of holding back on stories etc.
Not sure making one podcast on something so serious is dragging it out. |
If I was to think of a realistic, achievable, justifiable protest, it would be the local media empty-chairing press conferences from this point on. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 22:52 - Mar 31 with 838 views | Churchman |
Thank you for posting this gtsb. I’ve listened to the 40 mins on this and it was both interesting and insightful. Did I agree with every bit of it? No, but with that much content that was never going to happen. I’ll put this very simply.
I take people at their word. Until they break it. Then they are dead to me. Apologies? Great but tbh, I’m not very interested in cheap words. I’m deeply suspicious of media too because I know what they are. The problem is there has been a cover up, a hope it goes away, misinformation - sanitising phrases. Call it as it is. They’ve/he’s lied.
I now accept thinking it through that the club has to and should engage with politicians to a certain degree, particularly sitting MPs as KOA pointed out. But it should be on the club’s terms at a time and place of their choosing in a way that protects the club. It comes first.
Ashton has done overall a really great job for this club. He’s steered it from wreckage to something a whole lot better. But he’s lied and nobody is indispensable.
Solution? For the sake of the reputation of the football club, he’s got to go. Now or at seasons end? I really don’t know. What is in the best interested of the club? Who takes over? Questions, no answers but a restructure is required.
KOA don’t think the owners were aware but have held a Board Meeting. I suspect something will happen quite quickly after Easter if not before. |  | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 22:54 - Mar 31 with 837 views | Libero |
Just listened to the whole pod - now *that's* how you discuss a club crisis. Absolute night and day between that and what I listened to on Blue Monday yesterday. |  | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 22:57 - Mar 31 with 801 views | Libero |
| KOA podcast is out on 18:05 - Mar 31 by Herbivore |
Who came out with this 40 people line? It's aged terribly. |
In fairness Mark was under a lot of pressure, it wasn't his best work, but he'd already tried telling fibs and that didn't work either. | | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 23:00 - Mar 31 with 787 views | Libero |
| KOA podcast is out on 19:58 - Mar 31 by Garv |
Why should Blue Monday have felt obligated to cover it at all, let alone take any particular side?
I'm struggling not to really judge anyone who is having a go at them* during all this. As I said on another thread, they're a group of fans who talk about football matches as a hobby.
*Not that you've exactly gone in hard on them, but some have. |
Naive - it's a monetised business. | | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 23:10 - Mar 31 with 738 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| KOA podcast is out on 22:39 - Mar 31 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe their opinion is very neutral. Which is as ok as any of the more extreme opinions. Things don't have to be black or white.
I thought they gave very honest appraisals. |
Happy to agree to differ. | |
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| KOA podcast is out on 00:23 - Apr 1 with 639 views | grow_our_own |
BM omitted facts. Didn't mention the the gifting of shirts, nor the lunch with Ashton & Werhun. Dismissed New York Times' sources as hearsay like they're a downmarket tabloid. That's not your or my take on BM's opinion, that's listening.
Big news to come from KoA is American owners knew nothing in advance of Reform's publicity event, they aren't MAGA, they aren't impressed, and an Emergency Board Meeting has taken place. I hope they do the right thing to bring about closure: sack Ashton. |  | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 03:33 - Apr 1 with 535 views | Illinoisblue |
| KOA podcast is out on 00:23 - Apr 1 by grow_our_own |
BM omitted facts. Didn't mention the the gifting of shirts, nor the lunch with Ashton & Werhun. Dismissed New York Times' sources as hearsay like they're a downmarket tabloid. That's not your or my take on BM's opinion, that's listening.
Big news to come from KoA is American owners knew nothing in advance of Reform's publicity event, they aren't MAGA, they aren't impressed, and an Emergency Board Meeting has taken place. I hope they do the right thing to bring about closure: sack Ashton. |
If the outcome of the emergency board meeting was: “hey Mark, you need to make a public apology” that suggests Ashton gets to at least ride this out until end of season. The healthy profit in the accounts probably won’t hurt his cause either. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 03:55 - Apr 1 with 524 views | IPS_wich |
Excellent take on the situation and has validated for me that the big issue at the end of the day is the Chair/CEO/Club treating its fans and local journos as complete mugs initially, then the bare faced lies and then the BS of an apology.
I can't stand Farage, but with the passage of time I'm sure I could have moved on. But, the Club has broken its contract with the fans and that I can't forgive lightly.
One other sad thing from the Pod, is Stu talking about how he tried to advise a good mate to come clean only for that plea to fall on deaf ears. He and Andy Warren were a great double act for years and even if (as I assume) Warren has been told to tow the party line you can hear in his voice how hurt Stu is.
And as the OP stated - thank god that idiot Ross wasn't involved in this pod - he drags KOA down even when the subject has some levity. | | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 04:55 - Apr 1 with 492 views | nrb1985 |
| KOA podcast is out on 18:28 - Mar 31 by SitfcB |
Perhaps they should have done it sooner then. |
Tit. | | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 05:38 - Apr 1 with 456 views | TheMoralMajority |
| KOA podcast is out on 04:55 - Apr 1 by nrb1985 |
Tit. |
I'm shutting up about all this now, but I will leave this as my last word on the matter (no promises, the rage may well hit me again).
It was a good pod. Like others, I do not fully agree with all of it, but it was nice for Stuart to go through the list of points (bought the shirts: true, lied to press and fans: true, etc. etc.) and feel somewhat vindicated.
However, my main takeaway is that I don't think Ashton is going to go. I think the ownership and him are too ingrained. Obviously, that saddens me, as all the love and excitement that has built back up for this football club over the last 4 years has been completely destroyed (still love the team, the manager and the players. Just not the entire operation as I did 1 week ago).
The other takeaway I took is that for all of the "blame the fans, they are hurting the team" narrative going around, it looks to me like Ashton is going to throw McKenna under the bus over this. Watson has made it clear he will be asking about it in the presser (even if he believes it will be flat-batted) and the reason is that this is the only avenue that our club's leadership has left open to him. Ashton will not talk to the press, so what is Watson meant to do? I don't like it. I want the focus to be on the team, but I do understand it.
For those that think this is all a mountain out of a molehill: if it makes you feel better to blame me, and other fans, for feeling that we have been totally betrayed and lied to by the leadership, and that is what is likely to impact the team, then more for you. The leadership could *still* get in front of this. They won't. As such, McKenna and the team are left picking up the pieces. I do try to respect your views, but if you think I am the problem, then I fear your ire is misplaced. But you are welcome to blame who you please.
My final word is: Mark Ashton is a coward and a liar and is a stain on our club. Everything good he has done before is totally undermined by his actions over the last week. The actions of a total snake and entirely of his own doing. I find it unlikely I will be able to love the club as much as I did until he is gone. I will, however, always love this club. [Post edited 1 Apr 5:59]
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| KOA podcast is out on 06:57 - Apr 1 with 354 views | hype313 |
That was excellent by Mark and Stuart.
The key point I took from that was that the ownership were unaware and unimpressed, which then meant an emergency board meeting was had.
Can't see Ashton surviving the collosal amount of lies he's told.
Sounds to me like his ego has got out of hand, he's got a god complex and the ownership are not happy at all. Rightly so.
Shame to hear long standing relationships might be at jeopardy too, I can't imagine Andy Warren being happy with all of this. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 07:08 - Apr 1 with 328 views | Herbivore |
| KOA podcast is out on 20:05 - Mar 31 by lazyblue |
No you wouldn’t |
You have an amazing talent that you should try and monetise somehow. For the last week you've had a better understanding of how people should feel than the people themselves, now in just one week your talent has progressed to the point that you now know how people actually feel better than they do themselves. Incredible stuff. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 07:11 - Apr 1 with 309 views | lazyblue |
| KOA podcast is out on 22:52 - Mar 31 by Churchman |
Thank you for posting this gtsb. I’ve listened to the 40 mins on this and it was both interesting and insightful. Did I agree with every bit of it? No, but with that much content that was never going to happen. I’ll put this very simply.
I take people at their word. Until they break it. Then they are dead to me. Apologies? Great but tbh, I’m not very interested in cheap words. I’m deeply suspicious of media too because I know what they are. The problem is there has been a cover up, a hope it goes away, misinformation - sanitising phrases. Call it as it is. They’ve/he’s lied.
I now accept thinking it through that the club has to and should engage with politicians to a certain degree, particularly sitting MPs as KOA pointed out. But it should be on the club’s terms at a time and place of their choosing in a way that protects the club. It comes first.
Ashton has done overall a really great job for this club. He’s steered it from wreckage to something a whole lot better. But he’s lied and nobody is indispensable.
Solution? For the sake of the reputation of the football club, he’s got to go. Now or at seasons end? I really don’t know. What is in the best interested of the club? Who takes over? Questions, no answers but a restructure is required.
KOA don’t think the owners were aware but have held a Board Meeting. I suspect something will happen quite quickly after Easter if not before. |
You don’t think every business owner or CEO/ Chairman as ever lied at some point, I’m sorry you live in a very naive world then, | | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 07:28 - Apr 1 with 284 views | bluelagos |
| KOA podcast is out on 06:57 - Apr 1 by hype313 |
That was excellent by Mark and Stuart.
The key point I took from that was that the ownership were unaware and unimpressed, which then meant an emergency board meeting was had.
Can't see Ashton surviving the collosal amount of lies he's told.
Sounds to me like his ego has got out of hand, he's got a god complex and the ownership are not happy at all. Rightly so.
Shame to hear long standing relationships might be at jeopardy too, I can't imagine Andy Warren being happy with all of this. |
I think it's reassuring as I was thinking we seem to have an ownership structure unable to quickly convene and consider appropriate actions. Still think it a bit slow but at least it does function.
And the "apology" is looking like it was made after that which (filling in some gaps) explains why it was so unauthentic...he was probably told to make it.
It does of course beg the question as to whether they think the apology was sufficient or whether (as many believe) it wasn't and there's now no coming back.
Ultimately I still think it comes down to the financials. Sponsorship deals not matching potential values will not go unnoticed, and nor should it. It means less money for the club and less money for the team. Unforgivable and all on Ashton. [Post edited 1 Apr 7:36]
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| KOA podcast is out on 07:34 - Apr 1 with 257 views | NthQldITFC |
| KOA podcast is out on 05:38 - Apr 1 by TheMoralMajority |
I'm shutting up about all this now, but I will leave this as my last word on the matter (no promises, the rage may well hit me again).
It was a good pod. Like others, I do not fully agree with all of it, but it was nice for Stuart to go through the list of points (bought the shirts: true, lied to press and fans: true, etc. etc.) and feel somewhat vindicated.
However, my main takeaway is that I don't think Ashton is going to go. I think the ownership and him are too ingrained. Obviously, that saddens me, as all the love and excitement that has built back up for this football club over the last 4 years has been completely destroyed (still love the team, the manager and the players. Just not the entire operation as I did 1 week ago).
The other takeaway I took is that for all of the "blame the fans, they are hurting the team" narrative going around, it looks to me like Ashton is going to throw McKenna under the bus over this. Watson has made it clear he will be asking about it in the presser (even if he believes it will be flat-batted) and the reason is that this is the only avenue that our club's leadership has left open to him. Ashton will not talk to the press, so what is Watson meant to do? I don't like it. I want the focus to be on the team, but I do understand it.
For those that think this is all a mountain out of a molehill: if it makes you feel better to blame me, and other fans, for feeling that we have been totally betrayed and lied to by the leadership, and that is what is likely to impact the team, then more for you. The leadership could *still* get in front of this. They won't. As such, McKenna and the team are left picking up the pieces. I do try to respect your views, but if you think I am the problem, then I fear your ire is misplaced. But you are welcome to blame who you please.
My final word is: Mark Ashton is a coward and a liar and is a stain on our club. Everything good he has done before is totally undermined by his actions over the last week. The actions of a total snake and entirely of his own doing. I find it unlikely I will be able to love the club as much as I did until he is gone. I will, however, always love this club. [Post edited 1 Apr 5:59]
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Very well put indeed. That captures my position almost exactly.
I'd be a bit stronger on how good I thought the KoA podcast was - excellent - and a little more hopeful that the owners will sever the link, but in a more careful and slower way (in order to bring in a top grade replacement or two) than I would have done myself - which would be sensible and not so emotional. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 08:41 - Apr 1 with 143 views | Wright1 |
| KOA podcast is out on 19:11 - Mar 31 by ITFCson |
I just hope those that still wont let it go and even talking of protests/chants realise that by doing that then it could filter through to the team.
Maybe changes will happen but now if they are to happen it will likely be in the summer we should be fully concentrating on the football.
We are at the business end of the season, would be a real shame if a certain group of supporters driven by politics contributed to a derailment of our promotion push. |
This is so wrong.
Frankly if it "filters through to the team" (as if all the extra attention, controversy and national press brought on by our senior management team won't have already) so be it. The fans didn't create this situation. It is our club and we don't have to just swallow it.
If the season derails now it will be because of Ashton and Co. not the fans. | | | |
| KOA podcast is out on 08:43 - Apr 1 with 133 views | DanTheMan |
| KOA podcast is out on 18:15 - Mar 31 by GlasgowBlue |
I don't know. I've only seen it mentioned in here. One of the replies to my tweet the other day mentioned TWTD.
"Trolling? That's because of TWTD not Ashton. The mob of sick, woke retards. Who are they to judge Ashton or Farage? Angels, pristine angels?" |
I'm sure the person who said that is just a lovely chap... |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 08:53 - Apr 1 with 97 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| KOA podcast is out on 05:38 - Apr 1 by TheMoralMajority |
I'm shutting up about all this now, but I will leave this as my last word on the matter (no promises, the rage may well hit me again).
It was a good pod. Like others, I do not fully agree with all of it, but it was nice for Stuart to go through the list of points (bought the shirts: true, lied to press and fans: true, etc. etc.) and feel somewhat vindicated.
However, my main takeaway is that I don't think Ashton is going to go. I think the ownership and him are too ingrained. Obviously, that saddens me, as all the love and excitement that has built back up for this football club over the last 4 years has been completely destroyed (still love the team, the manager and the players. Just not the entire operation as I did 1 week ago).
The other takeaway I took is that for all of the "blame the fans, they are hurting the team" narrative going around, it looks to me like Ashton is going to throw McKenna under the bus over this. Watson has made it clear he will be asking about it in the presser (even if he believes it will be flat-batted) and the reason is that this is the only avenue that our club's leadership has left open to him. Ashton will not talk to the press, so what is Watson meant to do? I don't like it. I want the focus to be on the team, but I do understand it.
For those that think this is all a mountain out of a molehill: if it makes you feel better to blame me, and other fans, for feeling that we have been totally betrayed and lied to by the leadership, and that is what is likely to impact the team, then more for you. The leadership could *still* get in front of this. They won't. As such, McKenna and the team are left picking up the pieces. I do try to respect your views, but if you think I am the problem, then I fear your ire is misplaced. But you are welcome to blame who you please.
My final word is: Mark Ashton is a coward and a liar and is a stain on our club. Everything good he has done before is totally undermined by his actions over the last week. The actions of a total snake and entirely of his own doing. I find it unlikely I will be able to love the club as much as I did until he is gone. I will, however, always love this club. [Post edited 1 Apr 5:59]
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Good post.
To me, honesty matters. I pump a lot of money in to Ipswich Town Football Club. In the grand scheme of things it may not be loads to the club, but to me and others on here it is. If I am doing that, the least I expect is to be treated with respect by the club in return. Ashton was content in lying to the fans and that SHOULD make everyone angry.
Clearly some people are fine with that, and that is their choice to make, but I am not. |  |
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| KOA podcast is out on 08:57 - Apr 1 with 71 views | Bellevue_Blue |
| KOA podcast is out on 08:41 - Apr 1 by Wright1 |
This is so wrong.
Frankly if it "filters through to the team" (as if all the extra attention, controversy and national press brought on by our senior management team won't have already) so be it. The fans didn't create this situation. It is our club and we don't have to just swallow it.
If the season derails now it will be because of Ashton and Co. not the fans. |
We all know there is a big difference between them being impacted a couple of weeks before the game via the media and in the stadium whilst playing.
We as fans have a duty to create the best atmosphere possible in order to support the players and staff on the pitch to hopefully achieve promotion.
If there is toxic chanting in the stadium on Monday and that impacts the team, that will be entirely the fault of the fans.
Complain over email, write to Ashton etc etc but I hope when most fans get to PR on Monday they will put their grievances with MA behind them and do their utmost to create a brilliant positive atmosphere. [Post edited 1 Apr 9:11]
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| KOA podcast is out on 09:06 - Apr 1 with 51 views | DJR |
| KOA podcast is out on 07:11 - Apr 1 by lazyblue |
You don’t think every business owner or CEO/ Chairman as ever lied at some point, I’m sorry you live in a very naive world then, |
That may or may not be true but we are talking about a club whose standards ought to be based on those of the Cobbolds. |  | | |
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