| Chambo has spoken 21:49 - Dec 4 with 32678 views | Illinoisblue |
👀
|  |
| |  |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:03 - Dec 5 with 2535 views | itfcjoe |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:01 - Dec 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I think Cook, and even Ashton, should have moved heaven and earth to sell a long term project, backed with the Americans money, to Downes and Dozzell.
That is my issue with how the former academy players were handled.
Cook didn’t try to stop them leaving because he didn’t want them.
And for people saying that Downes had been wanting to play at a higher level, well so did Morsy, Harper, Edmunson, Bonne, Edwards, Penney, Celina, Aluko. All dropped down a division to play for “Chequebook United”. No effort was made with Downes and Dozzell.
That didn’t feel right to me. |
Very well put GB |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:10 - Dec 5 with 2495 views | Dennyx4 |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:01 - Dec 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I think Cook, and even Ashton, should have moved heaven and earth to sell a long term project, backed with the Americans money, to Downes and Dozzell.
That is my issue with how the former academy players were handled.
Cook didn’t try to stop them leaving because he didn’t want them.
And for people saying that Downes had been wanting to play at a higher level, well so did Morsy, Harper, Edmunson, Bonne, Edwards, Penney, Celina, Aluko. All dropped down a division to play for “Chequebook United”. No effort was made with Downes and Dozzell.
That didn’t feel right to me. |
Very good point and they were probably the only two that we could have built around.
I wonder whether the balancing of finances meant we had to sell some players to be able to wheel and deal as such, and these two were the only ones worth enough to be able to make the signings we did.
Think there was a post a little while back, saying the transfer fees in and out were similar - certainly would have been a big spend, without the sale of Downes or Dozzell. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:23 - Dec 5 with 2434 views | Herbivore |
Top bantz. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:26 - Dec 5 with 2410 views | pointofblue |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:01 - Dec 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I think Cook, and even Ashton, should have moved heaven and earth to sell a long term project, backed with the Americans money, to Downes and Dozzell.
That is my issue with how the former academy players were handled.
Cook didn’t try to stop them leaving because he didn’t want them.
And for people saying that Downes had been wanting to play at a higher level, well so did Morsy, Harper, Edmunson, Bonne, Edwards, Penney, Celina, Aluko. All dropped down a division to play for “Chequebook United”. No effort was made with Downes and Dozzell.
That didn’t feel right to me. |
Downes definitely. Would I keep Dozzell, on paper, over Morsy, Evans or Carroll? No. Think I’d even sign Harper over Dozzell in theory although there have clearly been issues with all of them in practice. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:35 - Dec 5 with 2374 views | TractorCam |
| Chambo has spoken on 22:35 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe |
His Ipswich career was ended by a nobody who lasted 5 minutes- no wonder he’s annoyed |
Embarrassing comment, although not surprising. It was clear from very early on you wanted Cook to fail. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:39 - Dec 5 with 2341 views | Dubtractor |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:26 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
Downes definitely. Would I keep Dozzell, on paper, over Morsy, Evans or Carroll? No. Think I’d even sign Harper over Dozzell in theory although there have clearly been issues with all of them in practice. |
You'd keep a load of players who haven't yet impressed in a mid table league 1 team, over a player who has established himself as a regular in a team sitting 5th in the league above?
Righto. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:40 - Dec 5 with 2333 views | nodge_blue |
| Chambo has spoken on 22:35 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe |
His Ipswich career was ended by a nobody who lasted 5 minutes- no wonder he’s annoyed |
I thought it was interesting that he retains a photo of himself at Ipswich as his twitter photo.
I think in hindsight Id still have had another year of Chambers at centre half along with Edmundson.
Id also say he'd probably be interested if the managers job was offered to him.
Im not convinced though that we'd see super attractive football. And I do still want that. I want good football, where we keep possession in a progressive way. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:44 - Dec 5 with 2307 views | pointofblue |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:39 - Dec 5 by Dubtractor |
You'd keep a load of players who haven't yet impressed in a mid table league 1 team, over a player who has established himself as a regular in a team sitting 5th in the league above?
Righto. |
That’s what I mean by ‘on paper’ - in the summer I thought they were the right moves to get the club going forward. And, considering his performances here over the last two seasons, where he showed little more than sparks of promise, did I expect Dozzell to have the impact he is at QPR? No.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I’m not about to say I thought the decisions made were bad at the time. | |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Chambo has spoken on 10:48 - Dec 5 with 2273 views | Dubtractor |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:44 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
That’s what I mean by ‘on paper’ - in the summer I thought they were the right moves to get the club going forward. And, considering his performances here over the last two seasons, where he showed little more than sparks of promise, did I expect Dozzell to have the impact he is at QPR? No.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but I’m not about to say I thought the decisions made were bad at the time. |
Fair enough.
I always saw the good bits of Dozzell as outweighing the bad bits, and looking at QPR right now I feel I was prob right. No argument from me that he should have done more for us though.
Let's hope a new manager does a better job of harnessing the obvious ability that the likes of Evans, Harper and Carroll have! | |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:50 - Dec 5 with 2259 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| Chambo has spoken on 22:35 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe |
His Ipswich career was ended by a nobody who lasted 5 minutes- no wonder he’s annoyed |
Yet you never had an agenda hey. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:53 - Dec 5 with 2245 views | Ryorry |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:48 - Dec 5 by Dubtractor |
Fair enough.
I always saw the good bits of Dozzell as outweighing the bad bits, and looking at QPR right now I feel I was prob right. No argument from me that he should have done more for us though.
Let's hope a new manager does a better job of harnessing the obvious ability that the likes of Evans, Harper and Carroll have! |
Barely playing Harper at all was the biggest mystery to me (unless he was carrying a knock I wasn't aware of). |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:53 - Dec 5 with 2240 views | pointofblue |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:48 - Dec 5 by Dubtractor |
Fair enough.
I always saw the good bits of Dozzell as outweighing the bad bits, and looking at QPR right now I feel I was prob right. No argument from me that he should have done more for us though.
Let's hope a new manager does a better job of harnessing the obvious ability that the likes of Evans, Harper and Carroll have! |
It almost feels like the central midfielders get in each other’s way which is especially odd considering Morsy and Evans played together, under Cook, at Wigan. Something just isn’t working right across the pitch and we’ll have to hope the new manager can work out how to fix it. | |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:55 - Dec 5 with 2228 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:53 - Dec 5 by Ryorry |
Barely playing Harper at all was the biggest mystery to me (unless he was carrying a knock I wasn't aware of). |
He didn't really know what to do with him. Harper wasn't suited to being a sitter in Cook's midfield 2 and he's not a number 10 either. Bit like Fraser really, just didn't obviously fit Cook's preferred system. | |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:57 - Dec 5 with 2217 views | Ryorry |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:55 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
He didn't really know what to do with him. Harper wasn't suited to being a sitter in Cook's midfield 2 and he's not a number 10 either. Bit like Fraser really, just didn't obviously fit Cook's preferred system. |
Got to question why he bought him then! | |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:57 - Dec 5 with 2214 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:13 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
Downes and Dozzell both wanted to move on. Dobra was rightly loaned, Bishop had gone stale and needed a move. The others haven't performed at a level that warranted keeping. |
Exactly this. Not exactly difficult to see. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:07 - Dec 5 with 2171 views | pointofblue |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:57 - Dec 5 by Ryorry |
Got to question why he bought him then! |
Have to ask how many of the signings were Cook’s. | |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:10 - Dec 5 with 2150 views | Ryorry |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:07 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
Have to ask how many of the signings were Cook’s. |
Mmm, bearing in mind Norwood's comments. | |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:18 - Dec 5 with 2111 views | Jimmy86 |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:57 - Dec 5 by Ryorry |
Got to question why he bought him then! |
Perhaps he didn't and it was actually Ashton? I now wonder how many of these players were Cook players or Ashton players...
Likes of Walton, Morsy, Chaplin and Evans definitely signed to play under Cook, but we all know about Ashton and his data dash board.. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:23 - Dec 5 with 2097 views | urbanblue |
| Chambo has spoken on 09:27 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
Yep, re the last point - and I think it is the cumulative effect of the decisions rather than each of them individually - they can all be justified on their own merits |
I've always enjoyed your contributions both here, and on BM Joe, but have thought since Cook arrived that your opinions have been clouded by emotion due to your closeness to Chambers and maybe other players at the club.
It's always occurred to me (and this is purely guesswork) that Cook may have changed his mind on keeping Chambers on when clearly the player had loose lips and was criticising the manager in public. I would guess the discussion that appeared on here wasn't the only time.
I may be wrong of course but even so that tweet by Chambers was completely unnecessary and showed a lack of class.
As we move on I look forward to your continual insights unburdened by any personal feelings. What's gone has gone. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 11:24]
|  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:24 - Dec 5 with 2080 views | chicoazul |
| Chambo has spoken on 08:21 - Dec 5 by StokieBlue |
To which specific academy players are you referring?
None of them have gone on to do anything have they except the couple who wanted to leave to play at a higher level?
Perhaps I've missed them doing well.
SB |
They don’t have to now be doing well to have been treated badly do they. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:25 - Dec 5 with 2077 views | chrismakin |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:07 - Dec 5 by pointofblue |
Have to ask how many of the signings were Cook’s. |
I said this for months. There is no way PC bought everyone. But that's not saying ashton took over.
PC made it clear he wanted everyone out
The delay in getting players in for me showed he failed to get those he wanted... we know he tried and failed to get more Wigan players.
Imo leam staying at Wigan ruined it for PC target wise. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:30 - Dec 5 with 2066 views | chicoazul |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:23 - Dec 5 by urbanblue |
I've always enjoyed your contributions both here, and on BM Joe, but have thought since Cook arrived that your opinions have been clouded by emotion due to your closeness to Chambers and maybe other players at the club.
It's always occurred to me (and this is purely guesswork) that Cook may have changed his mind on keeping Chambers on when clearly the player had loose lips and was criticising the manager in public. I would guess the discussion that appeared on here wasn't the only time.
I may be wrong of course but even so that tweet by Chambers was completely unnecessary and showed a lack of class.
As we move on I look forward to your continual insights unburdened by any personal feelings. What's gone has gone. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 11:24]
|
Many people in here have showed a “lack of class” if that’s your yardstick.
Certain TWTDers love dishing it out and hate taking some back don’t they. Cook ballsed it up and Chambo had a little dig so what? The way some of these Mary’s are carrying on you’d think he shot their dog. | |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:30 - Dec 5 with 2066 views | jayessess |
We're constantly hearing on here that last season's squad were "total wasters", who "downed tools". Cook's public comments last season massively contributed to that perception. A little schadenfreude on their part seems reasonable to me. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:32 - Dec 5 with 2055 views | Darth_Koont |
| Chambo has spoken on 22:35 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe |
His Ipswich career was ended by a nobody who lasted 5 minutes- no wonder he’s annoyed |
That’s a pretty pathetic descriptor there. Or very telling, I can’t decide.
But even more pathetic/telling that you’d keep the comment up there. |  |
| |
| Chambo has spoken on 11:35 - Dec 5 with 2033 views | Beckets |
| Chambo has spoken on 10:01 - Dec 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I think Cook, and even Ashton, should have moved heaven and earth to sell a long term project, backed with the Americans money, to Downes and Dozzell.
That is my issue with how the former academy players were handled.
Cook didn’t try to stop them leaving because he didn’t want them.
And for people saying that Downes had been wanting to play at a higher level, well so did Morsy, Harper, Edmunson, Bonne, Edwards, Penney, Celina, Aluko. All dropped down a division to play for “Chequebook United”. No effort was made with Downes and Dozzell.
That didn’t feel right to me. |
Good post. My sentiments entirely. |  | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
