| Russell Brand 23:28 - Sep 15 with 46425 views | _clive_baker_ |
Big weekend for him then |  | | |  |
| Russell Brand on 17:43 - Sep 18 with 4191 views | chicoazul |
| Russell Brand on 17:11 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Seems like with the line "get away with it" Joe has made his mind up.
I'm not claiming he's innocent either, I'd just rather all this was done in a court of law than by journalists/social media. |
Well I suppose all the women could be lying eh Jerseys? |  |
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| Russell Brand on 18:03 - Sep 18 with 4131 views | itfc_bucks |
I used to do a bit on the comedy circuit.
I've worked with quite a few "2nd tier" comedians, and some of the stories about RB don't bear thinking about. Lots of corroboration from multiple sources, some of whom know from first hand experience.
I wouldn't expect it to end here, there will be one or two more "names" that come out, I'd expect. |  | | |
| Russell Brand on 18:21 - Sep 18 with 4090 views | LankHenners |
| Russell Brand on 16:44 - Sep 18 by pointofblue |
Whilst I understand that, it is also a case of trial via social media now. Brand has not been charged or sentenced with anything but most seem certain he is guilty, and others certain of his innocence. Allegations like this should be decided in court, not via the populace online. And perhaps the starting point is the Home Office looking at the way rape and sexual trials are run, so they're as fair towards the alleged victim and the accused. |
Think in this day and age the phrase 'trial by social media' used like this is a bit naive as instances such as this will always draw heavy discussion and you can't really blame people for talking about it.
Don't really think the equivalence between the Brand fans and conspiracy nutters claiming he's a target of the 'deep state' or whatever and people sympathising with the alleged victims is fair either. As you allude to it's incredibly difficult to get a criminal conviction in such circumstances anyway if it did get to a trial so if that eventuality happened would it be appropriate for people to still criticise him? I don't see why it wouldn't be. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 18:24 - Sep 18 with 4067 views | MattinLondon |
| Russell Brand on 17:43 - Sep 18 by chicoazul |
Well I suppose all the women could be lying eh Jerseys? |
No one claimed that Brand is innocent and he does come across as a complete bell end. But surly this makes the concept of a fair trial almost impossible. |  | | |
| Russell Brand on 18:38 - Sep 18 with 4035 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Russell Brand on 17:11 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Indeed. Seems like with the line "get away with it" Joe has made his mind up.
I'm not claiming he's innocent either, I'd just rather all this was done in a court of law than by journalists/social media. |
Savile was reported to the police on numerous occasions. He was even interviewed by the police. Never charged and never convicted.
The conviction rate for rape and sexual assault is minuscule. Whereas Dispatches and the Times have spent 4 years investigations these allegations. They have witness statements and would have run this past their lawyers one hundredfold.
It’s not trial by media. It’s a case of watching the Dispatches programme and listening to the alleged victims, then making up your own mind.
Unfortunately, some people have been too invested in the cult of Brand to treat this story impartially. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 18:49]
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| Russell Brand on 18:53 - Sep 18 with 3988 views | bluelagos |
| Russell Brand on 18:38 - Sep 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Savile was reported to the police on numerous occasions. He was even interviewed by the police. Never charged and never convicted.
The conviction rate for rape and sexual assault is minuscule. Whereas Dispatches and the Times have spent 4 years investigations these allegations. They have witness statements and would have run this past their lawyers one hundredfold.
It’s not trial by media. It’s a case of watching the Dispatches programme and listening to the alleged victims, then making up your own mind.
Unfortunately, some people have been too invested in the cult of Brand to treat this story impartially. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 18:49]
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Absolutely.
And if the justice system was fit for purpose then I am sure many of his alleged victims would be going first to the police and seeking justice through the criminal justice system. No way they want to be having to air their experiences in the press years later, rather it is their last desperate attempt to get some kind of belated action.
You are spot on about conviction rates for sexual violence, they are pitiful in the UK and that can't encourage victims of sexual violence to come forward and report crime. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 19:33 - Sep 18 with 3918 views | Ryorry |
| Russell Brand on 18:53 - Sep 18 by bluelagos |
Absolutely.
And if the justice system was fit for purpose then I am sure many of his alleged victims would be going first to the police and seeking justice through the criminal justice system. No way they want to be having to air their experiences in the press years later, rather it is their last desperate attempt to get some kind of belated action.
You are spot on about conviction rates for sexual violence, they are pitiful in the UK and that can't encourage victims of sexual violence to come forward and report crime. |
Not just a question of the legislation, how it’s made to work (or not) and the willingness (or not) to implement what’s already in place - or bring in new laws - but a matter of resources and finances made available.
As you know, the Tories’ #austerity has resulted in drastic cuts to numbers of police officers in recent years, they’re overstretched in terms of dealing with all crimes, even the most serious ones.
Edit: As is the entire court system of course, including buildings, personnel and remand spaces in prisons. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 19:36]
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| Russell Brand on 19:37 - Sep 18 with 3910 views | lowhouseblue |
| Russell Brand on 18:38 - Sep 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Savile was reported to the police on numerous occasions. He was even interviewed by the police. Never charged and never convicted.
The conviction rate for rape and sexual assault is minuscule. Whereas Dispatches and the Times have spent 4 years investigations these allegations. They have witness statements and would have run this past their lawyers one hundredfold.
It’s not trial by media. It’s a case of watching the Dispatches programme and listening to the alleged victims, then making up your own mind.
Unfortunately, some people have been too invested in the cult of Brand to treat this story impartially. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 18:49]
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with brand i suspect it may be a question of what comes out next. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 19:50 - Sep 18 with 3897 views | itfcjoe |
| Russell Brand on 16:44 - Sep 18 by pointofblue |
Whilst I understand that, it is also a case of trial via social media now. Brand has not been charged or sentenced with anything but most seem certain he is guilty, and others certain of his innocence. Allegations like this should be decided in court, not via the populace online. And perhaps the starting point is the Home Office looking at the way rape and sexual trials are run, so they're as fair towards the alleged victim and the accused. |
I think the evidence has been presented properly, the LA ‘rape’ has corroborating messages and evidence - he hasn’t disputed he was seeing a 16 year old school girl at 31. Often these things may not be illegal but they show the measure of the man and what his morals are.
Funny that all his followers were deciding that the BBC was full of sexual deviants because Huw Edwards has been paying someone else off but prepared to dismiss all this stuff.
It just fits into the culture war now, but if people can’t see what his ‘wellness’ pivot is then that’s up to them - I personally don’t need to see women dragged through the courts |  |
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| Russell Brand on 20:12 - Sep 18 with 3836 views | chicoazul |
| Russell Brand on 18:24 - Sep 18 by MattinLondon |
No one claimed that Brand is innocent and he does come across as a complete bell end. But surly this makes the concept of a fair trial almost impossible. |
He’s not on trial. | |
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| Russell Brand on 20:23 - Sep 18 with 3808 views | pointofblue |
| Russell Brand on 19:50 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe |
I think the evidence has been presented properly, the LA ‘rape’ has corroborating messages and evidence - he hasn’t disputed he was seeing a 16 year old school girl at 31. Often these things may not be illegal but they show the measure of the man and what his morals are.
Funny that all his followers were deciding that the BBC was full of sexual deviants because Huw Edwards has been paying someone else off but prepared to dismiss all this stuff.
It just fits into the culture war now, but if people can’t see what his ‘wellness’ pivot is then that’s up to them - I personally don’t need to see women dragged through the courts |
That results in the whole legal premise of "innocent until proven guilty" breaking down, not that those who are running around claiming his innocence are any better. I'm pretty sure judges have said before that speculation and entrenched views on social media have caused issues when it comes to trials as well, as it has created problems when coming to form an unbiased jury.
Someone has gone to the police, and my hope, if guilty, is that the media revelations drawing others out will form a concrete case against him which means he will be sentenced. Perhaps even those who saw things will find the confidence to come forward as well. Build a concrete case so he is sentenced and end up where he belongs.
Just to add - some who'd like to see things handled via legal means, including myself, will also think that culture wars are a danger to society. | |
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| Russell Brand on 20:30 - Sep 18 with 3781 views | blueasfook |
I just been reading some Twitter (I just can't get used to calling it X) threads and Twitter opinion seems split on political lines.
Lefties have him guilty. Righties have him being mercilessly set up by the establishment and MSM.
Gotta love Twitter. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 20:36 - Sep 18 with 3745 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Russell Brand on 15:04 - Sep 17 by ibbleobble |
This forum is generally pretty decent with the exception of you, Herbivore and Mullet strutting about with some kind of superiority complex (again, given the context of what this platform is, deeply ironic). The way you lump on any post all together reminds me of playground bullies - take the constant bad ridiculing of Frimmer’s posts for example. Only, you’re all a little bit wet and remind me more of the Power Puff Girls; Blossom, Bubbles and Buttercup.
Divide up between you who wants to be who. |
On a post about toxic male culture you post an insult which basically amounts to "You're a girl".
Blossom is the bad ass you dream of being, anyway. | | | |
| Russell Brand on 20:43 - Sep 18 with 3676 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Russell Brand on 20:23 - Sep 18 by pointofblue |
That results in the whole legal premise of "innocent until proven guilty" breaking down, not that those who are running around claiming his innocence are any better. I'm pretty sure judges have said before that speculation and entrenched views on social media have caused issues when it comes to trials as well, as it has created problems when coming to form an unbiased jury.
Someone has gone to the police, and my hope, if guilty, is that the media revelations drawing others out will form a concrete case against him which means he will be sentenced. Perhaps even those who saw things will find the confidence to come forward as well. Build a concrete case so he is sentenced and end up where he belongs.
Just to add - some who'd like to see things handled via legal means, including myself, will also think that culture wars are a danger to society. |
Very very difficult to succesfully pursue a case like this so long after the event. | | | |
| Russell Brand on 20:46 - Sep 18 with 3659 views | pointofblue |
| Russell Brand on 20:43 - Sep 18 by redrickstuhaart |
Very very difficult to succesfully pursue a case like this so long after the event. |
It is more difficult, but not impossible. Look at Rolf Harris. | |
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| Russell Brand on 20:48 - Sep 18 with 3652 views | nodge_blue |
| Russell Brand on 12:02 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Have you read the memoirs? They're mostly about mental health problems, loneliness/being an outsider, not having a father and then drug addiction, with sex addiction and a quest for fame as things to fill the void after drugs, particularly the first book. They're not really "about his shagging exploits". |
Is that the book where he says he spat in a girls face after she slapped him or the book where he says
What kind of man was I? Treating women in this way? If this is what I’m telling you, can you imagine what’s being left out
Or the book where he says
Lesley Douglas [the former BBC radio controller] was incredibly tolerant of my behaviour at Radio 2. If you listen to old 6 Music podcasts, you will notice that all the competition winners that came into the studio while we broadcast as a prize were female. This is because there was an additional aspect to the prize which could never be explicitly stated due to the BBC’s rigid policy prohibiting the misuse of the disabled lavvy.” ( [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 20:52]
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| Russell Brand on 21:04 - Sep 18 with 3594 views | Herbivore |
Just watched Dispatches, really grim watch. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 22:00 - Sep 18 with 3490 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Russell Brand on 20:23 - Sep 18 by pointofblue |
That results in the whole legal premise of "innocent until proven guilty" breaking down, not that those who are running around claiming his innocence are any better. I'm pretty sure judges have said before that speculation and entrenched views on social media have caused issues when it comes to trials as well, as it has created problems when coming to form an unbiased jury.
Someone has gone to the police, and my hope, if guilty, is that the media revelations drawing others out will form a concrete case against him which means he will be sentenced. Perhaps even those who saw things will find the confidence to come forward as well. Build a concrete case so he is sentenced and end up where he belongs.
Just to add - some who'd like to see things handled via legal means, including myself, will also think that culture wars are a danger to society. |
I’m amazed this is all playing out in the public sphere well away from the judicial system. It’s a freak show circus at the moment. I understand that media coverage could help encourage any victims to come forward, yet the coverage seems well over the top. The investigation should be managed by the police, not the media and trial by public opinion. But then i’m not interested in the celebrity* gossip scene and seemingly lots of people are).
*I’m using the term celebrity loosely, as he hasn’t been a household name for many years, has he? Maybe I’m just out of touch, and if I am I’m happily so. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 22:22 - Sep 18 with 3427 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Russell Brand on 19:50 - Sep 18 by itfcjoe |
I think the evidence has been presented properly, the LA ‘rape’ has corroborating messages and evidence - he hasn’t disputed he was seeing a 16 year old school girl at 31. Often these things may not be illegal but they show the measure of the man and what his morals are.
Funny that all his followers were deciding that the BBC was full of sexual deviants because Huw Edwards has been paying someone else off but prepared to dismiss all this stuff.
It just fits into the culture war now, but if people can’t see what his ‘wellness’ pivot is then that’s up to them - I personally don’t need to see women dragged through the courts |
Yes, not refuting seeing a 16 year old as a bloke in his 30s should be a smoking gun as to his degeneracy. | | | |
| Russell Brand on 22:43 - Sep 18 with 3375 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 17:14 - Sep 18 by Herbivore |
Have a look at the conviction rate for rapists and the horrible things victims have to go through as part of the process and it's not hard to understand why victims might be reluctant to go to the police. |
Totally agree. The whole system needs looking at if women would rather speak to a journalist than the police. |  |
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| Russell Brand on 22:54 - Sep 18 with 3351 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Russell Brand on 18:38 - Sep 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Savile was reported to the police on numerous occasions. He was even interviewed by the police. Never charged and never convicted.
The conviction rate for rape and sexual assault is minuscule. Whereas Dispatches and the Times have spent 4 years investigations these allegations. They have witness statements and would have run this past their lawyers one hundredfold.
It’s not trial by media. It’s a case of watching the Dispatches programme and listening to the alleged victims, then making up your own mind.
Unfortunately, some people have been too invested in the cult of Brand to treat this story impartially. [Post edited 18 Sep 2023 18:49]
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A thinly veiled pop at me but I've been impartial and not defended any of these allegations.
I totally agree that the conviction rate for rape and sexual assault is a disgrace in this country, but that wasn't really my point. I'd be very wary of the media being allowed to be judge and jury in ANY case regardless of who it is or what the crime is. The fact that the police aren't fit for purpose on these matters is just another thing that's all wrong with this. We should be looking at them rather than saying in that case it's ok for journalists and commentators to decide. | |
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| Russell Brand on 23:02 - Sep 18 with 3315 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Russell Brand on 22:43 - Sep 18 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Totally agree. The whole system needs looking at if women would rather speak to a journalist than the police. |
Its very difficult. The very nature of the crime means that evidence is problematic.
Don't be fooled by the government talking about introducing specialist courts etc. Specialists judges and lawyers have been doing this stuff for years. The biggest problem is it takes years to progress because the system is so painfully under resourced over many years: both police and courts. | | | |
| Russell Brand on 23:14 - Sep 18 with 3279 views | Swansea_Blue |
Hadn’t seen that, cheers. There’s a lot of smoke with this isn’t there? I’d still prefer the CPS and a jury to decide whether to shout ‘fire’, rather than the public, but I guess I can’t affect that. More importantly, I hope those with complaints are treated fairly, as the way we treat victims/likely victims of sexual assault is a bloody disgrace (as has already been pointed out on the thread).
It’s interesting to see people politicising this too. We’re far from over the populist divide exacerbated over the last 6-7 years aren’t we? I saw the Mail headline while I was wiring up in the Coop earlier. They were wanging on about ‘The Left’. I assume when people get their views from algorithm controlled social media or biased press, it’s inevitable things get dumbed down. Politics or the division lines in politics today are irrelevant. If he’s assaulted people, hopefully he’s brought to justice and the victims find some closure. The rest is just performative theatre and noise. | |
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| Russell Brand on 23:25 - Sep 18 with 3237 views | lowhouseblue |
| Russell Brand on 23:14 - Sep 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Hadn’t seen that, cheers. There’s a lot of smoke with this isn’t there? I’d still prefer the CPS and a jury to decide whether to shout ‘fire’, rather than the public, but I guess I can’t affect that. More importantly, I hope those with complaints are treated fairly, as the way we treat victims/likely victims of sexual assault is a bloody disgrace (as has already been pointed out on the thread).
It’s interesting to see people politicising this too. We’re far from over the populist divide exacerbated over the last 6-7 years aren’t we? I saw the Mail headline while I was wiring up in the Coop earlier. They were wanging on about ‘The Left’. I assume when people get their views from algorithm controlled social media or biased press, it’s inevitable things get dumbed down. Politics or the division lines in politics today are irrelevant. If he’s assaulted people, hopefully he’s brought to justice and the victims find some closure. The rest is just performative theatre and noise. |
whether he's guilty of something illegal i have no idea and it's for the cps and courts to decide. but at a lower level it's difficult to avoid the view that's he's quite a slime ball. what i find most interesting is the extent to which yet again 'talent' are allowed to do what they want and the people running institutions seem to turn a blind eye. they all seem to run around kowtowing to these mutated egos | |
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| Russell Brand on 23:57 - Sep 18 with 3171 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Russell Brand on 23:25 - Sep 18 by lowhouseblue |
whether he's guilty of something illegal i have no idea and it's for the cps and courts to decide. but at a lower level it's difficult to avoid the view that's he's quite a slime ball. what i find most interesting is the extent to which yet again 'talent' are allowed to do what they want and the people running institutions seem to turn a blind eye. they all seem to run around kowtowing to these mutated egos |
Maybe the institutional and industry response (or lack of) explains the reaction. The Beeb got a good kicking (rightly) after Saville and this has similar echos to it. And it sounds like lessons may not have been learnt. | |
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