| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... 17:26 - Jan 17 with 11856 views | bluesym |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:21 - Jan 17 with 2766 views | catch74 |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 17:41 - Jan 17 by SitfcB |
Ever since Iāve heard him mentioned Iāve thought it would be fāking brilliant and a bloody good story if he were to help us get promoted. |
Maybe if you ask nicely.
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:21 - Jan 17 with 2763 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:18 - Jan 17 by cressi |
Don't think this happening hears Cardiff have offered 1.5 million Bournemouth want 2 million on a permanent deal and Cardiff is Moores preferred destination. |
Ah well, It was good while it lasted. |  | | |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:26 - Jan 17 with 2698 views | BlueBadger |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 17:40 - Jan 17 by textbackup |
I donāt know if Iām just batsht crazy saying this, but Iāve read a few āhe doesnāt suit our styleā postsā¦
But, we have Leif Davis chucking balls in from the left, Burns on the rightā¦ and Moore is 19 feet tallā¦ whatās not to like about this?! |
Burns just whacks it though. |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:27 - Jan 17 with 2700 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 18:56 - Jan 17 by Parky |
Iām not paid a lot of money from the club to scout and recommend players though, we have people who are though.
FWIW, Iād personally be knocking on the door of Thomas-Asante at West Brom, theyāre in a bit of financial trouble.
Like I said in my original post, my opinion doesnāt mean anything, whoever we sign, Iāll get behind and hope they get us up. Just initial thoughts are that weāre struggling to get our targets over the line. |
As good as TA is, not sure what we need right now is someone away at AFCON. And there would be no chance they'd sell him to a championship rival anyway. |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:34 - Jan 17 with 2637 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 17:47 - Jan 17 by Plums |
It would result in a number of people having to eat a large slice of humble pie after his initial spell with us so we can't possibly entertain that situation arising. |
Really? He was dreadful when with us. That he's improved immeasurably since he left is to his credit, but no-one should be eating humble pie for saying what they saw at the time. |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:35 - Jan 17 with 2642 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:18 - Jan 17 by cressi |
Don't think this happening hears Cardiff have offered 1.5 million Bournemouth want 2 million on a permanent deal and Cardiff is Moores preferred destination. |
I'm not convinced the ties with Cardiff are that strong.
He's not from there (only plays for Wales through his grandparents, who were from North Wales), and has only ever lived in Wales for 18 months while playing for Cardiff in a fairly underwhelming team.
The wise football move would be Ipswich. |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:37 - Jan 17 with 2600 views | Parky |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:27 - Jan 17 by JammyDodgerrr |
As good as TA is, not sure what we need right now is someone away at AFCON. And there would be no chance they'd sell him to a championship rival anyway. |
He isnāt going to AFCON, and whilst West Brom wouldnāt want to sell him to us, the below link explains why they could be pressured to:
https://www.westbromnews.co.uk/2024/01/14/west-brom-face-serious-threat-of-brand |  | | |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:49 - Jan 17 with 2506 views | textbackup |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:07 - Jan 17 by ReusersTown |
Well the implication you seem to be making is that Moore is a better finisher than Hirst so we will be better off.
For a start his career to date and his age. Not that he won't be able to press, but not to the point that we require to maintain our level of effectiveness with Hirst. |
Am I?!
Sorry you see it that way, certainly not the way it was intended |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 20:08 - Jan 17 with 2361 views | textbackup |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:10 - Jan 17 by homer_123 |
I've posted before about this.
Scoring goals is obviously needed from your striker(s) (be it a two or a one up top). However, if we look at the way we approach games with Hirst leading the line. What he does sets the tempo and triggers what others do.
If you spent some time just watching him and what he does - namely out of possession and off the ball, it's quite something and I've no doubt this is part of the reason for the success we are having/ have had. It's clear not solely down to him as we were effective before he joined.
If we take Jackson's performance in isolation last time out - even those who don't have time for Jackson noted he was much more 'Hirst' like in his performance.
Do I think Moore is capable of the Hirst role, no I honestly don't think he is. Can he do some or a large part of it? Yes - because the one thing I don't see us doing is slinging the ball long all the time or just pinging balls in the box - he's at Bournemouth and they generally play good football on the deck.
I think he can finish well and he's got good feet (forget the Norwich game), so there are elements that will work.
I do think we'll need to tweak a little bit to get the best from him and also to make things work with what KM wants from us. |
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| Told ya. (n/t) on 20:16 - Jan 17 with 2330 views | PhilTWTD |
| Told ya. (n/t) on 18:40 - Jan 17 by Parky |
Do you think weāre still holding out for Stansfield as well? I had been told we were trying hard for a permanent, but Fulham werenāt budging. |
We'll want two strikers. I think the plan with Stansfield had been a loan, that was what I was told when I first heard about it (and Fulham being concerned about how much he plays would suggest a loan is how they envisage it), but assume we'd have scope to buy someone if we get Kieffer in on loan. Not sure what Fulham would want for him if they were prepared to sell him. |  | | |
| Told ya. (n/t) on 20:21 - Jan 17 with 2283 views | BseaBlue |
| Told ya. (n/t) on 20:16 - Jan 17 by PhilTWTD |
We'll want two strikers. I think the plan with Stansfield had been a loan, that was what I was told when I first heard about it (and Fulham being concerned about how much he plays would suggest a loan is how they envisage it), but assume we'd have scope to buy someone if we get Kieffer in on loan. Not sure what Fulham would want for him if they were prepared to sell him. |
Am I right in thinking Gallagher can play in the wide positions as well? Might be a case of Moore coming in on loan and buying Gallagher if Blackburn give in, as another player that has the flexibility to do numerous roles for us. |  | | |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 20:58 - Jan 17 with 2136 views | Guthrum |
Well, people were saying we needed Moore options for strikers to sign. |  |
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| Told ya. (n/t) on 21:32 - Jan 17 with 1966 views | PhilTWTD |
| Told ya. (n/t) on 20:21 - Jan 17 by BseaBlue |
Am I right in thinking Gallagher can play in the wide positions as well? Might be a case of Moore coming in on loan and buying Gallagher if Blackburn give in, as another player that has the flexibility to do numerous roles for us. |
I've wondered if we might want them both as well. Think SG has played as well. | | | |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 21:47 - Jan 17 with 1871 views | Swansea_Blue |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 17:43 - Jan 17 by iamipswich |
I think it's the off the ball element of the game that people have concerns about. On it, I agree with you I think his strengths play into our hands.
Is he mobile enough to press tirelessly even for an hour and really put the pressure on the defenders from the front? I don't know. I won't pretend to have watched much of him. |
Iāve seen him twice live this season and he struggled to not move for 45 minutes, let alone press tirelessly. Maybe he was coming back from injury or something, but he was rubbish. Iām sure weāll do our due diligence and so if this happens I hope to be pleasantly surprised. |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 21:49 - Jan 17 with 1852 views | Mullet |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 20:58 - Jan 17 by Guthrum |
Well, people were saying we needed Moore options for strikers to sign. |
You're better than this. |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 22:17 - Jan 17 with 1668 views | DarkBrandon |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 17:51 - Jan 17 by textbackup |
Iāve watched games where Hirst has failed to control a single ball into him, and been terribly wasteful infront of goal.
Yet we are sitting 2nd.
Moore gives a different dynamic, something teams havenāt necessarily seen us play like, anothe chink in the armour |
I donāt think you have seen games like that, no |  | | |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 22:19 - Jan 17 with 1651 views | NthQldITFC |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 21:49 - Jan 17 by Mullet |
You're better than this. |
Are you saying less is Moore? |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 22:21 - Jan 17 with 1623 views | Keno |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 21:49 - Jan 17 by Mullet |
You're better than this. |
Even if I thought of that I would have had the decency to Keifer to myself |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 08:49 - Jan 18 with 1272 views | BiGDonnie |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 19:09 - Jan 17 by chicoazul |
Lots of egg on TWTD faces if true. He canāt play our way, etc |
Yup. Some utter legend mentioned him on here way back. Same guy who's top of the Championship prediction table  |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 09:01 - Jan 18 with 1242 views | CityBlue |
There is no way the club are gong to dish out Ā£25k per week for a loan player.
Increase the offer to Gallagher and pay him Ā£18k pw |  |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 09:37 - Jan 18 with 1120 views | tractorboy1978 |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 09:01 - Jan 18 by CityBlue |
There is no way the club are gong to dish out Ā£25k per week for a loan player.
Increase the offer to Gallagher and pay him Ā£18k pw |
Do you really want to have Gallagher on your books at Ā£18k a week for 3 years? Moore might be costly short term but it's for 3/4 months to try and get us over the line. | | | |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 09:42 - Jan 18 with 1096 views | _clive_baker_ |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 09:37 - Jan 18 by tractorboy1978 |
Do you really want to have Gallagher on your books at Ā£18k a week for 3 years? Moore might be costly short term but it's for 3/4 months to try and get us over the line. |
That's definitely one way of looking at it.
Assuming the above numbers were true for a second, Moore would cost about Ā£150k more than Gallagher between now and the end of the season. That's about the prize money we would get if we beat Maidstone. By the end of the season SG might well be available on a free if Blackburn are reluctant to trigger his extension. We would also be operating in a summer market where there's going to be more options and be clear on what division we'll be playing in next season.
I think there's a lot of merit in a loan signing right now rather than committing to a significant longer term financial commitment on someone who would arguably be understudy to a fit Hirst. |  | | |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 10:03 - Jan 18 with 980 views | tractorboy1978 |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 09:42 - Jan 18 by _clive_baker_ |
That's definitely one way of looking at it.
Assuming the above numbers were true for a second, Moore would cost about Ā£150k more than Gallagher between now and the end of the season. That's about the prize money we would get if we beat Maidstone. By the end of the season SG might well be available on a free if Blackburn are reluctant to trigger his extension. We would also be operating in a summer market where there's going to be more options and be clear on what division we'll be playing in next season.
I think there's a lot of merit in a loan signing right now rather than committing to a significant longer term financial commitment on someone who would arguably be understudy to a fit Hirst. |
Yeah that is the way I am thinking too. If we achieve what we want to this season then there is no way we will be thinking about signing SG next summer. Financially/longer term planning wise, Moore makes more sense as we can reassess in the summer as you say.
I struggle to see Bournemouth doing anything with Moore until the final knockings though to be honest. That's when they are going to strike the best deal as clubs get desperate.
Feels a bit like we have a lot of spinning plates and we may end up taking what and who we can when they become available. Not sure plan A, B or C really comes into it. [Post edited 18 Jan 10:06]
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 10:16 - Jan 18 with 913 views | NthQldITFC |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 09:42 - Jan 18 by _clive_baker_ |
That's definitely one way of looking at it.
Assuming the above numbers were true for a second, Moore would cost about Ā£150k more than Gallagher between now and the end of the season. That's about the prize money we would get if we beat Maidstone. By the end of the season SG might well be available on a free if Blackburn are reluctant to trigger his extension. We would also be operating in a summer market where there's going to be more options and be clear on what division we'll be playing in next season.
I think there's a lot of merit in a loan signing right now rather than committing to a significant longer term financial commitment on someone who would arguably be understudy to a fit Hirst. |
Maybe, but with the caveat that 'understudy' probably means a good 30-35 minute spell in the second half of games most weeks (plus occasional starts) if the player is of high enough quality.
As it is we probably (unfortunately but inevitably) got to the situation this season where the understudies were actual understudies and getting minimum time consequently (possibly) overworking Hirst a bit.
I'd see it as more of an Eddie Jones style starters and finishers for our forward four positions these days.
Added to that there's the resale value and probably premium of a McKenna-coached player! | |
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| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 10:23 - Jan 18 with 869 views | _clive_baker_ |
| We have made a loan offer for Keiffer Moore apparently.... on 10:16 - Jan 18 by NthQldITFC |
Maybe, but with the caveat that 'understudy' probably means a good 30-35 minute spell in the second half of games most weeks (plus occasional starts) if the player is of high enough quality.
As it is we probably (unfortunately but inevitably) got to the situation this season where the understudies were actual understudies and getting minimum time consequently (possibly) overworking Hirst a bit.
I'd see it as more of an Eddie Jones style starters and finishers for our forward four positions these days.
Added to that there's the resale value and probably premium of a McKenna-coached player! |
Yeah I agree, we definitely need a replacement who doesn't represent a significant drop off vs. what Hirst offers us. We've not had that all season, hence he's been flogged week in, week out out of necessity.
I just wonder if Gallagher is truly that player, or whether its the circumstances and timings that prompt it. There's a bit of balance to be had as to whether he's the right long term option or just a right now option, in which case a loan might be more prudent. | | | |
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