| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. 11:29 - Jul 18 with 8931 views | Matt_Netherlands |
Is this a bit naive? Feel like some people are in for a bit of a nasty surprise at the big step up in quality this year.
We’ve had an incredible two years and we are strengthening very sensibly, but for me I still think it’ll be one hell of an achievement to stay up. I’ll take 17th place on goal difference right now.
I applaud the courage and optimism, but I just hope that doesn’t lead to blind complacency and the whole atmosphere around the club turning a bit sour if we got off to a bad start - which is very very possible.
Look at Sheff Utd last season. Went up with a similar number of points to us, spent a fair bit of money and then got ripped to shreds. I think our league cup game against Fulham last year shows there’s still a huge gap between the championship and mid table prem teams.
I fully trust in the process and know Kieran will have us incredibly well prepared, but I just hope there’s no sense of complacency and entitlement when the season kicks off.
Sensible Simon, over and out. |  | | |  |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 13:19 - Jul 18 with 1904 views | blue_curacao |
I think it's going to be very interesting to see how the management team and the players respond to runs of losses and being outplayed. It's not something we've witnessed yet under McKenna. I have complete faith that we have the right personalities and leadership in the group to get us through but none the less, it will bring a different atmosphere and dynamic - I wonder which players will emerge with reputations enhanced.
As others here have already said, as fans we need to stay positive and vocally supportive throughout no matter how difficult it may be at times. |  | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 13:24 - Jul 18 with 1879 views | stonojnr |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 11:41 - Jul 18 by SE1blue |
Seen Fulham match mentioned a couple of times in reference to us finding the Premier League challenging…the lineup we had against them, wasn’t our first XI and had a few very rare starters in it (Ball and Aluko to name a couple).
It’s going to be really tough but the first team has got the ability and the manager to have a really good go at this. |
Yeah but that was their reserve team and that was a team we wouldn't have been unhappy playing in the championship even if we rested a few players, but we barely laid a touch on them. Second to every ball, the pace, the strength they had.
I hope our 1st choice team are better able to compete, fitness will be a big thing I think our ball in play minutes has gone up again in thia league, so substitutes will be key, managing player rotation will be key.
I don't think it will be comfortable, but in McKenna we trust. | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 13:36 - Jul 18 with 1857 views | BiGDonnie |
Top 6 incoming. |  |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 14:31 - Jul 18 with 1788 views | giant_stow |
The last time the mighty yellows went up, I was convinced we'd get a top half finish, owing to the strong season in the Championship. arf. I think its normal for footy fans who've just won something to be sure it'll continue. |  |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 14:36 - Jul 18 with 1773 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 11:41 - Jul 18 by SE1blue |
Seen Fulham match mentioned a couple of times in reference to us finding the Premier League challenging…the lineup we had against them, wasn’t our first XI and had a few very rare starters in it (Ball and Aluko to name a couple).
It’s going to be really tough but the first team has got the ability and the manager to have a really good go at this. |
Did they mention the Wolves match? |  |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 14:45 - Jul 18 with 1762 views | Guthrum |
I don't think the Fulham game did show us that, really. Wasn't our usual League first team. Plus against that can be set our reserves beating Wolves, who finished one point and one place below Fulham.
If the gulf in overall standard were that huge, the promoted teams would always go back down - which they don't. Half the time, they stay up. |  |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 15:54 - Jul 18 with 1672 views | Guthrum |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 11:52 - Jul 18 by homer_123 |
If KM and Ashton deliver on what they said, which was fundamentally 'We'll give it a good go.'.
Then I do think we'll do OK. We have enough about us to score goals - certainly against the lower to mid table teams.
The reality is we may get a good going over by the top teams at times.
I'd rather we stayed true to the approach that has served us well, high press, high tempo attacking football than just park the bus.
It will be what it will be but I can see us somewhere around 15th (the irony of that position isn't lost on me). |
We don't need to beat the top teams.
If we can beat three teams twice, plus a further six teams once and add in a handful of draws, that should see us safe.
For example, if we can double Southampton, Forest and Brentford, then beat Leicester, Wolves, Everton, Fulham, Bournemouth and Brighton at Portman Road, avoiding defeat at the King Power, Molineaux and at home to Palace and West Ham, that puts us on 40 points. 15th place last season, 14th the one before, safe from relegation for the last decade. | |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 15:56 - Jul 18 with 1660 views | Guthrum |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 11:50 - Jul 18 by victorysquad |
We have unity across the entire football club, momentum and a fantastic manager, this can take us a long long way. If we (as fans) can adopt the 'if we concede we will just sing louder type mentality', it can be incredibly powerful.
So I think mindset is going to be massive, both on and off the pitch. |
As it was last season. Look at all the times we went behind, but fought on to win or draw. | |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:00 - Jul 18 with 1628 views | ElephantintheRoom |
I too worry that there are better teams than WBA and Leeds in the Prem - and more of them.
I wonder if McKenna has the tactical nous to cope with better teams week in, week out targeting Town’s obvious weaknesses. Or that VAR will not be kind to them.
Still…. Leicester look down already so who knows. | |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:11 - Jul 18 with 1586 views | Denny32 |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:00 - Jul 18 by ElephantintheRoom |
I too worry that there are better teams than WBA and Leeds in the Prem - and more of them.
I wonder if McKenna has the tactical nous to cope with better teams week in, week out targeting Town’s obvious weaknesses. Or that VAR will not be kind to them.
Still…. Leicester look down already so who knows. |
Mckenna knows he Can only take us so far in first season..as regards players we have from championship plus new players ..if there were no limits on what a club can spend and no restrictions as regards fair play..then I've no doubt he could bring in enough of players to get us mid way and upwards..but it is what it is ..and just keeping us in the league will be priority..nothing else..then from then on ..we can start building a team to compete with the rest...its going to be ugly at times and when we are losing maybe two or more in a row...we will start to wonder wall it be a short stay in the Premier league..but I think Mckenna is too good a manager to let us go back down without a fight..let's get behind the team. Especially when we at the bottom and hanging on | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:15 - Jul 18 with 1569 views | BlueBadger |
I don't think it'll be comfortable, but I DO think we'll do better than a lot of people are expecting us to. |  |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:19 - Jul 18 with 1551 views | greyhound |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 11:57 - Jul 18 by J2BLUE |
There is some extreme delusion. The funniest one was someone saying Ashton and McKenna definitely wouldn't take 17th now.
It's a massive step up. I have every confidence in McKenna and the squad though. |
They would take 17th next season and progress to 16th the one after. I expect we are 2 years ahead of schedule at this point and we got promoted with a team that was supposed to give us a firm foundation in the championship.
Mckenna will find his level here, he's certainly got what it takes but it's how many of the players can very quickly adapt and operate as a foil to many of the world's best players which will be the out and out challenge week after week. There won't be an easy game next season, those that came up with us will want 17th just as much as we do. | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:27 - Jul 18 with 1520 views | WestSussexBlue |
The big question is, who are the three sides then to finish below us.
It’s not a pessimistic but a realistic one.
We can presume both Leicester and Everton will have points deductions at some point but over 38 games could easily claw back 10 points for example. | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:33 - Jul 18 with 1499 views | Battersea_Blue |
Personally I think how we start will be a big indicator. I actually think it’s the best possible start.
Let’s say we get a 1-1 or 2-2 at home to Liverpool and say a 3-2 defeat at Man City.
That will actually give some confidence to the squad and also show McK precisely what the best in the division is like to play against. Especially if we score some goals
I trust McK implicitly and even if, after our first 2 games, show us as 0-0-2, 0-6, 0 , I still won’t worry as he’s smart enough to understand exactly what we need to do in order to gain points against “lesser” teams.
I’d take 0-1-1, 4-5, 1 right now. We wouldn’t be bottom, at least 1 team is gonna lose their first 2 games. Then we have a run of games where we can pick up points, with adjustments made after these 2 incredibly difficult first 2 games. | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:36 - Jul 18 with 1489 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:11 - Jul 18 by Denny32 |
Mckenna knows he Can only take us so far in first season..as regards players we have from championship plus new players ..if there were no limits on what a club can spend and no restrictions as regards fair play..then I've no doubt he could bring in enough of players to get us mid way and upwards..but it is what it is ..and just keeping us in the league will be priority..nothing else..then from then on ..we can start building a team to compete with the rest...its going to be ugly at times and when we are losing maybe two or more in a row...we will start to wonder wall it be a short stay in the Premier league..but I think Mckenna is too good a manager to let us go back down without a fight..let's get behind the team. Especially when we at the bottom and hanging on |
I’m old enough to remember the last time Town went up. They did pretty well adding only a central defender too injured to play and another central defender who ended up at full back. It was the following seasons when lots of signings arrived that things went pear-shaped very rapidly.
Other than the Hull defender I’m not convinced any of the new signings are a step up from what was already available - and there is the question of a job lot of incomers on eye watering salaries and signing on fees having an effect on a tightly-knit squad. I’m not sure McKenna touting himself for every available job will have gone unoticed either.
Stil. Assuming FFP will derail Forest and Everton again….. staying up is not entirely out of the question …. Perhaps. | |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:53 - Jul 18 with 1453 views | dirtyboy |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:36 - Jul 18 by ElephantintheRoom |
I’m old enough to remember the last time Town went up. They did pretty well adding only a central defender too injured to play and another central defender who ended up at full back. It was the following seasons when lots of signings arrived that things went pear-shaped very rapidly.
Other than the Hull defender I’m not convinced any of the new signings are a step up from what was already available - and there is the question of a job lot of incomers on eye watering salaries and signing on fees having an effect on a tightly-knit squad. I’m not sure McKenna touting himself for every available job will have gone unoticed either.
Stil. Assuming FFP will derail Forest and Everton again….. staying up is not entirely out of the question …. Perhaps. |
Delap is an upgrade on Jackson.
Omari is/was improving weekly, so was key to retain him.
Johnson is better than Axel at RB.
I'll reserve judgement on the keeper.
Glad we agree on Greaves.
Ultimately, whilst they're not huge jumps in class, they're improvements.
Staying up a huge ask. No question about it. |  | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:55 - Jul 18 with 1448 views | Blue_In_Boston |
My biggest concern is our style of play twinned with player confidence, do we have a plan B? Pass and move around our own 18 yard box has been fine in leagues where we have a lot of possession and we have generally been on the front foot. Premier League and we will have less of the ball, give a soft goal away and it is a mountain to climb. | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 17:07 - Jul 18 with 1431 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:53 - Jul 18 by dirtyboy |
Delap is an upgrade on Jackson.
Omari is/was improving weekly, so was key to retain him.
Johnson is better than Axel at RB.
I'll reserve judgement on the keeper.
Glad we agree on Greaves.
Ultimately, whilst they're not huge jumps in class, they're improvements.
Staying up a huge ask. No question about it. |
Delap ought to be better than Jackson - but better than Hirst? Not on last season’s evidence. Omari yes - but signing him is standing still - and is he up to the Prem?
I’d be surprised if Johnson looks a huge upgrade. The whole defence have got to get to know each other fairly quickly - five strangers some of whom are better individually might not be as good as last years mix. Bedding in a new goalie might change the whole dynamic too
However to my mind the problems are at the other end of the pitch…. Town usually needed a hatful of chances to score - and midfield looks a little vulnerable to speedy counter attacks. Shall we say, assuming they stay on the pitch | |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 17:17 - Jul 18 with 1415 views | Vaughan8 |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 11:45 - Jul 18 by GeoffSentence |
In the same vein, we beat Wolves.
I'd take a 50% home win rate this season. That would give us 27 points and put us well on the way to starying up. |
Home form is so important as you're unlikely to pick up many points away (usually).
Didn't Forest when they came up a few years had a really good home record, but didn't get many away, but still stayed up.
Also, you have to beat/play well against the right teams. The Luton's of last season played well against the top teams and ultimately drew/lost, but then lost to Sheffield united at home 3-1. I know you can't plan this though! | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 17:18 - Jul 18 with 1411 views | Vic |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:36 - Jul 18 by ElephantintheRoom |
I’m old enough to remember the last time Town went up. They did pretty well adding only a central defender too injured to play and another central defender who ended up at full back. It was the following seasons when lots of signings arrived that things went pear-shaped very rapidly.
Other than the Hull defender I’m not convinced any of the new signings are a step up from what was already available - and there is the question of a job lot of incomers on eye watering salaries and signing on fees having an effect on a tightly-knit squad. I’m not sure McKenna touting himself for every available job will have gone unoticed either.
Stil. Assuming FFP will derail Forest and Everton again….. staying up is not entirely out of the question …. Perhaps. |
Kind of agree - though we didn’t really sign many in season 2 did we. Three, maybe four?
There’s no doubt there’s an element of gamble in signing what would appear to be the cream of the Championship. But we’re not 8n a position to sign established Prem players. McKenna has proven himself so far to be an excellent coach so far and as such he’s right to back himself to produce a team capable of surviving a season in the prem. key factor is that he has coached at this level so knows what to expect.
As to disrupting the team spirit with higher earning incomes - not sure what you can do about that really. It’s a cost of success I guess. All we can see the the character of the players and so far they seem spot on - again.
Guess we’ll have to just wait and see. |  |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 17:21 - Jul 18 with 1390 views | Tampa_Florida_Blue |
I’m certainly agreeing with you and had already compare the Fulham display to. This time last year I was just hoping we could keep away from the relegation fight and I was going to be happy. I’m thinking this way this year to. The part which gives me hope is KM has a few seasons being assistant coach at Man U so he knows what it takes more so than the last 2 seasons. |  | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 18:06 - Jul 18 with 1330 views | MK1 |
I will happily take 17th right now, as long as at least one of our wins is against Liverpool. Think we will find the Premier League a different beast to how it was last time up here. Wins will be much shorter supply than the last 2 season, but hopefully enough to keep us up. Would love us to surprise a few and stay up with games to spare. |  |
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| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 19:56 - Jul 18 with 1256 views | RadioOrwell |
I have seen literally no-one saying we’ll comfortably stay up. |  | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 19:58 - Jul 18 with 1252 views | RadioOrwell |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 16:33 - Jul 18 by Battersea_Blue |
Personally I think how we start will be a big indicator. I actually think it’s the best possible start.
Let’s say we get a 1-1 or 2-2 at home to Liverpool and say a 3-2 defeat at Man City.
That will actually give some confidence to the squad and also show McK precisely what the best in the division is like to play against. Especially if we score some goals
I trust McK implicitly and even if, after our first 2 games, show us as 0-0-2, 0-6, 0 , I still won’t worry as he’s smart enough to understand exactly what we need to do in order to gain points against “lesser” teams.
I’d take 0-1-1, 4-5, 1 right now. We wouldn’t be bottom, at least 1 team is gonna lose their first 2 games. Then we have a run of games where we can pick up points, with adjustments made after these 2 incredibly difficult first 2 games. |
Some of the weirdest scores I’ve ever seen. | | | |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 20:07 - Jul 18 with 1247 views | reuserfivethree |
| Seeing lots of people say we’ll comfortably stay up…. on 17:18 - Jul 18 by Vic |
Kind of agree - though we didn’t really sign many in season 2 did we. Three, maybe four?
There’s no doubt there’s an element of gamble in signing what would appear to be the cream of the Championship. But we’re not 8n a position to sign established Prem players. McKenna has proven himself so far to be an excellent coach so far and as such he’s right to back himself to produce a team capable of surviving a season in the prem. key factor is that he has coached at this level so knows what to expect.
As to disrupting the team spirit with higher earning incomes - not sure what you can do about that really. It’s a cost of success I guess. All we can see the the character of the players and so far they seem spot on - again.
Guess we’ll have to just wait and see. |
The players we did sign in season 2 were on significantly higher wages, and members of the existing squad have gone on record on saying that the new signings disrupted the team spirit. While Sereni and Finidi were great players, arguably neither really slotted into seamless.y
Of course, resentment/dip in team spirit might be natural whenever new signings come in, but McKenna is a better man manager than Burley, and the signings this season - so far - seem more in tune with what we have, then who we brought in back then. Time will tell... | | | |
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