| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... 08:29 - Jun 8 with 23670 views | itfcjoe |
....according to the Times today.
Just seems so pointless to carry on as we are, when things are basically unlocked and it no doubt spreading quickly compared to how things change at June 21st.
Just sack off international travel for the year, end the lockdown and get the country vaccinated.
I'm just so bored of it all now, especially when such a vast %age of the population is vaccinated. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:03 - Jun 8 with 1632 views | StokieBlue |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:01 - Jun 8 by XYZ |
Printing £s in large numbers has been regular UK policy since 2008.
£500 billion in the last year I believe. |
Indeed although it's used to purchase back government issued debt.
At the moment there is little choice given the pandemic although it's been ongoing since the financial crisis which isn't ideal.
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:09 - Jun 8 with 1603 views | wkj |
Covid infections are down for two reasons - The lockdown and vaccination roll out. We can royally f'k this up if we cause a massive spike before the 20-60 y/old bracket has had both doses of the vaccine.
IMHO the only safe way to ease restrictions fully is when we have a very high majority of the work force age band with their second vaccination.
Not being able to see why restrictions in place while things are low is like saying it is safe to start smoking again because you haven't had a COPD flair up in a while.
The government have monstrously f'd this all up twice, and we should not will them on to f'k it all up again because we're bored.
We are so very close now to things being returned to normal, and jumping the gun by 2 weeks could lead to an entire summer wasted once more. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:16 - Jun 8 with 1583 views | Guthrum |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 11:12 - Jun 8 by Pinewoodblue |
Problem though is that the money isn't being borrowed over several decades. Greece, Italy, Ireland took that view in the past but found, when fresh loans were needed to pay existing loans that interest rates had risen. |
The UK's credit facilities are somewhat better than those countries, plus our ability to service debt.
Also we are not tied to the Euro, giving a lot more flexibility - and less dependence upon what Germany thinks. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:19 - Jun 8 with 1576 views | factual_blue |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 11:54 - Jun 8 by footers |
You don't even know the difference between admissions and omissions, so think epidemiology may be slightly above your pay grade. |
..Or between venerable or vulnerable. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:39 - Jun 8 with 1538 views | itfcjoe |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 10:16 - Jun 8 by ElderGrizzly |
It's not balanced across ethnic groups, which is the problem where we are seeing the hotspots.
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We can't just lock up forever if certain demographics aren't taking the jab when offered.
More needs to be done with community leaders etc to get these numbers up, and it needs to be done yesterday - but we are going to be in a posotion soon when things may be being delayed purely because those offered vaccinations haven't taken them | |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:41 - Jun 8 with 1528 views | SpruceMoose |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:39 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
We can't just lock up forever if certain demographics aren't taking the jab when offered.
More needs to be done with community leaders etc to get these numbers up, and it needs to be done yesterday - but we are going to be in a posotion soon when things may be being delayed purely because those offered vaccinations haven't taken them |
The easy answer is no vaccine... No fun times for you. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:42 - Jun 8 with 1527 views | m14_blue |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:39 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
We can't just lock up forever if certain demographics aren't taking the jab when offered.
More needs to be done with community leaders etc to get these numbers up, and it needs to be done yesterday - but we are going to be in a posotion soon when things may be being delayed purely because those offered vaccinations haven't taken them |
It's a really interesting philosophical question, should the rest of us have to endure any restrictions in order to protect people who have decided not to protect themselves?
Obviously that's a huge simplification of the current situation but it's an interesting hypothetical nonetheless. |  | | |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:43 - Jun 8 with 1523 views | itfcjoe |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 10:42 - Jun 8 by Pinewoodblue |
Boris Johnson has backed himself into a position where he cannot win. He doesn’t want to ease restrictions and then be forced to reimpose them, he also wants to avoid imposing tighter restrictions on geographical basis.
Cases are rising but not evenly across the Country. There are over 100 new cases,over a 7 day period, per 100,000 in North West with Blackburn having over 500. Yet in other areas there are less than 10 new cases per 100,000.
The latest published figure for Suffolk in just 7, per 100,000. It is even lower than that in Ipswich, Babergh and East Suffolk.
Pushing back a change only kicks the can down the road.
We need a revised strategy, time for a rethink. |
Back to the tier system then...! | |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:44 - Jun 8 with 1515 views | Pinewoodblue |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:39 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
We can't just lock up forever if certain demographics aren't taking the jab when offered.
More needs to be done with community leaders etc to get these numbers up, and it needs to be done yesterday - but we are going to be in a posotion soon when things may be being delayed purely because those offered vaccinations haven't taken them |
The reality is that,like it or not, there is a good chance there will be another surge, and restrictions, sometime this Autumn.
Not kicking the can down the road now isn’t going to make any difference. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:44 - Jun 8 with 1514 views | SpruceMoose |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:42 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
It's a really interesting philosophical question, should the rest of us have to endure any restrictions in order to protect people who have decided not to protect themselves?
Obviously that's a huge simplification of the current situation but it's an interesting hypothetical nonetheless. |
Has the UK offered any incentives to those unwilling to get the vaccine so far? I'm aware of a few schemes like free lottery tickets if you get a jab over here. Sad that it's been needed but it does seem to have had an impact. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:50 - Jun 8 with 1509 views | itfcjoe |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:41 - Jun 8 by SpruceMoose |
The easy answer is no vaccine... No fun times for you. |
I think that will work, a Romanian guy who works for us has had his jab but his wife was refusing......once realised she may not be able to go back to Romania to see family she soon had it. | |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:51 - Jun 8 with 1504 views | hype313 |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:44 - Jun 8 by SpruceMoose |
Has the UK offered any incentives to those unwilling to get the vaccine so far? I'm aware of a few schemes like free lottery tickets if you get a jab over here. Sad that it's been needed but it does seem to have had an impact. |
In some States in the US I have read they are offering free joints.
Good way of weeding out the Anti Vaxxers... |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:51 - Jun 8 with 1502 views | StokieBlue |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:50 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
I think that will work, a Romanian guy who works for us has had his jab but his wife was refusing......once realised she may not be able to go back to Romania to see family she soon had it. |
Quite a lot of people and MP's are staunchly against it though.
Try having a debate about it with Chico for instance and he raises some very valid points. There are valid reasons why people are against it of course, however it's possibly going to be the only way to get things to the way people want them to be if uptake doesn't increase to over 90% across the board.
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:52 - Jun 8 with 1487 views | 26_Paz |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:50 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
I think that will work, a Romanian guy who works for us has had his jab but his wife was refusing......once realised she may not be able to go back to Romania to see family she soon had it. |
Romania have a very sensible entry system. Much easier to get in if you are double vaccinated. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:53 - Jun 8 with 1495 views | m14_blue |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:44 - Jun 8 by SpruceMoose |
Has the UK offered any incentives to those unwilling to get the vaccine so far? I'm aware of a few schemes like free lottery tickets if you get a jab over here. Sad that it's been needed but it does seem to have had an impact. |
Haven't seen or heard about anything like that over here, no.
It's a tricky one, the communities with lowest uptake are the ones with very good reasons not to trust the 'establishment' and official messaging. I guess the messaging needs to come from within those communities but what that looks like in reality I'm not sure. | | | |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:54 - Jun 8 with 1491 views | Funge |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 10:40 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
It's always portrayed as a silver bullet but it's obviously not anything close.
It always annoys me slightly when people talk about 'closing the borders' as if it's a trivial thing and people should just go to Blackpool instead of Benidorm and stop being so selfish.
We lost my mum in the first wave last year. In the 14 months since, my widowed dad has seen his (other) son once, at a funeral which only 4 of us could attend, and hasn't seen his granddaughter at all.
Stopping international travel is a huge deal with huge repercussions for many people's lives, if you only go abroad once a year for a jolly then it's not unreasonable to skip that for another year but don't think everyone has the same luxury. |
Typed out a proper essay there, which vanished - but I agree with you.
People, in the main, aren't 'selfish', 'greedy' or, more bizarrely, revelling in the deaths of 130k people by wanting an end to restrictions - they just want an end to the most horrible period that we will, most likely, ever have to endure.
But this is TWTD, fck nuance. Fck Johnson too, but that's another essay.... |  | | |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:55 - Jun 8 with 1485 views | itfcjoe |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:42 - Jun 8 by m14_blue |
It's a really interesting philosophical question, should the rest of us have to endure any restrictions in order to protect people who have decided not to protect themselves?
Obviously that's a huge simplification of the current situation but it's an interesting hypothetical nonetheless. |
Yep, I think this is the frustration from Govt - that we are going to end up with further restrictions because people who are eligible are not having it.
The reality is, if numbers in those communities don't go up, then they will overwhelm the NHS - and you can't exactly refuse to treat people because they have elected not to have it so you are back at square one.
Has to be incentives done - but working with local councils, local community leaders, and local healthcare professionals to get into these communities is the only way.
As an example though, the Romanian guy mentioned above by me, was offered a jab in Cambridge - he panicked as didn't want to take time off work, get train, etc to go there but by chance I spoke to him that day as was at that site and was able to rearrange it for Gainsborough Sports Centre, a 10 min walk from his house, for the following afternoon at 4pm.
Not all employers would do that, or be aware, and some immigrant workers are in such fear of losing their jobs they simply wouldn't bring it up and just let it slide. It needs to be community outreach | |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:03 - Jun 8 with 1470 views | BlueBadger |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 11:31 - Jun 8 by RRB |
Why is everyone using number of cases as to why we need to delay by 2 weeks?
If there were thousands of cases of cold and flu spreading you wouldn't be putting us in lockdown.
The only important numbers we need to watch are hospital omissions and deaths which are not rising anywhere near compared to the number of cases. |
Rising cases generally lead to rising hospital admissions.
Don't be tw*t, eh? |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:12 - Jun 8 with 1447 views | wkj |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 12:55 - Jun 8 by itfcjoe |
Yep, I think this is the frustration from Govt - that we are going to end up with further restrictions because people who are eligible are not having it.
The reality is, if numbers in those communities don't go up, then they will overwhelm the NHS - and you can't exactly refuse to treat people because they have elected not to have it so you are back at square one.
Has to be incentives done - but working with local councils, local community leaders, and local healthcare professionals to get into these communities is the only way.
As an example though, the Romanian guy mentioned above by me, was offered a jab in Cambridge - he panicked as didn't want to take time off work, get train, etc to go there but by chance I spoke to him that day as was at that site and was able to rearrange it for Gainsborough Sports Centre, a 10 min walk from his house, for the following afternoon at 4pm.
Not all employers would do that, or be aware, and some immigrant workers are in such fear of losing their jobs they simply wouldn't bring it up and just let it slide. It needs to be community outreach |
Wow, Joe tits insane!
Someone being afraid to lose their job over potentially losing their life? I wish this wasn't true, though we see it far too often is. | |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:17 - Jun 8 with 1431 views | SpruceMoose |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:12 - Jun 8 by wkj |
Wow, Joe tits insane!
Someone being afraid to lose their job over potentially losing their life? I wish this wasn't true, though we see it far too often is. |
Getting undocumented people vaccinated is a huge issue. We need an honest amnesty. These people are living alongside us papers or no papers, allowing them to get vaccinated without fear of repercussions keeps us all safe. We can't ignore reality and pretend that they don't exist. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:20 - Jun 8 with 1420 views | StokieBlue |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:17 - Jun 8 by SpruceMoose |
Getting undocumented people vaccinated is a huge issue. We need an honest amnesty. These people are living alongside us papers or no papers, allowing them to get vaccinated without fear of repercussions keeps us all safe. We can't ignore reality and pretend that they don't exist. |
This would be where the J&J vaccine would be excellent. They only need one vaccine so they wouldn't need to be worried about returning for a second jab which might put some people off if they are undocumented.
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:22 - Jun 8 with 1412 views | footers |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:17 - Jun 8 by SpruceMoose |
Getting undocumented people vaccinated is a huge issue. We need an honest amnesty. These people are living alongside us papers or no papers, allowing them to get vaccinated without fear of repercussions keeps us all safe. We can't ignore reality and pretend that they don't exist. |
This is an excellent point, Spruce. Wonder how many homeless/undocumented have been jabbed yet if at all. It's hard enough getting them on the electoral roll, and this feels slightly more important than that. |  |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:24 - Jun 8 with 1408 views | SpruceMoose |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:20 - Jun 8 by StokieBlue |
This would be where the J&J vaccine would be excellent. They only need one vaccine so they wouldn't need to be worried about returning for a second jab which might put some people off if they are undocumented.
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Good point. And just anecdotally I've seen several pop up tents in our neighbourhood where you can drop by, no insurance needed, and get jabbed. The J&J vaccine would be perfect for that, that's probably what they are doing actually. | |
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"Imagine being a heterosexual white male in Britain at this moment. How bad is that. Everything you say is racist, everything you say is homophobic. The Woke community have really f****d this country." | | Poll: | Selectamod |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:31 - Jun 8 with 1381 views | itfcjoe |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:12 - Jun 8 by wkj |
Wow, Joe tits insane!
Someone being afraid to lose their job over potentially losing their life? I wish this wasn't true, though we see it far too often is. |
I don't they feel there is a very real risk of dying, a lot of anti-covid talk is big in their communities as well.
That is the reality of some low paid work in this country (not our employee who is well above Living Wage etc) but his cohorts who work in farms or factories.....where you say you can't work the next day due to an appointment, and the agency/employer will tell you not to bother going back after that (until they need you again anyway).
I've had mates with jobs like that too, sticking hoarding up in London, panelling works in the Midlands. Self employed, no protection, want a week off for a holiday - see you later as someone else will do it until they need time off.... | |
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| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 13:32 - Jun 8 with 1376 views | jeera |
| End of lockdown being pushed back 2 weeks... on 11:54 - Jun 8 by footers |
You don't even know the difference between admissions and omissions, so think epidemiology may be slightly above your pay grade. |
You say what you like pal, but I quite like the notion that a vaccine might make me venerable.
Or was that not venerable?
I'm not sure now. |  |
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