| Chambo has spoken 21:49 - Dec 4 with 32392 views | Illinoisblue |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:09 - Dec 5 with 1098 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 15:57 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
How is history being rewritten then? |
Have a look at your own recent posts on this thread, fella. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:10 - Dec 5 with 1093 views | footers |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:00 - Dec 5 by DanTheMan |
Yup, as I said earlier he shouldn't have said anything. He did delete it though so this all seems like a storm in a teacup to me. |
Or a coffee cup? |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:11 - Dec 5 with 1070 views | brushhand |
| Chambo has spoken on 22:38 - Dec 4 by wkj |
It was also ended by him being old and unable to perform for an entire season. His ability seemed to go the same way as Ipswich Town really - plateaued for a bit then sunk quite rapidly. |
his ipswich carear lasted 2 yrs longer than it should!!! |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:12 - Dec 5 with 1062 views | Yallop |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:09 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
Have a look at your own recent posts on this thread, fella. |
Go for it. I'll repeat what I said many players were released none have spoken out badly of Cook. They might not have agreed but they took it and moved on. |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:15 - Dec 5 with 1033 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:12 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
Go for it. I'll repeat what I said many players were released none have spoken out badly of Cook. They might not have agreed but they took it and moved on. |
So when Bishop said that the way his release was handled was "brutal, almost disrespectful" you don't consider that to be an example of speaking out about how Cook handled it? And you're happy to ignore the wide reporting at the time that players' Town careers - in some cases several years of their life - were ended with a cursory 30 second dismissal? Righto. Definitely no revisionism going on here. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:17 - Dec 5 with 1025 views | N2_Blue |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:06 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
And you just seem butt hurt that you backed the wrong horse, while we're speaking frankly. Nobody wanted Cook to fail, not even Joe who is clearly the devil incarnate, but fail he did. I'm not happy about it, I'd have much preferred him to be a roaring success, so there's really not a lot to gloat about. We can however at least hope now that the next manager is a better fit and can genuinely get us moving forward.
Perhaps I've missed it but I've not seen you taking issue with some of the posters who have spent the last 18 hours or so desperately trying to blame their fellow fans for Cook losing his job. I'd say their tone is probably what you want to be taking issue with. Indeed you yourself started a rather divisive thread about the fan base, trying to pigeonhole everyone as inners or outers. Maybe reflect on your own tone too before pontificating at others. Just a thought. |
Well said.
Pot Kettle black comes to mind when i recall Cheltenham Blues posts from yesterday |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:24 - Dec 5 with 990 views | Darth_Koont |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:15 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
So when Bishop said that the way his release was handled was "brutal, almost disrespectful" you don't consider that to be an example of speaking out about how Cook handled it? And you're happy to ignore the wide reporting at the time that players' Town careers - in some cases several years of their life - were ended with a cursory 30 second dismissal? Righto. Definitely no revisionism going on here. |
Isn’t that how it’s done for senior pros? I think straight to the point is standard – especially when they pretty much all knew it was coming.
It’s Bishop’s first experience of it and possibly Chambers first time being released so may have hit hard too. But they’re kidding themselves if either thought they were likely to stay.
On that note, I’d have been gobsmacked if Chambers had been given a new deal by any manager. Let alone when we were talking about a complete revamp/upgrade of the squad. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:25 - Dec 5 with 975 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:06 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
And you just seem butt hurt that you backed the wrong horse, while we're speaking frankly. Nobody wanted Cook to fail, not even Joe who is clearly the devil incarnate, but fail he did. I'm not happy about it, I'd have much preferred him to be a roaring success, so there's really not a lot to gloat about. We can however at least hope now that the next manager is a better fit and can genuinely get us moving forward.
Perhaps I've missed it but I've not seen you taking issue with some of the posters who have spent the last 18 hours or so desperately trying to blame their fellow fans for Cook losing his job. I'd say their tone is probably what you want to be taking issue with. Indeed you yourself started a rather divisive thread about the fan base, trying to pigeonhole everyone as inners or outers. Maybe reflect on your own tone too before pontificating at others. Just a thought. |
Don't talk wet. I couldn't give two sh its that Cook has gone. He wasn't good enough, that was clear. I personally thought, given his previous record that he would be given more time here, at least the next window, to see if he could get in the players he clearly thought were lacking for his system to work.
He wasn't given the time. Oh Well. On to the next.
There are always going to be 'inners' and 'outers' anyone thinking there won't be are lying to be frank. Cook came here with a 47% win percentage, upset some players by telling them a few home truths and from that moment onward, some of our fanbase didn't like him, using phrases like 'loyal servants' and 'disrespect'. Frankly some of our fanbase are too emotional and to connected to the past, this fixation on our youth for example, as though we are still producing Burley's, Butcher's, Dyers and Bents. We haven't done that for over a decade and when we get one to a point they might affect the first team, we sell them anyway, its what we do.
I haven't responded to those blaming fellow fans for getting Cook sacked because it doesn't warrant response, its patently utter bull sh it. The sheer idea that the club are hearing boos in the ground, but are listening to MarkyP, Joe, Yourself and others on when to sack Cook is fanciful at best, unhinged at its worst
The 'divisive thread' you refer to where I 'pigeonhole' inners and outers currently sits on +11 uppies, so not particularly divisive.
I get you and others wanted Cook out, and I understand why, 100%, unacceptable performance given his backing. But Joe's reaction, Is clearly, clearly well over the top. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:26 - Dec 5 with 969 views | Yallop |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:15 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
So when Bishop said that the way his release was handled was "brutal, almost disrespectful" you don't consider that to be an example of speaking out about how Cook handled it? And you're happy to ignore the wide reporting at the time that players' Town careers - in some cases several years of their life - were ended with a cursory 30 second dismissal? Righto. Definitely no revisionism going on here. |
Bishop said he wanted to move and there's no bad blood with Cook.
Sears, Watkins, Ward, Wilson, Judge, Skuse etc..... would've spoken out directly if Cook delivered it as awful as some exergerate. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:27 - Dec 5 with 954 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:24 - Dec 5 by Darth_Koont |
Isn’t that how it’s done for senior pros? I think straight to the point is standard – especially when they pretty much all knew it was coming.
It’s Bishop’s first experience of it and possibly Chambers first time being released so may have hit hard too. But they’re kidding themselves if either thought they were likely to stay.
On that note, I’d have been gobsmacked if Chambers had been given a new deal by any manager. Let alone when we were talking about a complete revamp/upgrade of the squad. |
Then maybe Cook shouldn't have led him to believe he was being offered a new deal more or less up until he released him?
I think any manager who gleefully tells the press they are going to be "demolition man" and then goes about speaking to the players the way he's reported to have done isn't doing himself too many favours. A lot loved it at the time, clearly many still love it now. For others it doesn't really sit right. I can't really blame Chambers for having a tame nibble back to be honest, it's hardly the egregious act some are making it out to be. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:30 - Dec 5 with 926 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:26 - Dec 5 by Yallop |
Bishop said he wanted to move and there's no bad blood with Cook.
Sears, Watkins, Ward, Wilson, Judge, Skuse etc..... would've spoken out directly if Cook delivered it as awful as some exergerate. |
You're right, my bad, it's really common for players to go around openly bad mouthing managers in the press. And yes, I'm sure when Bishop said that the way his exit was handled was "brutal, almost disrespectful" he actually meant that as a compliment. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:32 - Dec 5 with 917 views | Darth_Koont |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:27 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
Then maybe Cook shouldn't have led him to believe he was being offered a new deal more or less up until he released him?
I think any manager who gleefully tells the press they are going to be "demolition man" and then goes about speaking to the players the way he's reported to have done isn't doing himself too many favours. A lot loved it at the time, clearly many still love it now. For others it doesn't really sit right. I can't really blame Chambers for having a tame nibble back to be honest, it's hardly the egregious act some are making it out to be. |
I don’t mind it particularly. As you say, pretty tame.
I also don’t mind players being released. It’s part and parcel. So Chambers wasn’t offered a contract in the end? He turned down the contract at Forest to leave on a free so that sort of thing happens. And I’m sure Forest had to “man up” too. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:34 - Dec 5 with 897 views | monytowbray |
| Chambo has spoken on 22:35 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe |
His Ipswich career was ended by a nobody who lasted 5 minutes- no wonder he’s annoyed |
How is this competition for most downvoted post? Am I missing some context that makes what Joe said incorrect or factually irrelevant?
Or is Chambers now a scapegoat bogeyman? |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:35 - Dec 5 with 892 views | Herbivore |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:32 - Dec 5 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t mind it particularly. As you say, pretty tame.
I also don’t mind players being released. It’s part and parcel. So Chambers wasn’t offered a contract in the end? He turned down the contract at Forest to leave on a free so that sort of thing happens. And I’m sure Forest had to “man up” too. |
Players being released isn't an issue, but you can handle it with class or you can call yourself "demolition man". These are the choices we all have to make I guess. I do find it odd that some are so upset about a Chambers having a little dig back given the circumstances. Can't really blame him. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:36 - Dec 5 with 892 views | Darth_Koont |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:30 - Dec 5 by Herbivore |
You're right, my bad, it's really common for players to go around openly bad mouthing managers in the press. And yes, I'm sure when Bishop said that the way his exit was handled was "brutal, almost disrespectful" he actually meant that as a compliment. |
He said that’s how the experience felt. But that was Cook doing his job and says he had no problem with that.
I guess we read it how we want to read it. The clickbaity headline made it sound way worse too. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:39 - Dec 5 with 876 views | Darth_Koont |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:34 - Dec 5 by monytowbray |
How is this competition for most downvoted post? Am I missing some context that makes what Joe said incorrect or factually irrelevant?
Or is Chambers now a scapegoat bogeyman? |
I don’t know about anybody else but the “nobody” rankled. Forget the emotion, the booze or whatever, it felt a very cheap shot.
Still does even if Joe has explained it a bit better today. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:42 - Dec 5 with 860 views | istanblue |
| Chambo has spoken on 13:44 - Dec 5 by stopmoaning |
If Cook is a nobody, what is Chambers?! Never played a game in the premier league did he? |
Not a big fan of Chambers, but how many games has Cook managed in the PL? |  | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:46 - Dec 5 with 825 views | chicoazul |
So much inane pearl clutching on here and elsewhere online from grow men who think it’s ok to shout abuse and invective online at one of our loyalist hardest working players over a silly comment made in the heat of the moment, and no doubt regularly abuse home and away players at matches too. Several of you need to look in the mirror. |  |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:49 - Dec 5 with 801 views | monytowbray |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:39 - Dec 5 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t know about anybody else but the “nobody” rankled. Forget the emotion, the booze or whatever, it felt a very cheap shot.
Still does even if Joe has explained it a bit better today. |
I’m catching up but I don’t disagree with the statement in context to ITFC. Chambers is a bigger part of our folklore than Cook, and more likely to have a memorial design at PR than Cook in the future.
In regards to wider football the statement doesn’t work, but as someone who’s been victim many a time to “NO THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU MEANT I DECIDE WHAT YOU MEANT AND I’M DOUBLING DOWN TO KEEP THE PILE ON GOING” threads, this screams of it.
I mean, in a way mildly amusing as Joe was a front runner of vegan threads and doing it my way back in the day, but also Joe in general is a decent poster and any past (seitan mock) beef is water under the bridge. But also I see a few others who never have an issue doing it to other posters taking the moral high ground.
TWTD, I rarely come on here now and I don’t miss it much. I expect I’m not missed much either. It’s like screaming into the abyss these days. I’d rather smoke a J and chat face to face about issues with those open minded to listening, keyboards and egos make the internet in general a hellish affair.
But back to the OP, I’ll always have more time for Chambers than Cook. Did people forget this last minute goal against scum, his role in the MM side that was our only season of note in the last 15 years and the atmosphere the fist pump brought? It was a relationship too many like to focus on the latter of and forget the good times.
We’ve all let Alan Lee off for going to scum, folks need to get over it. He was right, Cook f**ked it. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:49 - Dec 5 with 801 views | footers |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:39 - Dec 5 by Darth_Koont |
I don’t know about anybody else but the “nobody” rankled. Forget the emotion, the booze or whatever, it felt a very cheap shot.
Still does even if Joe has explained it a bit better today. |
Indeed. It came across as spiteful to me. And it's pretty clear Joe's had a grudge towards Cook ever since the Chambers incident. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:52 - Dec 5 with 763 views | JDB23 |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:42 - Dec 5 by istanblue |
Not a big fan of Chambers, but how many games has Cook managed in the PL? |
Paul Cook played in the premier league. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:53 - Dec 5 with 757 views | monytowbray |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:49 - Dec 5 by footers |
Indeed. It came across as spiteful to me. And it's pretty clear Joe's had a grudge towards Cook ever since the Chambers incident. |
Plenty of spiteful comments about Chambers in here that are worse. Choose your battles. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:54 - Dec 5 with 751 views | ZXBlue |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:34 - Dec 5 by monytowbray |
How is this competition for most downvoted post? Am I missing some context that makes what Joe said incorrect or factually irrelevant?
Or is Chambers now a scapegoat bogeyman? |
Joe and Chambers have embarrassed themselves here. | | | |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:55 - Dec 5 with 739 views | Darth_Koont |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:49 - Dec 5 by monytowbray |
I’m catching up but I don’t disagree with the statement in context to ITFC. Chambers is a bigger part of our folklore than Cook, and more likely to have a memorial design at PR than Cook in the future.
In regards to wider football the statement doesn’t work, but as someone who’s been victim many a time to “NO THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU MEANT I DECIDE WHAT YOU MEANT AND I’M DOUBLING DOWN TO KEEP THE PILE ON GOING” threads, this screams of it.
I mean, in a way mildly amusing as Joe was a front runner of vegan threads and doing it my way back in the day, but also Joe in general is a decent poster and any past (seitan mock) beef is water under the bridge. But also I see a few others who never have an issue doing it to other posters taking the moral high ground.
TWTD, I rarely come on here now and I don’t miss it much. I expect I’m not missed much either. It’s like screaming into the abyss these days. I’d rather smoke a J and chat face to face about issues with those open minded to listening, keyboards and egos make the internet in general a hellish affair.
But back to the OP, I’ll always have more time for Chambers than Cook. Did people forget this last minute goal against scum, his role in the MM side that was our only season of note in the last 15 years and the atmosphere the fist pump brought? It was a relationship too many like to focus on the latter of and forget the good times.
We’ve all let Alan Lee off for going to scum, folks need to get over it. He was right, Cook f**ked it. |
I don’t have a problem with Chambers’s “beef” with Cook. Really tame stuff, on the whole.
But he can’t feel hard done by either. The writing was on every wall when the squad overhaul was on the horizon.
No need for the silly reactions on either side. | |
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| Chambo has spoken on 16:56 - Dec 5 with 727 views | monytowbray |
| Chambo has spoken on 16:54 - Dec 5 by ZXBlue |
Joe and Chambers have embarrassed themselves here. |
What, by being right?!
If we’re gonna start calling Chambers out for having a “told you so” moment publicly there’s going to be a lot of TWTDers to tell off on the follow up list, myself included. | |
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