| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. 13:41 - Jan 11 with 4087 views | Charlie_pl_baxter |
I've been wondering this for ages, but the longer Labour go without doing this, the more I think it must be in service of a larger strategic goal. Even Angela Rayner didn't call for his resignation when asked fairly directly on TV.
I think Labour are already confident he will be gone before the next election and don't want to give his replacement time to repair the damage. Also, the longer the Conservatives let Johnson stay in post the more collateral damage is done to their reputation rather than just Johnson's.
Just my musings but I'd be interested to know what others think. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:27 - Jan 11 with 1085 views | Darth_Koont |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:26 - Jan 11 by giant_stow |
Really? You should have said so before. |
And you should have responded. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:32 - Jan 11 with 1069 views | lowhouseblue |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:27 - Jan 11 by Darth_Koont |
And you should have responded. |
i think he probably did the first 100 times. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:36 - Jan 11 with 1052 views | giant_stow |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:32 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
i think he probably did the first 100 times. |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:48 - Jan 11 with 1021 views | Darth_Koont |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:32 - Jan 11 by lowhouseblue |
i think he probably did the first 100 times. |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 16:08 - Jan 11 with 968 views | HARRY10 |
"As many as 100 people were invited to a "bring-your-own-booze" drinks event in the Downing Street garden during the first lockdown, it is understood."
"On the same day, Oliver Dowden, the culture secretary, had reminded the public at a press conference: “You can meet one person outside of your household in an outdoor, public place provided that you stay 2 metres apart."
Mr Johnson has denied any knowledge of the party, by claiming he was hiding in a fridge at the time - a claim, he is certain voters will believe. |  | | |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:07 - Jan 11 with 919 views | chicoazul |
I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this. Grow up and shut up or go out and take action. This is all a smokescreen to let you think you can do anything about the elites in this country, the useless opposition aren’t helping either. The police are corrupt the government are corrupt institutions are corrupt and it’s been that way in this country since Cromwell failed. Get used to it. Nothing at all will happen while our current system protects itself above all costs. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:18 - Jan 11 with 885 views | BlueBadger |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:07 - Jan 11 by chicoazul |
I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this. Grow up and shut up or go out and take action. This is all a smokescreen to let you think you can do anything about the elites in this country, the useless opposition aren’t helping either. The police are corrupt the government are corrupt institutions are corrupt and it’s been that way in this country since Cromwell failed. Get used to it. Nothing at all will happen while our current system protects itself above all costs. |
Who said that first? Ed Gein or Peter Sutcliffe? |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:19 - Jan 11 with 891 views | HARRY10 |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:07 - Jan 11 by chicoazul |
I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this. Grow up and shut up or go out and take action. This is all a smokescreen to let you think you can do anything about the elites in this country, the useless opposition aren’t helping either. The police are corrupt the government are corrupt institutions are corrupt and it’s been that way in this country since Cromwell failed. Get used to it. Nothing at all will happen while our current system protects itself above all costs. |
"I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this"
apart from you, it would appear | | | |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:22 - Jan 11 with 886 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:07 - Jan 11 by chicoazul |
I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this. Grow up and shut up or go out and take action. This is all a smokescreen to let you think you can do anything about the elites in this country, the useless opposition aren’t helping either. The police are corrupt the government are corrupt institutions are corrupt and it’s been that way in this country since Cromwell failed. Get used to it. Nothing at all will happen while our current system protects itself above all costs. |
Dusting off my AK-47 as we speak.... |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:30 - Jan 11 with 879 views | Herbivore |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:07 - Jan 11 by chicoazul |
I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this. Grow up and shut up or go out and take action. This is all a smokescreen to let you think you can do anything about the elites in this country, the useless opposition aren’t helping either. The police are corrupt the government are corrupt institutions are corrupt and it’s been that way in this country since Cromwell failed. Get used to it. Nothing at all will happen while our current system protects itself above all costs. |
What a bizarre attitude. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 18:28 - Jan 11 with 835 views | factual_blue |
He's Labour's biggest electoral asset. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 18:54 - Jan 11 with 819 views | Plums |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 15:00 - Jan 11 by Chrisd |
What’s more a worry for Labour is for all the Tory ‘faux pas’ they are still not able to convince the general public that they are a viable opposition. I’m not sure Starmer as Labour leader heading into the next general election has enough about him to entice the majority to vote for them, I simply don’t see him as PM material. The Tories have let themselves down so many times recently and Labour appear incapable of capitalising. |
They don’t need to. Starmer’s a skilled barrister, he can see that Johnson and his crew are perfectly capable of digging their own grave without him getting his hands dirty. He’s biding his time, taking the high ground without moralising or doing anything to provoke a negative (as opposed to inert) reaction and will take them apart when the time comes.
I’m not a Labour supporter by any stretch but he’s playing his hand very well. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 19:29 - Jan 11 with 778 views | Swansea_Blue |
This talk of playing the long game doesn’t wash with me. First of all we don’t know if that’s the case. Secondly, even if it is the case there’s no guarantee it will be successful as everything could be different come the next election. Thirdly, it implicitly pardons (or at least gives the impression of being happy to look the other way) all of their disgraceful behaviour. From the chumocricy, the negligent waste of public money, the scandals, repeated breaches of laws and the regular misleading of parliament.
Rather than play a long game geared solely around winning political capital, I’d rather see values and laws upheld. Not that long ago much of what’s gone on would have ended in resignations. And there’s a seemingly strong case for at least one criminal investigation. The a Opposition should be all over them now. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 20:35 - Jan 11 with 738 views | footers |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:07 - Jan 11 by chicoazul |
I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this. Grow up and shut up or go out and take action. This is all a smokescreen to let you think you can do anything about the elites in this country, the useless opposition aren’t helping either. The police are corrupt the government are corrupt institutions are corrupt and it’s been that way in this country since Cromwell failed. Get used to it. Nothing at all will happen while our current system protects itself above all costs. |
I'll save this for the next time you're cosplaying as Hitchens and pontificating on major issues like a kissless virgin playing with a bra strap. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 20:38 - Jan 11 with 730 views | Dyland |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 17:07 - Jan 11 by chicoazul |
I seriously believe you should all stop talking about this. Grow up and shut up or go out and take action. This is all a smokescreen to let you think you can do anything about the elites in this country, the useless opposition aren’t helping either. The police are corrupt the government are corrupt institutions are corrupt and it’s been that way in this country since Cromwell failed. Get used to it. Nothing at all will happen while our current system protects itself above all costs. |
lol |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 20:49 - Jan 11 with 704 views | Plums |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 19:29 - Jan 11 by Swansea_Blue |
This talk of playing the long game doesn’t wash with me. First of all we don’t know if that’s the case. Secondly, even if it is the case there’s no guarantee it will be successful as everything could be different come the next election. Thirdly, it implicitly pardons (or at least gives the impression of being happy to look the other way) all of their disgraceful behaviour. From the chumocricy, the negligent waste of public money, the scandals, repeated breaches of laws and the regular misleading of parliament.
Rather than play a long game geared solely around winning political capital, I’d rather see values and laws upheld. Not that long ago much of what’s gone on would have ended in resignations. And there’s a seemingly strong case for at least one criminal investigation. The a Opposition should be all over them now. |
I don’t disagree with any of that, Standards in public life have never been lower in the modern era and it’s criminal what the Conservative party are responsible for in terms of destruction of this country and its reputation.
However, if opposition parties are able to point the finger at the end of this parliament and say ‘this must never happen again’ and it drives electoral reform and removal of the sh1tshow of a system that has enabled Johnson et al to act with impunity then I’m happy to go down that route. As you say, we don’t know what the long game is but I sincerely hope there is one. | |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 20:54 - Jan 11 with 700 views | HARRY10 |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 19:29 - Jan 11 by Swansea_Blue |
This talk of playing the long game doesn’t wash with me. First of all we don’t know if that’s the case. Secondly, even if it is the case there’s no guarantee it will be successful as everything could be different come the next election. Thirdly, it implicitly pardons (or at least gives the impression of being happy to look the other way) all of their disgraceful behaviour. From the chumocricy, the negligent waste of public money, the scandals, repeated breaches of laws and the regular misleading of parliament.
Rather than play a long game geared solely around winning political capital, I’d rather see values and laws upheld. Not that long ago much of what’s gone on would have ended in resignations. And there’s a seemingly strong case for at least one criminal investigation. The a Opposition should be all over them now. |
eh ?
I am not sure what you think the opposition should be doing, that they are not doing
No what this long game is either | | | |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:40 - Jan 12 with 585 views | tractordownsouth |
KS called for the resignation today. I'm surprised at this, I still think the Tories will wait until at least April to ditch Johnson, either after the tax increases come in or the local election results, which will presumably be bad for them. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:44 - Jan 12 with 552 views | StokieBlue |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:40 - Jan 12 by tractordownsouth |
KS called for the resignation today. I'm surprised at this, I still think the Tories will wait until at least April to ditch Johnson, either after the tax increases come in or the local election results, which will presumably be bad for them. |
I don't see how they can.
The public are going to get more and more upset with him being there another 3 months, it'll do more damage to the Tories than changing him now and the new person having to deal with those issues.
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:53 - Jan 12 with 525 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:40 - Jan 12 by tractordownsouth |
KS called for the resignation today. I'm surprised at this, I still think the Tories will wait until at least April to ditch Johnson, either after the tax increases come in or the local election results, which will presumably be bad for them. |
I think Starmer has been bounced into calling or Johnson to resign in the same way Jezza was in backing an election.
Neither scenario suited either Labour leader. |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:56 - Jan 12 with 514 views | tractordownsouth |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:44 - Jan 12 by StokieBlue |
I don't see how they can.
The public are going to get more and more upset with him being there another 3 months, it'll do more damage to the Tories than changing him now and the new person having to deal with those issues.
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Whatever happens, I think the most interesting aspect of this is the 2019 'Red Wall' intake. The only MPs so far to have taken a stance either way so far seem to be ones with big majorities who have been there for a while (Michael Fabricant for the defence and Nigel Mills for the prosecution) whereas the 2019ers are the ones with the smallest majorities so will be the most worried about potentially losing their seats. But then there's the added caveat that most of them owe Johnson their seats so possibly feel more loyalty to him than most.
No doubt Sunak and Truss are drumming up support among their parliamentary colleagues already though. | |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:58 - Jan 12 with 505 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:56 - Jan 12 by tractordownsouth |
Whatever happens, I think the most interesting aspect of this is the 2019 'Red Wall' intake. The only MPs so far to have taken a stance either way so far seem to be ones with big majorities who have been there for a while (Michael Fabricant for the defence and Nigel Mills for the prosecution) whereas the 2019ers are the ones with the smallest majorities so will be the most worried about potentially losing their seats. But then there's the added caveat that most of them owe Johnson their seats so possibly feel more loyalty to him than most.
No doubt Sunak and Truss are drumming up support among their parliamentary colleagues already though. |
Buy shares in Nadhim Zahawi. He's my dark horse. | |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 13:00 - Jan 12 with 499 views | itfcjoe |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 12:53 - Jan 12 by GlasgowBlue |
I think Starmer has been bounced into calling or Johnson to resign in the same way Jezza was in backing an election.
Neither scenario suited either Labour leader. |
I guess the difference in this one is if BoJo resigns it will not be ebcause it has beenc alled for - and Starmer can make that request fully in the knowledge it plays out well and means nothing |  |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 13:01 - Jan 12 with 491 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 13:00 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
I guess the difference in this one is if BoJo resigns it will not be ebcause it has beenc alled for - and Starmer can make that request fully in the knowledge it plays out well and means nothing |
Johnson's future is now in Sue Grey's hands. He's put all of his eggs in her basket. | |
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| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 13:04 - Jan 12 with 481 views | StokieBlue |
| Some musings on why Labour haven't called for Johnson's resignation. on 13:01 - Jan 12 by GlasgowBlue |
Johnson's future is now in Sue Grey's hands. He's put all of his eggs in her basket. |
It shouldn't matter.
Sometimes things shouldn't just be about politics and what is best for Labour or the Tories at this moment in time.
He's a fooking disgrace. He is devaluing the office and making the UK look like a political basketcase.
He has to go now, let's put the politics aside for once and make sure the right thing is done.
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