| Chambo has spoken 21:49 - Dec 4 with 32994 views | Illinoisblue |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:04 - Dec 5 with 1373 views | chrismakin |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:02 - Dec 5 by GlasgowBlue |
I don't recall that but down arrows are completely different to 30 odd poster giving somebody a kicking. |
Tbf it's just nice it's not me. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:10 - Dec 5 with 1331 views | Yallop |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:02 - Dec 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
To be fair Joe, some of the posts reported for 'abuse' have no abuse in them what-so-ever.
You went down the wrong road and revealed your true colours on Cook, a point of view, that over the last 9 months you have been at pains to call out posters that accused you of that very same bias.
Chambo, Lankester and Bish will only be footnotes on the clubs history too, and all of those binned off last year, treated every single supporter at this club badly. If this years players aren't performing to their abilities, then neither did any of the preceding lot.
I get that you were/are mates with Chambo and co, but for me that will always make you the most un-subjective poster on the board at times, and particularly around Cook and the former players.
Which is a shame as you can be a very insightful, nuanced poster. |
I don't actually believe this nonsense that Cook treated players badly. He made decisions based on football and taking the club forward. Obviously Chambers might not be happy but he earnt good money here over a long period and the time to end that was right.
The others that left haven't hit out at Cook. In fact some have done the opposite. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:14 - Dec 5 with 1305 views | itfcjoe |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:03 - Dec 5 by portmanking |
As if you reported my post as 'abuse'. Your behaviour has been off the scale. |
A cheap personal remark, clearly abusive
What is my off the scale behaviour? Not rating a manager who has now been sacked? |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:16 - Dec 5 with 1285 views | itfcjoe |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:10 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
I don't actually believe this nonsense that Cook treated players badly. He made decisions based on football and taking the club forward. Obviously Chambers might not be happy but he earnt good money here over a long period and the time to end that was right.
The others that left haven't hit out at Cook. In fact some have done the opposite. |
There’s a difference between making decisions ruthlessly, and then delivering the news.
Respect can be shown even when releasing players | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:29 - Dec 5 with 1212 views | Yallop |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:16 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
There’s a difference between making decisions ruthlessly, and then delivering the news.
Respect can be shown even when releasing players |
No one takes bad news well. I don't believe a word of not delivering it a good manner. None of the players apart from your mate have spoken out. Cook's a good guy. Even Norwood said so. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:31 - Dec 5 with 1186 views | DanTheMan |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:29 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
No one takes bad news well. I don't believe a word of not delivering it a good manner. None of the players apart from your mate have spoken out. Cook's a good guy. Even Norwood said so. |
"Even Norwood said so".
Are we really using a multiple drink driver who has also dressed up in black face as a good judge of character? |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:33 - Dec 5 with 1171 views | portmanking |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:14 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
A cheap personal remark, clearly abusive
What is my off the scale behaviour? Not rating a manager who has now been sacked? |
In what way was it personal?! I was merely describing how you've been acting. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:34 - Dec 5 with 1162 views | Yallop |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:31 - Dec 5 by DanTheMan |
"Even Norwood said so".
Are we really using a multiple drink driver who has also dressed up in black face as a good judge of character? |
Fair point probably not the best character reference! The general point is right though. Cook released a lot of players. None have spoken out. If he was an ar se about it we'd have heard. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 15:35]
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:35 - Dec 5 with 1152 views | Beckets |
| Chambo has spoken on 14:50 - Dec 5 by stickymockwell |
This thread!
Joe's a goodun and is entitled to an opinion. It really wasn't that offensive. |
Emotions have run high since the news broke but there is nothing in this thread that bears comparison with the post from Keanish last night. Some of us were lucky enough to read it before it was pulled. Rantastic. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:35 - Dec 5 with 1147 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:16 - Dec 5 by itfcjoe |
There’s a difference between making decisions ruthlessly, and then delivering the news.
Respect can be shown even when releasing players |
Why do you think someone who has told their contract won't be renewed after previously being told that it would be, might then decide to tell you, (a known poster on one of the main ITFC message boards), that it was 'done ruthlessly' Joe?
Blinkers off chap. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:36 - Dec 5 with 1135 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:34 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
Fair point probably not the best character reference! The general point is right though. Cook released a lot of players. None have spoken out. If he was an ar se about it we'd have heard. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 15:35]
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Pretty sure Bishop has also said something about it actually.
Edit - yep, he has: https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/bishop-on-his-itfc-exit-and-lincoln-83 [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 15:38]
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:37 - Dec 5 with 1121 views | DanTheMan |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:34 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
Fair point probably not the best character reference! The general point is right though. Cook released a lot of players. None have spoken out. If he was an ar se about it we'd have heard. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 15:35]
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Could have potentially just been Chambers who was messed about.
The thing is we don't really know. The people who have been at the club before have said nothing but good things about Chambers as a person, and he was pretty much a model professional here. It seems odd to me he'd be this annoyed about things if something wasn't odd.
And it's even weirder people are seeing him obviously been upset about it as an excuse to have a pop at him. It's all so weird to me.
EDIT: As Herbs put above, Bishop at least alluded to it being a bit off. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 15:40]
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:39 - Dec 5 with 1088 views | mrshallisfit |
| Chambo has spoken on 14:39 - Dec 5 by Darth_Koont |
The “nobody” stuff is just silly and unnecessary, Joe.
Don’t be a plum. |
What Chambers said was classless. You accepting such a n action is classless too. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:40 - Dec 5 with 1083 views | Yallop |
He said it felt brutal to be told he could go, but understood he didn't fit into the plans and there's no bad blood with him and Cook. He appreciated Cook being straight.
Bishop took it like a man. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:40 - Dec 5 with 1079 views | footers |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:37 - Dec 5 by DanTheMan |
Could have potentially just been Chambers who was messed about.
The thing is we don't really know. The people who have been at the club before have said nothing but good things about Chambers as a person, and he was pretty much a model professional here. It seems odd to me he'd be this annoyed about things if something wasn't odd.
And it's even weirder people are seeing him obviously been upset about it as an excuse to have a pop at him. It's all so weird to me.
EDIT: As Herbs put above, Bishop at least alluded to it being a bit off. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 15:40]
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End of the day, two wrongs don't make a right. Maybe Cook was rough on him but he'd have garnered more sympathy had he not retaliated like that. I'm sure it's frustrating for him but he wasn't buttering any parsnips at this level any longer. How Cook conducted himself, as you say, we won't know. But Chambers' time was done. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:41 - Dec 5 with 1069 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
“But football is a brutal game so you have to expect that sort of thing and you have to deal with it.
The new manager (Cook) came in and, a few weeks after that it was quite apparent to me that I needed a new start because I didn’t really fit into his plans. I knew a couple of months before the end of the season, really.
“At the same time, I wanted to move on because I knew I didn’t fit the style of play the manager wanted and that he didn’t have a position for me because he’s very firm in his formation."
“It was a difficult time because I’d never been on loan, love the club and love the fans. Dealing with all of that was really hard. Probably the hardest bit.”
Bishop insists ‘there is no bad blood’ between him, Cook or Ipswich, though.
“It happens,” he continued. “Managers have their style of play and it’s worked for him everywhere, so it’s not surprising you want to keep to that. "
Compared to Chambo's post yesterday. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:42 - Dec 5 with 1061 views | Dubtractor |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:35 - Dec 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Why do you think someone who has told their contract won't be renewed after previously being told that it would be, might then decide to tell you, (a known poster on one of the main ITFC message boards), that it was 'done ruthlessly' Joe?
Blinkers off chap. |
Pretty certain that the likes of Phil and the EADT boys have reported on the unnecessarily brutal way players were released on more than one occasion. This isn't new news from Joe, it has been widely know for ages - even Cook calling himself demolition man tells you everything you need to know about how he went about it. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:49 - Dec 5 with 1001 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:42 - Dec 5 by Dubtractor |
Pretty certain that the likes of Phil and the EADT boys have reported on the unnecessarily brutal way players were released on more than one occasion. This isn't new news from Joe, it has been widely know for ages - even Cook calling himself demolition man tells you everything you need to know about how he went about it. |
It's pretty incredible that those who backed Cook to the hilt are still so intent on backing him, even rewriting history to do so. He will go down as one of our worst managers in history and hopefully all being well he'll barely be discussed once we get back up to the Championship. I don't understand why some are still so emotionally invested in him. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:52 - Dec 5 with 985 views | mylittletown |
| Chambo has spoken on 14:21 - Dec 5 by Dennyx4 |
Yes, agree they both didn't want to be here.
What I was trying to say, was that it was beneficial for us to get the funds in to make the purchases that we did. And that these two were the only ones, that were worthy of staying.
I see a lot of posts, about we should have kept x or y - however we needed to shift the losing mentality within the squad.
IMO - and I know not a popular one, but Chambers best position whilst at Ipswich was Right Back - but that was never going to happen with the system Cook wanted to play. |
Agree.
He was a below average but not hopeless Championship full-back and nothing like as good at CB. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:53 - Dec 5 with 975 views | footers |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:49 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
It's pretty incredible that those who backed Cook to the hilt are still so intent on backing him, even rewriting history to do so. He will go down as one of our worst managers in history and hopefully all being well he'll barely be discussed once we get back up to the Championship. I don't understand why some are still so emotionally invested in him. |
Think it's a lot to do with his positive personality and intention to play attacking football, seemed like a breath of fresh air compared to what's gone before. Certainly blinded me longer than it should've done.
But in the end the pointless manager-speak and contradictions were too much. Oh and the results and performances, of course! | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:57 - Dec 5 with 946 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:49 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
It's pretty incredible that those who backed Cook to the hilt are still so intent on backing him, even rewriting history to do so. He will go down as one of our worst managers in history and hopefully all being well he'll barely be discussed once we get back up to the Championship. I don't understand why some are still so emotionally invested in him. |
I don't think anyone is still invested in Cook at all. He's gone.
It would be like those who were so invested in McCarthy even after he went wouldn't it?
However, people are very right to call out posters who vociferously defended that they were not 'Anti Cook', only to seemingly reveal after he's binned that those posters were correct and they were indeed anti Cook, despite the stuff aimed at those who accused them of it previously.
As I've mentioned to you already, I find your ,(and others, to be completely fair), constant theme today of acting like the smug victor quite off putting. No one has 'won' here, we are still 11th in the league, with a squad who's confidence is shot to bits hopefully whoever comes in can do better than Cook, my worry is, if they don't, what happens in May? [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 16:00]
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| Chambo has spoken on 15:57 - Dec 5 with 944 views | Yallop |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:49 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
It's pretty incredible that those who backed Cook to the hilt are still so intent on backing him, even rewriting history to do so. He will go down as one of our worst managers in history and hopefully all being well he'll barely be discussed once we get back up to the Championship. I don't understand why some are still so emotionally invested in him. |
How is history being rewritten then? | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:00 - Dec 5 with 934 views | DanTheMan |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:40 - Dec 5 by footers |
End of the day, two wrongs don't make a right. Maybe Cook was rough on him but he'd have garnered more sympathy had he not retaliated like that. I'm sure it's frustrating for him but he wasn't buttering any parsnips at this level any longer. How Cook conducted himself, as you say, we won't know. But Chambers' time was done. |
Yup, as I said earlier he shouldn't have said anything. He did delete it though so this all seems like a storm in a teacup to me. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:03 - Dec 5 with 905 views | Darth_Koont |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:49 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
It's pretty incredible that those who backed Cook to the hilt are still so intent on backing him, even rewriting history to do so. He will go down as one of our worst managers in history and hopefully all being well he'll barely be discussed once we get back up to the Championship. I don't understand why some are still so emotionally invested in him. |
Because it wasn’t as simple as that. His record with us wasn’t good enough but is he a bad manager as people made out?
His record before never suggested that. That’s why patience may have paid off. Completely different from Hurst who made a total hash of his transfer business and devalued the squad almost overnight. Or Lambert/Jewell etc. who had years to work with the players with diminishing returns.
Gamechanger and Ashton acting quickly doesn’t mean that it’s the same situation. It’s more that they also need to protect their own record or they’ll be in trouble.
So all in all I think Cook might have even given more of a chance with this team. And I really hope this doesn’t set a new standard in how long we give our managers and players. If Cook wasn’t right then they need to learn from it rather than just throwing the dice with a new manager and letting him carry the can. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:06 - Dec 5 with 877 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:57 - Dec 5 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I don't think anyone is still invested in Cook at all. He's gone.
It would be like those who were so invested in McCarthy even after he went wouldn't it?
However, people are very right to call out posters who vociferously defended that they were not 'Anti Cook', only to seemingly reveal after he's binned that those posters were correct and they were indeed anti Cook, despite the stuff aimed at those who accused them of it previously.
As I've mentioned to you already, I find your ,(and others, to be completely fair), constant theme today of acting like the smug victor quite off putting. No one has 'won' here, we are still 11th in the league, with a squad who's confidence is shot to bits hopefully whoever comes in can do better than Cook, my worry is, if they don't, what happens in May? [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 16:00]
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And you just seem butt hurt that you backed the wrong horse, while we're speaking frankly. Nobody wanted Cook to fail, not even Joe who is clearly the devil incarnate, but fail he did. I'm not happy about it, I'd have much preferred him to be a roaring success, so there's really not a lot to gloat about. We can however at least hope now that the next manager is a better fit and can genuinely get us moving forward.
Perhaps I've missed it but I've not seen you taking issue with some of the posters who have spent the last 18 hours or so desperately trying to blame their fellow fans for Cook losing his job. I'd say their tone is probably what you want to be taking issue with. Indeed you yourself started a rather divisive thread about the fan base, trying to pigeonhole everyone as inners or outers. Maybe reflect on your own tone too before pontificating at others. Just a thought. | |
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