| Cards on the table time. 17:52 - Dec 4 with 3828 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
I'm disappointed.
Disappointed with the players, who I thought were better.
Disappointed with the manager, who I thought was better.
I'm disappointed for the owners, who I think are better.
But I'm also disappointed with the fan base, many of who have become someone completely different from what I am used to seeing as fellow Town fans.
We give our managers time and all of that stuff, except not any more.
The discontent started after 6 weeks or so this time, "Why is he talking about the players like that" etc. etc. and now, after a disappointing start to the season its now 9 months in and the level of vociferousness that many on this board are using to criticise Cook directly is borderline abusive.
That's not us. That's not what Ipswich do. No doubt, someone will be along imminently to tell me, "If you don't like it, put them on ignore".
No.
So what now. Change the manager? Again? He gets his own players, Celina et al are sent back from their loans, another 10 new players? And then what if that doesn't work? Get rid of him too?
And then what?
And repeat, ad nauseam.
So we give Cook another window, to get it right, if we don't, all we are doing is giving a new manager a window to get it right, and they might not. I doubt we will go up now anyway, so why bother with such mammoth change now? We may as well hope Cook shows that his career at Chesterfield, Portsmouth and Wigan wasn't a fluke and have a good 2nd half to the season ready to go next year.
If on the other hand we get to the end of the season, and we finish in mid table, that is the time for Cook to go, but not now. Let's be Ipswich Town and do it the right way, not 'Chequebook FC'.
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:55 - Dec 4 with 2377 views | hype313 |
Nope, he's done nothing to push us any further forward despite using 50 odd players. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:55 - Dec 4 with 2380 views | homer_123 |
The same Ipswich that has slept walked the last 15 years?
We stopped being Ipswich the minute Sheepshanks led us gung ho into administration.
Its not working for Cook...we are moving backwards...time to bite the bullet and be proactive for once. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:56 - Dec 4 with 2347 views | Mullet |
This one is not the fans fault. We’ve literally given Cook as much as the owners have and more than anyone else for decades.
The few of you parroting that b0llocks are way off. Do you think any other club our size would be so timid in the face of such a let down or this perpetual slide? He can’t keep doing snd saying these things and expect to be backed as he has. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:56 - Dec 4 with 2332 views | pointofblue |
I swear the same excuses were made for Lambert. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:57 - Dec 4 with 2317 views | N2_Blue |
You seriously need to stop having a go at our fans who are following the team with unbelievable support the manager hardly deserves. The numbers we turn up in currently for league games is astonishing.
I want Cook to go but have not booed once or made my displeasure towards vocal once during a game.
Our fans are nothing short of incredible and very patient.
But it is has worn thin and rightly so.
You may want to give the manager more time, fair enough but you can’t have a go at fans who are not prepared to give a manager who has had over 40 games more time.
He has done sod all in his time except destroy one squad and put together an expensive (wages wise) new one and completely destroy its confidence and get zilch from it.
I’m certain there are many managers out there who would get far more from this squad. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 18:13]
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:58 - Dec 4 with 2303 views | chrismakin |
When you buy a meal at a restaurant. You expect it to be of quality deserving of your payment.
Football is no different.
I once said you don't have 'win garenteed' on a ticket. But you have a minimum expectation. That is not losing to arsenal u21. Drawing 0-0 with barrow and not scoring in 5 out of 8 games. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:58 - Dec 4 with 2294 views | footers |
Cook's tactical stubborness and poor in-game management are still his fault, yet he hasn't changed those. Why not?
If a manager is still making the same mistakes time after time, then why allow him to continue?
We've given him more than he could ask for at this level and he's failing. Buck stops with him. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 17:59 - Dec 4 with 2276 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
The manager overhauled the whole squad.
And personally selected a coaching team with pretty much zero first team coaching experience to mould the players into an effective team.
Absolutely absurd approach.
Therein lies the issue. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 17:59]
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:00 - Dec 4 with 2200 views | bluestandard |
I hear you, and agree with your post for the most part. I’ve always been in the camp that wants to give Cook time. My only caveat has ever been if he loses the dressing room in some significant way. No point in dragging out a situation like that. When I posted this caveat a while back, it seemed unlikely to me, since these are all Cook players totally loyal and committed so we thought. For the first time this season I’m wondering if all is well behind the scenes, and not necessarily because of the results, but our overall play on the pitch. If I were in charge, I wouldn’t be pressing the panic button, but I’d be doing some due diligence behind the scenes, because we aren’t seeing the desire on the pitch that I would have expected at this point. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:01 - Dec 4 with 2176 views | Darth_Koont |
Well said. We aren’t where we need to be – no-one is suggesting otherwise – but people are pretty clueless about the solution beyond getting rid of the manager.
That may make people feel better (because it often seems as if it’s their feelings that are most important) but I don’t see that as the obvious solution. Cook has a great track record at this level so we just seem to be inviting further problems unless we know what we’re doing and why.
What I said after the poor start was that if we don’t improve then Cook won’t be around. We did improve even if now we’ve slipped back a little. The patience at the beginning was justified, let’s see if patience is justified now. And in the absence of any real insight into the solution we really have no other sensible and rational choice. Feck feelings. |  |
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| Here are my cards. I'm on the point of turning against him on 18:01 - Dec 4 with 2176 views | Swansea_Blue |
I've been willing to just let things develop to see how things go, but how long do you let things go without seeing any signs that he can build? Even if he recruits better and better players (recruitment has been good), you still have to fashion them into a team that knows what it's doing and has the desire to want to do it.
With pack out PR coming up by Swansea_Blue 4 Dec 2021 17:24If I was Gamechanger/Ashton, I'd be looking for the next one now.
I've been apathetic so far, quite happy to see how things develop. Yet he's done nothing to convince me yet in the last 9 months and things recently have been getting worryingly bad. And so if these flat performances don't turn round in the next 4 games I'd want someone else in for the start of the window (with hopefully a heads up so they can start thinking about transfer plans).
I also hope we're getting a team together that can start leading on transfers irrespective of the manager, as far too often lately we've created our own problems by giving the manager sole control.
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:02 - Dec 4 with 2152 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Paul Cook stated that he needed "one pre season and one transfer window" ... | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:04 - Dec 4 with 2085 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:02 - Dec 4 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Paul Cook stated that he needed "one pre season and one transfer window" ... |
He said it the other way around, which is far more ambiguous. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:06 - Dec 4 with 2047 views | J2BLUE |
That's not what Ipswich do.
Let's be Ipswich Town.
Yes because it's been working so well hasn't it? This isn't the time for self delusion and convincing ourselves everything is fine. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:07 - Dec 4 with 2005 views | istanblue |
This is the kind of weak happy-clapper mentality that has got us into this mess in the first place. Time to move like a big club for once and make a change when it clearly isn't working. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:09 - Dec 4 with 1974 views | Churchman |
I am fed up to heck with this. I really thought Cook was the right man for the job. But everything from the way he’s gone about it to the players he’s brought in has been poor. We and the owners deserve a lot better than this. I share everyone’s frustration.
But we are where we and now my annoyance is wearing off, your post makes a lot of sense to me.
With Mick, five and a half years, going stale, no backing his time was up. No doubt about it. Hurst was clearly a grievous mistake. Lambert was held on to too long. The gift of hindsight is a great thing but I have a nagging feeling that with Cook it’s all a bit unfinished business. His track record is at odds with what he is doing here. We employed him for good reason and on balance, as with your last paragraph, let’s see what happens in the second half of the season. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:11 - Dec 4 with 1918 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:06 - Dec 4 by J2BLUE |
That's not what Ipswich do.
Let's be Ipswich Town.
Yes because it's been working so well hasn't it? This isn't the time for self delusion and convincing ourselves everything is fine. |
Equally we’ll be deluding ourselves that a new manager will come in and change things. What exactly? We knew that Hurst was disastrous from the start shedding value from the squad, wasting hard-won transfer spending and losing the players. All in the space of a few short months. Similarly that Lambert couldn’t get much of a tune out of the squad and our young talent over 2 and a half seasons.
Calls for patience for either of them were pointless. I don’t see such a clear diagnosis with Cook. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:14 - Dec 4 with 1836 views | King_ding_a_lin_g |
Good post.
It's a scary thing to put our trust into a manager when it's not going well but the bare faced truth of it all is that we're going to have to... and it might as well be someone with Paul Cook's record and who clearly gives a toss.
Give him until this time next year and I'm confident we'll be in a much much better place as a club and a fanbase. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:14 - Dec 4 with 1836 views | shamboy |
But does anyone really think that Ashton has the cajones to go to his investors and ask for the extra millions to pay off Paul Cook?
They will look at him in a new light. It wasn't what was promised. | | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 with 1809 views | J2BLUE |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:11 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
Equally we’ll be deluding ourselves that a new manager will come in and change things. What exactly? We knew that Hurst was disastrous from the start shedding value from the squad, wasting hard-won transfer spending and losing the players. All in the space of a few short months. Similarly that Lambert couldn’t get much of a tune out of the squad and our young talent over 2 and a half seasons.
Calls for patience for either of them were pointless. I don’t see such a clear diagnosis with Cook. |
Any half decent manager should be able to get us up with the squad. Cook had a very good squad at his disposal and then we went out and got Morsy, Walton and Celina on top.
I'd be pretty surprised if there's nowhere out there who could come in and get us going. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 with 1812 views | Darth_Koont |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:07 - Dec 4 by istanblue |
This is the kind of weak happy-clapper mentality that has got us into this mess in the first place. Time to move like a big club for once and make a change when it clearly isn't working. |
Exactly the mentality that became BCWYWF.
The important thing is to have a specific reason to change rather than thinking things will be better.
What do we change for the better if a manager who turns out to be less suited than Cook comes in? What specific talents are we looking for? | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 with 1805 views | BlueBadger |
| Cards on the table time. on 17:56 - Dec 4 by pointofblue |
I swear the same excuses were made for Lambert. |
They were made for Cook last season. |  |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 with 1808 views | pointofblue |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:11 - Dec 4 by Darth_Koont |
Equally we’ll be deluding ourselves that a new manager will come in and change things. What exactly? We knew that Hurst was disastrous from the start shedding value from the squad, wasting hard-won transfer spending and losing the players. All in the space of a few short months. Similarly that Lambert couldn’t get much of a tune out of the squad and our young talent over 2 and a half seasons.
Calls for patience for either of them were pointless. I don’t see such a clear diagnosis with Cook. |
What has Cook done with us to earn himself some patience? Three thrashings which we failed miserably to build upon and an unlucky defeat at Sunderland?
Yes, he's succeeded elsewhere but Keane succeeded at Sunderland, Jewell hit the top with Bradford and Wigan, Lambert did well with Norwich and Hurst was punching above his weight at Shrewsbury. They all failed miserably with us and were all given more time than they deserved. We're now about to repeat exactly the same trick, even under different leadership. | |
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| Cards on the table time. on 18:15 - Dec 4 with 1806 views | gtsb1966 |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:14 - Dec 4 by shamboy |
But does anyone really think that Ashton has the cajones to go to his investors and ask for the extra millions to pay off Paul Cook?
They will look at him in a new light. It wasn't what was promised. |
Cook's appointment had nothing to do with Ashton though. |  | | |
| Cards on the table time. on 18:16 - Dec 4 with 1775 views | BlueBadger |
Cook has had astonishing good support given how poor he's been here.
The only manager in recent times who received such an undeserved level of support was L*mbert, who had songs sung about him as he was busy relegating us. | |
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