| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason 14:06 - Dec 2 with 81888 views | chicoazul |
Now that the club has confirmed Morsy chose not to wear the armband, how do our LGBTQ fans feel about this?
Like I say I would continue the interesting conversation we were having but that thread is locked. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 00:00 - Dec 4 with 1624 views | urbanpenguin |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
The comparison is clear.
The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it.
The up and down arrows on the news article ("statement from club on Morsy") comments thread show that this is very clearly a minority opinion. Overwhelmingly supporting Morsy.
Are they willing to be a recipient of their own logic? |
I am just home from watching the game.
And i see this
"The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it."
I shouldn't engage with such homophobia, but:
We are not a team. I disagree with the Rainbow Tractors' response. We are not a singular, binary group of people easy to swat away.
We are angry, yes. I can give you the longer essay on this if you want, but i think you know why as you are part of the cause.
It is not "apparel". Interestingly, personally i am no great 'rainbow' fan, and have avoided London Pride for many years as the commercialism disgusts me, but in this instance, in this context, i see huge value, and the responses like yours is precisely why. But it is not "apparel" it is a symbol of resistance, existence, living despite threats and death, surviving and - more than this - acknowledging it symbolically so others may live better.
It is not a "lifestyle". If it was, why do you think we would choose upon ourselves a lifestyle which sees so much death, resentment, hatred, and difficulties to exist? We were simply born, and our existence is as much a "lifestyle" choice as your (i presume) hetrosexuality was your choice. I cannot believe I am typing these words in 2024.
I don't care if you don't care that I exist. I do.
I do care if you "disagree" with my existence, as that is by definition existential to me and I will effing fight to my death to not only be alive but allow others to live better. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 00:02 - Dec 4 with 1619 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 00:00 - Dec 4 by urbanpenguin |
I am just home from watching the game.
And i see this
"The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it."
I shouldn't engage with such homophobia, but:
We are not a team. I disagree with the Rainbow Tractors' response. We are not a singular, binary group of people easy to swat away.
We are angry, yes. I can give you the longer essay on this if you want, but i think you know why as you are part of the cause.
It is not "apparel". Interestingly, personally i am no great 'rainbow' fan, and have avoided London Pride for many years as the commercialism disgusts me, but in this instance, in this context, i see huge value, and the responses like yours is precisely why. But it is not "apparel" it is a symbol of resistance, existence, living despite threats and death, surviving and - more than this - acknowledging it symbolically so others may live better.
It is not a "lifestyle". If it was, why do you think we would choose upon ourselves a lifestyle which sees so much death, resentment, hatred, and difficulties to exist? We were simply born, and our existence is as much a "lifestyle" choice as your (i presume) hetrosexuality was your choice. I cannot believe I am typing these words in 2024.
I don't care if you don't care that I exist. I do.
I do care if you "disagree" with my existence, as that is by definition existential to me and I will effing fight to my death to not only be alive but allow others to live better. |
I’m sorry you are having to. Much love. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 03:29 - Dec 4 with 1493 views | E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 14:45 - Dec 3 by Reus30 |
What an idiotic post.
It's not about how many wet blankets on facebook support Sam nor does it mean that 90% of the people backing him, therefore that opinion trumps all. It's not a competition.
Debates are formed because the sides tend to be black, white, grey (and in-between) and then stupid. You just waddle in here, slap you post down like some insensitive ape and say "oN FaCeBouikk, mY naAns bruva "
People on Reddit are extremely against him for his decision.
Also it's a good thing that people use avatars/usernames on here with the key beneficiary being you. The amount of pish you type on here makes me want to bleach my eyes. I deliberately have taken you off ignore just to call you out for being stupid, that's how much you annoy me. |
Blimey. I’m just pointing out many more people support him than do not. That is the reality. Yet the consensus on this website is the opposite. When talking such big numbers the math does not add up. Maybe you don’t understand the math in which case I’d give you a pass. If the is any other social media outlet that shows more against than before be my guest and send over the link…..you won’t be able to.
Like the majority I support our captain. That doesn’t in any way shape or form suggest what I believe in etc. Just merely I support him as most rational folk do. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 03:33 - Dec 4 with 1480 views | Zapers |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 15:02 - Dec 2 by J2BLUE |
I'm not telling you anything. I'm asking why you are trolling and you can't answer.
You will make the same thread next year. Perhaps we should dig out the thread where you defend Christianity as our laws are based on it. |
Actually, effectively you are telling him by saying he is trolling. Presumably if he posts something you do agree with, then he is not trolling? | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 06:40 - Dec 4 with 1435 views | chicoazul |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 03:29 - Dec 4 by E_I_E_I_E_I_O |
Blimey. I’m just pointing out many more people support him than do not. That is the reality. Yet the consensus on this website is the opposite. When talking such big numbers the math does not add up. Maybe you don’t understand the math in which case I’d give you a pass. If the is any other social media outlet that shows more against than before be my guest and send over the link…..you won’t be able to.
Like the majority I support our captain. That doesn’t in any way shape or form suggest what I believe in etc. Just merely I support him as most rational folk do. |
This implies people who don’t agree with his stance are irrational. Do you see where this leads. | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 06:46 - Dec 4 with 1425 views | Benters |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 06:40 - Dec 4 by chicoazul |
This implies people who don’t agree with his stance are irrational. Do you see where this leads. |
I think this has done a few peoples heads in tbh. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 07:01 - Dec 4 with 1407 views | Swailsey |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 06:46 - Dec 4 by Benters |
I think this has done a few peoples heads in tbh. |
Are you saying those in the community who have been impacted, upset, been made to feel unwelcome and who have shared their story bravely are irrational? | |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:03 - Dec 4 with 1336 views | noggin |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 23:24 - Dec 3 by ArmaghBlue |
Because it is getting rather boring.
Even a couple of gay friends at work are getting sick, tired, and embarrassed of it all.
I just don’t see why someone’s sexual feelings/preferences need to be broadcasted constantly to the world. |
What is the reason for you having that flag as your avtar, rather than say, the Irish tricolour? It could be considered as you ramming your religious and/or nationalistic views, down the throats of 50% of citizens in NI, who find that flag offensive. [Post edited 4 Dec 2024 8:12]
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:10 - Dec 4 with 1301 views | GlasgowBlue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:03 - Dec 4 by noggin |
What is the reason for you having that flag as your avtar, rather than say, the Irish tricolour? It could be considered as you ramming your religious and/or nationalistic views, down the throats of 50% of citizens in NI, who find that flag offensive. [Post edited 4 Dec 2024 8:12]
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Don’t highjack this thread please noggin. There have been some excellent contributions and with a few exceptions a very good debate. |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:21 - Dec 4 with 1282 views | redrickstuhaart |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 06:46 - Dec 4 by Benters |
I think this has done a few peoples heads in tbh. |
Let's get this straight (pardon the pun).
Not wearing it makes a declaration to the world at large about your position. Sam's position may well be heavily influenced by family and community and is not necessarily a direct reflection of his own views or position. He may wish to avoid community backlash for his family etc. Such campaigns need to be free from compulsion in any event, as a matter of principle. So I disagree with his choice (from which people may reasonably draw some inferences), whilst recognising that there may be more to it than simply his own position.
That said, it is plainly not rational to be opposed to the principles underlying the campaign.
Whilst we are at it, Guehi is far more cuplable and overt and needs to have the book thrown at him. His "message" is effectively saying "I am wearing it because I have to, but I believe homosexuality tobe a sin".
I was disgusted to hear McCoist on the radio this morning saying the problem with it was the people objecting and pretending that the message on the armband was one of tolerance. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:35 - Dec 4 with 1251 views | Jimmy86 |
It's an extremely difficult and emotive subject to debate... The rainbow laces campaign is similar to black lives matter and taking the knee, in the fact it is virtue signalling to highlight the injustice that is faced by these communities..
I think we have to be careful though, as people are seemingly disappointed and having a pop at Morsy for his stance as to why he isn't confirming with the majority and wearing the armband, screaming it is not inclusive, but are then claiming that his religion, which his beliefs are based on is medieval...
If we're saying that he should wear the armband due to inclusion for the LGBTQ+ community, should that inclusivity and tolerance not be equally afforded to Morsy regarding his religion and his beliefs that these are based on? Or do we pick and chose? | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:37 - Dec 4 with 1243 views | redrickstuhaart |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:35 - Dec 4 by Jimmy86 |
It's an extremely difficult and emotive subject to debate... The rainbow laces campaign is similar to black lives matter and taking the knee, in the fact it is virtue signalling to highlight the injustice that is faced by these communities..
I think we have to be careful though, as people are seemingly disappointed and having a pop at Morsy for his stance as to why he isn't confirming with the majority and wearing the armband, screaming it is not inclusive, but are then claiming that his religion, which his beliefs are based on is medieval...
If we're saying that he should wear the armband due to inclusion for the LGBTQ+ community, should that inclusivity and tolerance not be equally afforded to Morsy regarding his religion and his beliefs that these are based on? Or do we pick and chose? |
No. It shouldn't. Bizarre idea to be tolerant of intolerance. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:51 - Dec 4 with 1198 views | pointofblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:35 - Dec 4 by Jimmy86 |
It's an extremely difficult and emotive subject to debate... The rainbow laces campaign is similar to black lives matter and taking the knee, in the fact it is virtue signalling to highlight the injustice that is faced by these communities..
I think we have to be careful though, as people are seemingly disappointed and having a pop at Morsy for his stance as to why he isn't confirming with the majority and wearing the armband, screaming it is not inclusive, but are then claiming that his religion, which his beliefs are based on is medieval...
If we're saying that he should wear the armband due to inclusion for the LGBTQ+ community, should that inclusivity and tolerance not be equally afforded to Morsy regarding his religion and his beliefs that these are based on? Or do we pick and chose? |
I asked this last night, and don't think I got a reply - why should religious bigotry be accepted? | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:56 - Dec 4 with 1191 views | Jimmy86 |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:37 - Dec 4 by redrickstuhaart |
No. It shouldn't. Bizarre idea to be tolerant of intolerance. |
But what about tolerance to Morsy and his religious beliefs then?! Or does that not count?
So we need to be tolerant and inclusive of the LGBTQ+ community, but not tolerant and inclusive of Morsy and his reasoning behind why he's chosen not to take part in the initiative, due to his religious beliefs as a practising Muslim?
Tolerance and inclusion should apply to ALL and EVERYONE! simple as that... | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:03 - Dec 4 with 1161 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:56 - Dec 4 by Jimmy86 |
But what about tolerance to Morsy and his religious beliefs then?! Or does that not count?
So we need to be tolerant and inclusive of the LGBTQ+ community, but not tolerant and inclusive of Morsy and his reasoning behind why he's chosen not to take part in the initiative, due to his religious beliefs as a practising Muslim?
Tolerance and inclusion should apply to ALL and EVERYONE! simple as that... |
So we should be tolerant of pedophilia then? |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:06 - Dec 4 with 1146 views | pointofblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:56 - Dec 4 by Jimmy86 |
But what about tolerance to Morsy and his religious beliefs then?! Or does that not count?
So we need to be tolerant and inclusive of the LGBTQ+ community, but not tolerant and inclusive of Morsy and his reasoning behind why he's chosen not to take part in the initiative, due to his religious beliefs as a practising Muslim?
Tolerance and inclusion should apply to ALL and EVERYONE! simple as that... |
So we should be tolerant to intolerance but they can be intolerant without censure? | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:14 - Dec 4 with 1121 views | Jimmy86 |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:03 - Dec 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
So we should be tolerant of pedophilia then? |
Whoah, where does that come into it?? I didn't mention anything about paedophiles did I??
My argument is that people are hammering Morsy, for his lack of inclusion for the LGBTQ+ community, due to his religious beliefs, but the same people are then dismissive of his religion the hypocrisy is ridiculous | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:23 - Dec 4 with 1074 views | Blueschev |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 19:02 - Dec 3 by SoCalTownFan |
The comparison is clear.
The LGBT team are angrily trying to force people to wear apparel that celebrates and endorses their lifestyle, on to people who either don't care about or disagree with it.
The up and down arrows on the news article ("statement from club on Morsy") comments thread show that this is very clearly a minority opinion. Overwhelmingly supporting Morsy.
Are they willing to be a recipient of their own logic? |
Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle, and not something you can agree or disagree with. Anymore than you can disagree with the colour of somebody's skin. |  | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:25 - Dec 4 with 1069 views | lowhouseblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:06 - Dec 4 by pointofblue |
So we should be tolerant to intolerance but they can be intolerant without censure? |
we should just follow the european convention on human rights and recognise that freedom of thought, conscience and religion and freedom of expression are protected to a high level. freedom of exptession is a foundational human right. of course, respect for private and family life and the prohibition of discrimination are also protected, but in this particular case there is no practical conflict between the various rights (a court would not see anything morsy has done in not wearing an armband that would conflict with private and family life or amount to discrimination). |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:25 - Dec 4 with 1061 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 08:21 - Dec 4 by redrickstuhaart |
Let's get this straight (pardon the pun).
Not wearing it makes a declaration to the world at large about your position. Sam's position may well be heavily influenced by family and community and is not necessarily a direct reflection of his own views or position. He may wish to avoid community backlash for his family etc. Such campaigns need to be free from compulsion in any event, as a matter of principle. So I disagree with his choice (from which people may reasonably draw some inferences), whilst recognising that there may be more to it than simply his own position.
That said, it is plainly not rational to be opposed to the principles underlying the campaign.
Whilst we are at it, Guehi is far more cuplable and overt and needs to have the book thrown at him. His "message" is effectively saying "I am wearing it because I have to, but I believe homosexuality tobe a sin".
I was disgusted to hear McCoist on the radio this morning saying the problem with it was the people objecting and pretending that the message on the armband was one of tolerance. |
Is he really?
I took it as Jesus loving everybody equally. Doesn't it say Jesus love you?
(Ps....yes I know he doesn’t but for the sake of argument) |  |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:26 - Dec 4 with 1051 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:14 - Dec 4 by Jimmy86 |
Whoah, where does that come into it?? I didn't mention anything about paedophiles did I??
My argument is that people are hammering Morsy, for his lack of inclusion for the LGBTQ+ community, due to his religious beliefs, but the same people are then dismissive of his religion the hypocrisy is ridiculous |
You said "Tolerance and inclusion should apply to ALL and EVERYONE! simple as that..." | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:28 - Dec 4 with 1033 views | pointofblue |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:25 - Dec 4 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Is he really?
I took it as Jesus loving everybody equally. Doesn't it say Jesus love you?
(Ps....yes I know he doesn’t but for the sake of argument) |
He had a different message last night compared to the weekend. At the weekend it was "I love Jesus". Last night it was "Jesus loves you". | |
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| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:28 - Dec 4 with 1033 views | Blueschev |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 22:27 - Dec 3 by ArmaghBlue |
His faith does not approve of gay people. If that’s what he respects and follows, let him do that. If people want to wear it, let them wear it too. |
My faith doesn't accept black people, that's what I respect and follow. Is that acceptable? What's the difference? | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:30 - Dec 4 with 1011 views | PassionNotAnger |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:14 - Dec 4 by Jimmy86 |
Whoah, where does that come into it?? I didn't mention anything about paedophiles did I??
My argument is that people are hammering Morsy, for his lack of inclusion for the LGBTQ+ community, due to his religious beliefs, but the same people are then dismissive of his religion the hypocrisy is ridiculous |
Let's just simplify this (again)
Morsy is entirely free to believe what he wants as an individual and player (and as long as he doesn't break any laws obviously)
The Captains role however is representing the club as its leadership/figurehead and therefore "SHOULD" be able to support "EVERYONE" If Morsy doesn't feel able to support/represent "EVERYONE" then he isn't the right person.
I've not seen anybody being dismissive of his religion just expressing that if it prohibits him from fulfilling ALL of his captains duties then it would probably better for him to step down from it.
This isn't about religion specifically (many other Muslims have supported the rainbow) it's about leadership and how Morsy is (seemingly) choosing to apply his beliefs. | | | |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:32 - Dec 4 with 998 views | Jimmy86 |
| My armband thread has been locked for whatever reason on 09:26 - Dec 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You said "Tolerance and inclusion should apply to ALL and EVERYONE! simple as that..." |
Ahh, so you took that literally and then brought up something completely unrelated to this thread and the debate surrounding it..
For clarification paedophilia is absolutely deplorable..
What I disagree with is the hypocrisy regarding this subject.. let's hammer our captain, for a lack of inclusion for the LGBTQ+ community, but in the next breath not acknowledge his religious beliefs, as to why he won't wear said armband it's ridiculous | | | |
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