| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:08 - Jun 2 with 732 views | MattinLondon |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:05 - Jun 2 by RetroBlue |
problem is , he will always be known as a cheat now . Thats his reputation shot I think... |
I doubt it - if he stays there and he does a very good job then he’ll be in demand and spygate would've been forgotten about. |  | |  |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:09 - Jun 2 with 729 views | Broadbent23 |
As I see it a club who stands by a cheating manager will be criticized hugely next season. And the mud will stick for years. Probably a lot of players will not want to stick with the club and are actively looking for transfers. Supporters robbed of promotion will think twice about supporting their club. As with previous clubs hit by scandals, quick decisions have to be made. Sales day coming to Southampton FC soon. |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:26 - Jun 2 with 685 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 09:49 - Jun 2 by JammyDodgerrr |
Every single time they speak, they make it worse. Good grief. |
100%, the statements were woeful.
Never spoil an apology with an excuse (or blatant lie). |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:31 - Jun 2 with 658 views | VanDusen |
I doubt he'll be there by next season. If you were Soton chairman believing you've just lost out on £200m (pretty presumptuous, but clear that's what they think), then are you going to sack him on some sort of internal misconduct charges and risk a lengthy legal process where all sorts could come out about how much the club knew. Or are you going to wait for the authorities to ban him and then get out of things compensation-free - not to mention not paying top dollar for a new manager for a month or two? | | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:32 - Jun 2 with 655 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:26 - Jun 2 by Marshalls_Mullet |
100%, the statements were woeful.
Never spoil an apology with an excuse (or blatant lie). |
I can think of someone else who could do with that lesson! |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:49 - Jun 2 with 600 views | rkc123 |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 09:15 - Jun 2 by football |
This is obviously clear they all knew about it so they can't sack him or he'll squeal! Discusitng scummy club
Go and get them FA |
If the FA are smart about this now they will take all the time they need to investigate and make a decision, offer amnesty to people within the club for information and really find out how often this happened and who was ultimately responsible. As others have said, Southampton higher ups clearly can't sack him as they knew what was going on, so if the FA really want to do damage then let their investigation drag to the eve of next season then issue the punishments. | | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:09 - Jun 2 with 560 views | Guthrum |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 08:14 - Jun 2 by Churchman |
So the owner’s defence is whataboutery. I.e diving has more impact than spying. Obviously he and his rotten club still don’t get it and so must be utterly complicit.
‘The punishment that the club received was severe and completely disproportionate to the mistake that we made. We lost our chance to win £200m’.
Firstly it was not a mistake it was an action that broke specific rules to gain an advantage. Secondly, that action could have cost Ipswich Town £200m through no fault of their own. That it didn’t is irrelevant. Same for Middlesbrough, though you could argue that the furore affected their dismal efforts against Hull.
They broke the rules and cheated. They clearly knew they were doing it otherwise the intern would not have scuttled away.
They also have a bullying culture within the club which I suspect goes beyond kicking around interns. Ok, maybe most clubs are like that, but this is the first time I’ve seen a light shone on it in quite this way.
If they are stupid enough to retain Tonda the stain around Southampton will not go away. In fact it may become permanent.
Their punishment has actually been a measly 4 points. Nothing. Scumbag club - for what they did, relegate them. [Post edited 2 Jun 8:16]
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Plus the bit about the manager and several of the analysts being foreign so they couldn't be expected to understand the rules governing English football. In what other profession would that be acceptable? |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:14 - Jun 2 with 546 views | Ryorry |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:09 - Jun 2 by Guthrum |
Plus the bit about the manager and several of the analysts being foreign so they couldn't be expected to understand the rules governing English football. In what other profession would that be acceptable? |
That's the richest excuse of the lot. "No we weren't cheating, we were just completely ignorant and unprofessional to an extent that would have been unacceptable even at Sunday League level".
Laughable. |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:18 - Jun 2 with 539 views | SuffolkPunchFC |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 09:55 - Jun 2 by Ryorry |
Haha - yes, re your last para.
Going by reports from others re their forum now as opposed to when I read it at the time of the POF, looks like their fans’ mentality has shifted; or at least those who were most vocal then are remaining quiet now - perhaps they’ve given up, some even said they were so angry/disenchanted with the club that they’d no longer be going to games etc. (though I’m guessing that would likely be only temporarily). |
Their forum has shifted very considerably since it broke. At the start there was a split between those who saw it as a 'non-event' (which was also fuelled by the player's antics on field), and those that were fearful/disappointed with what the club had allowed to happen.
Now the forum is almost unanimously fans playing the victim, in complete denial and calling for legal action against the EPL. Some are convinced the appointment of a new legal team is their knight in white armour, that will vindicate them and gain them millions in compensation. They are, I think, in for a very nasty surprise as to the next chapter that's likely to unfold. | | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:43 - Jun 2 with 494 views | hoppy |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 09:27 - Jun 2 by FlittonBlue |
just seen Eckerts video, almost brought a tear to my glass eye |
Yeah, just seen that too.
It could've been a lot shorter, I thought.
"We're sorry.... that we got caught." would've been all it needed. |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:45 - Jun 2 with 491 views | hype313 |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:09 - Jun 2 by Guthrum |
Plus the bit about the manager and several of the analysts being foreign so they couldn't be expected to understand the rules governing English football. In what other profession would that be acceptable? |
They didn't know the rules, but knew about the 72 hours...Hmm... |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:59 - Jun 2 with 454 views | BseaBlue |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:45 - Jun 2 by hype313 |
They didn't know the rules, but knew about the 72 hours...Hmm... |
And the junior analyst obviously knew it was wrong but they ignored that too..... |  | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 12:57 - Jun 2 with 358 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 08:31 - Jun 2 by vapour_trail |
Eckert will receive a global ban of at least a year I suspect, helping Southampton out of this tricky legal corner. |
Indeed. Given the precedent set with the Canadians last year.
FIFA ban, which would force the FA to ban I'd assume |  | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 12:58 - Jun 2 with 353 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 11:43 - Jun 2 by hoppy |
Yeah, just seen that too.
It could've been a lot shorter, I thought.
"We're sorry.... that we got caught." would've been all it needed. |
For those who haven't seen it
The also added in a Chairman one too, to no doubt worsen their situation
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 13:06 - Jun 2 with 336 views | Plums |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 10:09 - Jun 2 by Broadbent23 |
As I see it a club who stands by a cheating manager will be criticized hugely next season. And the mud will stick for years. Probably a lot of players will not want to stick with the club and are actively looking for transfers. Supporters robbed of promotion will think twice about supporting their club. As with previous clubs hit by scandals, quick decisions have to be made. Sales day coming to Southampton FC soon. |
As someone who has always had a bit of a soft spot for Soton (not sure why - I think it was Keegan and that funny sloping stand), they've definitely gone a long way down in my estimation.
In fact, when I consider that over the years, they've also brought us the social, intellectual giants that are Rupert Lowe and Matt le Tissier, I think I'm probably done with them! |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 13:17 - Jun 2 with 311 views | Churchman |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 12:58 - Jun 2 by ElderGrizzly |
For those who haven't seen it
The also added in a Chairman one too, to no doubt worsen their situation
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The two of them, and their club, are a disgrace. A stain on the game in this country.
They still don’t get it. They cheated. It was not mistake and even in the one in a million chance they hadn’t bothered to read the rules, since when was ignorance a defence.
This victimhood shte is playing everybody for mugs.
‘When the Stains go marching in’ should be their new song. [Post edited 2 Jun 15:36]
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 13:48 - Jun 2 with 260 views | HighgateBlue |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 08:08 - Jun 2 by nrb1985 |
Almost certainly that means they all knew it was going on then.
Scumbag cnts. |
Either that, or they just calculate that they won't be able to get a better manager in, and they don't really care about the ethical element of this, or the PR element with fans and the wider public.
If he's banned by a governing body, then there will be a contractual way out for Saints.
If he isn't, and does as well as he did last year after taking over (without cheating, or at least without getting caught), you'd think the fans will largely move on. Many fans are more incensed at the gamekeeper than the poacher right now. |  | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 14:09 - Jun 2 with 223 views | rattram |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 13:48 - Jun 2 by HighgateBlue |
Either that, or they just calculate that they won't be able to get a better manager in, and they don't really care about the ethical element of this, or the PR element with fans and the wider public.
If he's banned by a governing body, then there will be a contractual way out for Saints.
If he isn't, and does as well as he did last year after taking over (without cheating, or at least without getting caught), you'd think the fans will largely move on. Many fans are more incensed at the gamekeeper than the poacher right now. |
Similar cheating occurred in Canada and the person was sacked. When FIFA found out they gave a world wide ban of 1 year. I don't see how this won't happen here.
I've just seen that one of their board said that the video at Middlesbrough had been deleted and not used. Unfortunately the intern received a congratulatory text saying how good the info was!
I'd give them an additional points deduction for not seeming to think this was wrong in any way.
I'm sure other clubs may have tried this in the past, but that's no excuse | | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 14:28 - Jun 2 with 168 views | BseaBlue |
Do you reckon the club will be taking this up with Eastleigh Phil or just letting the whole issue slide?
Pi55 poor from them. | | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 15:16 - Jun 2 with 107 views | HighgateBlue |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 14:09 - Jun 2 by rattram |
Similar cheating occurred in Canada and the person was sacked. When FIFA found out they gave a world wide ban of 1 year. I don't see how this won't happen here.
I've just seen that one of their board said that the video at Middlesbrough had been deleted and not used. Unfortunately the intern received a congratulatory text saying how good the info was!
I'd give them an additional points deduction for not seeming to think this was wrong in any way.
I'm sure other clubs may have tried this in the past, but that's no excuse |
Oh yes I agree.
I think if the organisation in question has high moral standards, or considers itself to be custodians of the public interest, the person is more likely to be fired. The Canadian example as I recall was a women's Olympic football team, and the coach was banned by FIFA. I'm not sure whether she was sacked before or after the FIFA ban. Either way, you can see how a national representative organisation might feel more obliged to hold a coach to high (or at least some!) standards. See Sam Allardyce, and Glenn Hoddle for example.
Equally, if the person was not a standout star, then it's a lot easier to get rid. In some cases, it might even be a convenient excuse to sack them without paying compensation.
But here, Eckert clearly was doing a successful job (and however reprehensible the cheating was, I'm not convinced that was what powered them up the table). So unless the Saints hierarchy has a moral core that outweighs his footballing value, then sadly he stays.
I do hope he receives a ban, which would of course render this decision irrelevant. It may even be that Saints and Eckert's lawyers have done a deal whereby he gets to stay, unless there is a ban, in which case he disappears without compensation, or with a pre-agreed amount. Who knows. The Champ will be interesting next season, but most of our eyes will be fixated elsewhere! | | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 15:35 - Jun 2 with 71 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 12:58 - Jun 2 by ElderGrizzly |
For those who haven't seen it
The also added in a Chairman one too, to no doubt worsen their situation
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Maybe I've seen too many AI videos, but both of those (especially) the manager one, look fake. I know they're not, there's just something unreal looking in them, especially the manager, that I can't quite put my finger on.
Maybe it's just my bullshit detector in overdrive. |  |
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| Southampton standing by Eckert on 15:38 - Jun 2 with 67 views | PhilTWTD |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 14:28 - Jun 2 by BseaBlue |
Do you reckon the club will be taking this up with Eastleigh Phil or just letting the whole issue slide?
Pi55 poor from them. |
I would guess the FA may approach Eastleigh for their thoughts on the matter. Town will probably stay out of it. And away from Eastleigh in future. |  | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 15:40 - Jun 2 with 63 views | Churchman |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 14:28 - Jun 2 by BseaBlue |
Do you reckon the club will be taking this up with Eastleigh Phil or just letting the whole issue slide?
Pi55 poor from them. |
They really should and if the club paid any sort of fee for the use of their ground it should be refunded and Eastleigh heavily fined. They must have provided the kit for the idiot with the camera at the very least. I’ve not read how Southampton and Eastleigh worked it and would be interested to know. | | | |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 15:45 - Jun 2 with 41 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Southampton standing by Eckert on 15:40 - Jun 2 by Churchman |
They really should and if the club paid any sort of fee for the use of their ground it should be refunded and Eastleigh heavily fined. They must have provided the kit for the idiot with the camera at the very least. I’ve not read how Southampton and Eastleigh worked it and would be interested to know. |
If opposition clubs regularly train there it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they have an agreement set up that's been going on for years. I imagine that would be a nice little earner for a non-league club and very hard to turn down at their level. | |
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