| Chambo has spoken 21:49 - Dec 4 with 32370 views | Illinoisblue |
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| Chambo has spoken on 07:34 - Dec 5 with 2732 views | groovyASH |
| Chambo has spoken on 07:14 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
I was getting loads of stick for criticising Cook last year before Chambers had even beeen released, probably at the time he’d been offered a new contract!
He was a rubbish manager for us, he ripped the heart out of the club with how he treated those here last year - I was much more annoyed about the academy players going than Chambers, much more.
I like LC as a captain, as a player and as a person - but his release was totally understandable, it was handled very badly but it’s hard to argue it wasn’t the right decision. But the way they were all treated, not for me |
I don't think Cook can be laid with the blame of ripping the heart out of the club, the heart was long gone before he came in.
I wasn't sorry to see any of those players who had underperformed for too long leave in the summer. And the clear pit and rebuild was needed.
In hindsight, Cook signed some quality but too many of the players who have come in he has not known what to do with- Burgess, Harper, Piggott, Chaplin.
He failed to show he could fashion success with some quality new tools.
But he brought some likeability (this should be a word) back to the club, a passionate and likeable personality.
I'm sorry for the man Cook it didn't work out, just not the manager we saw. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 07:39 - Dec 5 with 2713 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Chambo has spoken on 07:20 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
And people think it’s me that has shown myself up on this thread, have a look at yourselves. |
Have a look at yourselves people 
and listen to Blue Monday podcast where I do contribute  |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 07:52 - Dec 5 with 2657 views | yesjohn99 |
| Chambo has spoken on 23:19 - Dec 4 by textbackup |
The same man that took us down with no fight? Or ever win a big game…. Fck whatever that tit says |
One of those players who gave up in October? |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 07:54 - Dec 5 with 2633 views | chicoazul |
Can’t say I blame him. Live by the sword etc |  |
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| Idiot on 08:00 - Dec 5 with 2595 views | Tonytown |
| Idiot on 00:23 - Dec 5 by gazzer1999 |
Poorest team in 65 years?, funny I thought Chambers was playing for Colchester this season.
The way he was let go, no problem being a little smug. For all the haters Chambo still loved this club,Cookie was a Liverpool fan. |
Our 2 seasons under Shambert were our worst ones for 65 years and he played in most of the games.
We have seriously under performed this year too and that is why Cook has gone.
Neither of them should be or are now here | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 08:17 - Dec 5 with 2525 views | solomon |
| Chambo has spoken on 07:14 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
I was getting loads of stick for criticising Cook last year before Chambers had even beeen released, probably at the time he’d been offered a new contract!
He was a rubbish manager for us, he ripped the heart out of the club with how he treated those here last year - I was much more annoyed about the academy players going than Chambers, much more.
I like LC as a captain, as a player and as a person - but his release was totally understandable, it was handled very badly but it’s hard to argue it wasn’t the right decision. But the way they were all treated, not for me |
Agree with you Joe, just think it’s utterly sad and a bit childish of him to do this, we all are met with disappointment and unfair treatment in our lives at various points, it’s how you handle it that matters. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 08:21 - Dec 5 with 2487 views | StokieBlue |
| Chambo has spoken on 07:14 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
I was getting loads of stick for criticising Cook last year before Chambers had even beeen released, probably at the time he’d been offered a new contract!
He was a rubbish manager for us, he ripped the heart out of the club with how he treated those here last year - I was much more annoyed about the academy players going than Chambers, much more.
I like LC as a captain, as a player and as a person - but his release was totally understandable, it was handled very badly but it’s hard to argue it wasn’t the right decision. But the way they were all treated, not for me |
To which specific academy players are you referring?
None of them have gone on to do anything have they except the couple who wanted to leave to play at a higher level?
Perhaps I've missed them doing well.
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| Chambo has spoken on 08:53 - Dec 5 with 2414 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Chambo has spoken on 07:20 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
And people think it’s me that has shown myself up on this thread, have a look at yourselves. |
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| Chambo has spoken on 08:57 - Dec 5 with 2388 views | fergalsharkey |
Chambo = the slowest ball watcher in league 2.
FO you mediocre tw t. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:01 - Dec 5 with 2358 views | itfcjoe |
| Chambo has spoken on 08:21 - Dec 5 by StokieBlue |
To which specific academy players are you referring?
None of them have gone on to do anything have they except the couple who wanted to leave to play at a higher level?
Perhaps I've missed them doing well.
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The overall policy of just saying to Downer, Dozzell, Woolf, Bishop, Lankester, Dobra and Kenlock that we want them all to FO never sat right with me - and giving the manager the power to do that after what he did last year was the wrong move.
Careless, reckless and the wrong thing to do - and now where are we? |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:04 - Dec 5 with 2327 views | DanTheMan |
| Chambo has spoken on 08:57 - Dec 5 by fergalsharkey |
Chambo = the slowest ball watcher in league 2.
FO you mediocre tw t. |
Stuff like this, just don't get it. Crazy level of vitriol for a player who obviously cared for the club.
Yeah he wasn't playing well, what with father time catching up and being played out of his position but you'd think he had his way with people's partners the way some of you are talking. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:06 - Dec 5 with 2303 views | StokieBlue |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:01 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
The overall policy of just saying to Downer, Dozzell, Woolf, Bishop, Lankester, Dobra and Kenlock that we want them all to FO never sat right with me - and giving the manager the power to do that after what he did last year was the wrong move.
Careless, reckless and the wrong thing to do - and now where are we? |
I'm honestly not sure this is the right road for you to go down.
Two of those players moved on to a higher division, we weren't going to stop them once they knew that was a possibility. Downes had been trying to actively leave town for about a season.
The rest have done nothing. Woolf has been very poor for over a season now and Dobra isn't really setting League Two alight.
So disregarding the two who went higher, none of those players would have improved us in any way, in fact they are worse than what we have now.
I don't think you've proven in any of the posts on this matter than shifting on the academy players was "the wrong thing to do". Objectively and without emotional investment it looks like the right thing to do. I do agree it could have been handled better by Cook but in footballing terms I think it was the right thing to do.
It also allows the next generation to progress forwards who will hopefully make more of an impact.
There is a strange cognitive dissonance around academy players for many town fans whereby they are perceived as being a lot better than they are to those looking objectively from outside the fanbase.
SB [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 9:09]
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:08 - Dec 5 with 2286 views | Dubtractor |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:01 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
The overall policy of just saying to Downer, Dozzell, Woolf, Bishop, Lankester, Dobra and Kenlock that we want them all to FO never sat right with me - and giving the manager the power to do that after what he did last year was the wrong move.
Careless, reckless and the wrong thing to do - and now where are we? |
Yep.
I had no major issue with the clearout, but Cook had no need at all to be such a cock about it all, and so publicly too. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:12 - Dec 5 with 2260 views | itfcjoe |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:06 - Dec 5 by StokieBlue |
I'm honestly not sure this is the right road for you to go down.
Two of those players moved on to a higher division, we weren't going to stop them once they knew that was a possibility. Downes had been trying to actively leave town for about a season.
The rest have done nothing. Woolf has been very poor for over a season now and Dobra isn't really setting League Two alight.
So disregarding the two who went higher, none of those players would have improved us in any way, in fact they are worse than what we have now.
I don't think you've proven in any of the posts on this matter than shifting on the academy players was "the wrong thing to do". Objectively and without emotional investment it looks like the right thing to do. I do agree it could have been handled better by Cook but in footballing terms I think it was the right thing to do.
It also allows the next generation to progress forwards who will hopefully make more of an impact.
There is a strange cognitive dissonance around academy players for many town fans whereby they are perceived as being a lot better than they are to those looking objectively from outside the fanbase.
SB [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 9:09]
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Maybe the players wanted to go because Cook came in like a wrecking ball and fûckèd everyone off? So much so that towards the last few weeks of last season he was having to try and hand out olive branches to those he had decided he wanted to keep.
He got it so wrong here, from start to finish - only positive is because he did so badly after being appointed Evans actually pulled the trigger on the deal when has Cook made an immediate impact he may have kept hold of the club!
But young boys who gave their life’s to Ipswich were treated shabbily - Bishop been here 17 years, Lankester similar to that basically told to FO in 30 second conversations | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:13 - Dec 5 with 2248 views | Yallop |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:01 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
The overall policy of just saying to Downer, Dozzell, Woolf, Bishop, Lankester, Dobra and Kenlock that we want them all to FO never sat right with me - and giving the manager the power to do that after what he did last year was the wrong move.
Careless, reckless and the wrong thing to do - and now where are we? |
Downes and Dozzell both wanted to move on. Dobra was rightly loaned, Bishop had gone stale and needed a move. The others haven't performed at a level that warranted keeping. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:16 - Dec 5 with 2218 views | Churchman |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:01 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
The overall policy of just saying to Downer, Dozzell, Woolf, Bishop, Lankester, Dobra and Kenlock that we want them all to FO never sat right with me - and giving the manager the power to do that after what he did last year was the wrong move.
Careless, reckless and the wrong thing to do - and now where are we? |
Yes, Cook should have persuaded Downes to stay 18 months ago before he got the job. Sorry, Downes wanted out ages ago. Cook should have negotiated out Dozzells release clause whenever it was put in before he came to the club. Sorry, Dozzell wanted to move on and it was right for him to do so for his career and us. Nothing to do with Cook.
Of the rest, I was actually in favour of keeping Bishop, but given the fitness record I hardly shed tears when he moved on. Woolf’s early promise had faded long before Cook, but he’s young and there is a player there. Dobra. Looks talented but weak. He needs rightly retained but games to see how he develops. Lancaster and Kenlock? Goodbye.
Cook did nothing wrong with the above players even if he did c0ck it up in every other way. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:16 - Dec 5 with 2217 views | Blue_Order |
Enjoyable thread, this.
Great content. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 9:19]
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:20 - Dec 5 with 2169 views | StokieBlue |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:12 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
Maybe the players wanted to go because Cook came in like a wrecking ball and fûckèd everyone off? So much so that towards the last few weeks of last season he was having to try and hand out olive branches to those he had decided he wanted to keep.
He got it so wrong here, from start to finish - only positive is because he did so badly after being appointed Evans actually pulled the trigger on the deal when has Cook made an immediate impact he may have kept hold of the club!
But young boys who gave their life’s to Ipswich were treated shabbily - Bishop been here 17 years, Lankester similar to that basically told to FO in 30 second conversations |
This isn't what I said though.
I said in footballing terms it wasn't the wrong decision. None of them have gone on to do anything with their new clubs.
Downes wanted to go before Cook was even here, let's not rewrite that narrative.
"But young boys who gave their life’s to Ipswich were treated shabbily - Bishop been here 17 years, Lankester similar to that basically told to FO in 30 second conversations"
Football is one of the most brutal industries out there. They certainly should have had a proper conversation, I don't disagree there but the end result is still the same. They simply haven't kicked on as professionals, possibly due to injuries outside their control and thus it was right to move them on, even if it may have been handled badly.
Bishop - 17 appearances, 1 goal in the league cup.
Lankester - 8 appearances, no goals.
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:23 - Dec 5 with 2142 views | braveblue |
Has accidentally shown what a ‘top bloke’ he really is. He should shut up and enjoy the depths of division 4 where he belongs. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:23 - Dec 5 with 2126 views | pointofblue |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:12 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
Maybe the players wanted to go because Cook came in like a wrecking ball and fûckèd everyone off? So much so that towards the last few weeks of last season he was having to try and hand out olive branches to those he had decided he wanted to keep.
He got it so wrong here, from start to finish - only positive is because he did so badly after being appointed Evans actually pulled the trigger on the deal when has Cook made an immediate impact he may have kept hold of the club!
But young boys who gave their life’s to Ipswich were treated shabbily - Bishop been here 17 years, Lankester similar to that basically told to FO in 30 second conversations |
Is it fair to say you’re maybe angrier with the way Cook handled the situation, and the build up to those conversations which he happily aired in public (which is where alarm bells started to ring for me when it came to him) than the actual decision making?
As said, as much as I think there is a player in there as shown in 19/20, Woolfenden has been struggling for over a season now; Kenlock is not better than Coulsen; Dobra is struggling to make an impact in League Two; Bishop is maybe doing enough without lighting it up for Lincoln and Lankester hasn’t pulled up many trees for Cambridge whilst Dozzell, Downes and Gibbs wanted to move on. Then onto the non-academy outfield players where only Edwards and Wilson signed for a club at this level.
Basically, the decision making isn’t necessarily wrong - particularly considering who we bought in - but the way Cook went about it was? | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:26 - Dec 5 with 2099 views | bluestandard |
| Chambo has spoken on 23:20 - Dec 4 by Seablu |
In fairness, his Ipswich career consisted of a couple of decent seasons under MM.
He subsequently hung around like a cloying bout of wind, lauded by the uninitiated as some sort of club linchpin.
The fact his name sits on the Player of the Season list alongside some absolute legends continues to irk me greatly.
Still, you and your missus fed him some pasta and a spotted dick and declared him a top bloke, so enjoy your moment in the sun and be sure to text him our undying gratitude for his contribution to nothing whatsoever. |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:27 - Dec 5 with 2102 views | itfcjoe |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:23 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
Is it fair to say you’re maybe angrier with the way Cook handled the situation, and the build up to those conversations which he happily aired in public (which is where alarm bells started to ring for me when it came to him) than the actual decision making?
As said, as much as I think there is a player in there as shown in 19/20, Woolfenden has been struggling for over a season now; Kenlock is not better than Coulsen; Dobra is struggling to make an impact in League Two; Bishop is maybe doing enough without lighting it up for Lincoln and Lankester hasn’t pulled up many trees for Cambridge whilst Dozzell, Downes and Gibbs wanted to move on. Then onto the non-academy outfield players where only Edwards and Wilson signed for a club at this level.
Basically, the decision making isn’t necessarily wrong - particularly considering who we bought in - but the way Cook went about it was? |
Yep, re the last point - and I think it is the cumulative effect of the decisions rather than each of them individually - they can all be justified on their own merits | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 09:35 - Dec 5 with 2058 views | bluestandard |
| Chambo has spoken on 23:22 - Dec 4 by jeera |
We all defend people we feel an affiliation with so can't see why Joe would be any different.
Understandable if you know someone on a more personal basis that you're going to see their view.
I don't know either Chambers or Cook and as such feel nothing in particular towards either, but have been a bit taken aback at times at some of the attitudes towards some ex-players.
Certainly Chambers time was up here, as was Skuse's, Sears, and a few others.
But Cook didn't exactly shower them with respect when he made his changes and was bold in his 'demolition man' persona. Those were his words after all.
I can't see a problem with anyone giving a bit back personally, as the other was happy to revel in it.
Bear in mind Cook will have earned enough money in his short time here to buy a row of houses so the lines about pitying a man who has lost his job don't really wash.
Seemed a pleasant enough guy but he didn't fulfil our needs. I'm more concerned about Town than his feelings right now. |
Chambo - things most Town fans can agree on
1) He gave the club great service
2) It was time for him to go (look at Col U this season)
From what I’ve read (his exit interview) etc, I haven’t heard anything which was particularly disrespectful about his exit (unless I’ve missed something). Mixed messages about whether he is staying or going is part of the business, and Town have been on the other end of it enough times to know.
On this basis, I find his post in poor taste. Just my opinion. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:01 - Dec 5 with 1944 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:16 - Dec 5 by Churchman |
Yes, Cook should have persuaded Downes to stay 18 months ago before he got the job. Sorry, Downes wanted out ages ago. Cook should have negotiated out Dozzells release clause whenever it was put in before he came to the club. Sorry, Dozzell wanted to move on and it was right for him to do so for his career and us. Nothing to do with Cook.
Of the rest, I was actually in favour of keeping Bishop, but given the fitness record I hardly shed tears when he moved on. Woolf’s early promise had faded long before Cook, but he’s young and there is a player there. Dobra. Looks talented but weak. He needs rightly retained but games to see how he develops. Lancaster and Kenlock? Goodbye.
Cook did nothing wrong with the above players even if he did c0ck it up in every other way. |
I think Cook, and even Ashton, should have moved heaven and earth to sell a long term project, backed with the Americans money, to Downes and Dozzell.
That is my issue with how the former academy players were handled.
Cook didn’t try to stop them leaving because he didn’t want them.
And for people saying that Downes had been wanting to play at a higher level, well so did Morsy, Harper, Edmunson, Bonne, Edwards, Penney, Celina, Aluko. All dropped down a division to play for “Chequebook United”. No effort was made with Downes and Dozzell.
That didn’t feel right to me. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 10:02 - Dec 5 with 1941 views | DJR |
Rather bizarrely this thread has far more views than any other thread since Cook was sacked. I think everyone needs to calm down. For what it is worth, I share Joe's misgivings about Cook and do not feel his style, behaviour or utterings ever really fitted with the professionalism of the rest of the new set up. |  | | |
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