| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games 09:13 - Dec 18 with 9503 views | itfcjoe |
And we have an assistant manager with no fitness qualifications doing the warm ups.
Shrewsbury - Nolan (22)
Hull City - Sears (32)
Charlton - Norwood (35), Nsiala (71)
Oxford - None
Plymouth - None
Portsmouth - Nolan (33)
Burton Albion - Bennetts (45)
It's not unlucky, it's a total dereliction of duties towards our players |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:39 - Dec 18 with 2963 views | MrTown |
Are you suggesting Big Jimbo’s consulting from 400 miles away might not be working.
Wow, well I have to say I am shocked.
*we’ve got a PE teacher as our director! Maybe he could come down and get them all playing ‘stuck in the mud’ for our warm-up. [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 11:40]
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:43 - Dec 18 with 2949 views | marchy |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:36 - Dec 18 by SuperCoops |
You've not answered my question fully. Have you checked that opposition players who come off are featuring in their next game. I'm sorry, but you're not a physiotherapist and they could be slight muscle injuries and less so obvious. Do you really concentrate on every opposition player leaving the field? |
Don't you pay attention if they're coming off unexpectedly in the first half like ours are? |  | | |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:43 - Dec 18 with 2946 views | Herbivore |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:36 - Dec 18 by SuperCoops |
You've not answered my question fully. Have you checked that opposition players who come off are featuring in their next game. I'm sorry, but you're not a physiotherapist and they could be slight muscle injuries and less so obvious. Do you really concentrate on every opposition player leaving the field? |
Yes mate, I've been following up on every opposition player that's been substituted whilst playing against us. Don't you do that? |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:48 - Dec 18 with 2934 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:36 - Dec 18 by SuperCoops |
You've not answered my question fully. Have you checked that opposition players who come off are featuring in their next game. I'm sorry, but you're not a physiotherapist and they could be slight muscle injuries and less so obvious. Do you really concentrate on every opposition player leaving the field? |
They generally don't leave the field. That's the point! |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 12:15 - Dec 18 with 2889 views | BlueBadger |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:33 - Dec 18 by Herbivore |
Indeed. One of the worst things about ITFC is this sense of fatalism that seems to have completely enveloped the club. Nothing is proactive, we just let sh!t happen and take no responsibility for it. |
Blootsy summed it up perfectly here.
ITFC is a perfect facsimile of Great Britain..... by Bloots 16 Dec 2020 13:31.....a once powerful club/country that has gradually slipped from it's lofty position due to a succession of crap managers/leaders that surround themselves with yes man and simpletons.
There's been a chronic level of underfunding in both cases and the money that is spent is simply frittered away on bad investments.
Both are now getting handouts from other organisations as they stumble from one disaster to another.
Unfortunately for both, I fear the worst is yet to come.
What a club/country.
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 13:13 - Dec 18 with 2858 views | BlueBadger |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:05 - Dec 18 by Keaneish |
To be fair, if you’re a professional footballer and you don’t know how to warm up or look after your body, you’re pretty stupid! |
in all fairness, there are some pretty thick footballers out there.
Plus, techniques change with research and evidence.
A lot of warm-up(and increasingly down) techniques have changed massively over the last couple of decades. | |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 14:14 - Dec 18 with 2830 views | Churchman |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 09:32 - Dec 18 by tractorboy1978 |
That is probably one of the only things Hurst actually identified and did right but we threw the baby out with the bath water on that? Nathan Winder isn't doing badly at Sheff Utd is he?
EDIT - and also, when you see some of the salaries we offer for some of these roles, it is hardly surprising we aren't attracting the best candidates for them. [Post edited 18 Dec 2020 9:34]
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It’s all about cost cutting. Slippery Evans would be happy with the cat doing fitness and conditioning if it saved a view pennies - and the cat agreed to do it without a new basket and dreamies.
Salary cap must have had Evans punching the air with joy. As the only owner in football to take financial fair play seriously, you can bet this club will fall well within salary cap with the cry ‘well, we must abide by the rules’. As for employing useless mouths like properly qualified fitness coaches, why would do that when progressing the club is not something he’s not the least bit interested in? |  | | |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 16:36 - Dec 18 with 2765 views | Edmundo |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 10:11 - Dec 18 by clive_baker |
There's no way the level of injuries we've sustained over a period of time is par for the course. It's not a one off with freak injuries, these are regular and reoccurring. We massively over index in this regard over a period of time, it's not bad luck.
It's penny pinching. I worked for Charlton when they were in L1 and the set up there felt so far ahead of what we've got now. I just took a look at a club like Lincoln out of interest, they've got a Head of Sports Science & Medicine, Lead Sports Scientist, Sports Science & Medicine Assistant and Assistant Sports Scientist listed on their website. Who have we got? A Sports Scientist 'advising' remotely in Scotland and 1 conditioning coach.
Oh and a former L2 footballer / coach with no qualification masquerading as a fitness coach. Not digging out Matt Gill but it's not his core competency is it.
Basket case of a club, investing so much in playing staff and not giving them the environment in which to get the best out of them. It's so counter productive. |
Totally agree. I'd be surprised if they are doing better than Posh, who I worked for ten years ago and at that stage had a physio, massage therapist, chiropractor and sports science analyst.
They need to get up with the times... in this of all years, fitness is paramount and is a 24/7 commitment. |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 18:13 - Dec 18 with 2691 views | Keaneish |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 13:13 - Dec 18 by BlueBadger |
in all fairness, there are some pretty thick footballers out there.
Plus, techniques change with research and evidence.
A lot of warm-up(and increasingly down) techniques have changed massively over the last couple of decades. |
Very true. These guys do it day in day out though, it’s part and parcel of being a pro footballer. Can honestly say I rarely succumbed to muscle injuries in 31 years of playing. Increasingly so in the latter years but at pro level, it’s staggering how many muscle injuries we get as a result of poor warm ups or warm downs as Joe points out. |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 19:52 - Dec 18 with 2641 views | backwaywhen |
Surely the players themselves have an idea as to wether they are properly warmed up for a match , it’s common sense for a professional surely, if they don’t they shouldn’t be a professional. | | | |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 20:14 - Dec 18 with 2622 views | textbackup |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 09:46 - Dec 18 by artsbossbeard |
C'mon Joe, this is athletes being athletes stuff and I'm somewhat surprised you're buying into this.
https://www.evertonfc.com/teams/injuries-and-suspensions
If you add Allan's hamstring into this, that's 3x hamstring, 1 x achilles, 1x calf injury plus a ligament injury. All muscular and all standard, almost to be expected, injuries.
There's bigger things to beat the club about the head with than this. |
"There's bigger things to beat the club about the head with than this."
a jig saw is only complete when all the pieces are in place, ignoring one thing has a knock on effect.
that poxy club should be clubbed over the head for every single piss poor thing they've done in the last 13 years |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 21:04 - Dec 18 with 2587 views | allezlesbleus |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 11:15 - Dec 18 by marchy |
Funny though, we don't seem to have come up against any other sides absolutely decimated with injuries, nor seen many key players limp off against us. |
Also, most other clubs haven't been knocked out of every cup competition at the 1st possible opportunity, so will have played more matches. |  | | |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 21:28 - Dec 18 with 2577 views | Kropotkin123 |
I don't understand how there can be quite clear points, like this, about structural failings at our club, and yet, I still read posts saying look at where we are in the table/there is nothing wrong/fans don't know what they are complaining about/what do fans actually want...
I don't see how it isn't clear, that at the very least, we need an actual structure at our club.
Having a wage bill that is predominantly on the treatment table for the season is pointless. If we need to lower the wage bill to get the correct structure in place, then we need to do tht as a priority. |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 12:16 - Dec 19 with 2465 views | hoppy |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 21:28 - Dec 18 by Kropotkin123 |
I don't understand how there can be quite clear points, like this, about structural failings at our club, and yet, I still read posts saying look at where we are in the table/there is nothing wrong/fans don't know what they are complaining about/what do fans actually want...
I don't see how it isn't clear, that at the very least, we need an actual structure at our club.
Having a wage bill that is predominantly on the treatment table for the season is pointless. If we need to lower the wage bill to get the correct structure in place, then we need to do tht as a priority. |
Wasn’t the wage bill lowered by letting the fitness specialist go? |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 12:41 - Dec 19 with 2443 views | Radlett_blue |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 12:16 - Dec 19 by hoppy |
Wasn’t the wage bill lowered by letting the fitness specialist go? |
No, he's still employed as a remote consultant in Scotland. |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 12:44 - Dec 19 with 2441 views | jayessess |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 19:52 - Dec 18 by backwaywhen |
Surely the players themselves have an idea as to wether they are properly warmed up for a match , it’s common sense for a professional surely, if they don’t they shouldn’t be a professional. |
Always amazing to me what areas of expertise people are prepared to file under "common sense". Physiotherapy and sport science are both full 3-year degree courses, sports medicine is an entire medical specialty all of its own, people do PhDs in sports injuries, how they occur and how to prevent them.
But apparently it's part of "being a professional" for a person whose main talent is just playing football to know everything about how their body works and how to keep it in good condition. |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 13:44 - Dec 19 with 2424 views | stonojnr |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 12:44 - Dec 19 by jayessess |
Always amazing to me what areas of expertise people are prepared to file under "common sense". Physiotherapy and sport science are both full 3-year degree courses, sports medicine is an entire medical specialty all of its own, people do PhDs in sports injuries, how they occur and how to prevent them.
But apparently it's part of "being a professional" for a person whose main talent is just playing football to know everything about how their body works and how to keep it in good condition. |
but thats very much more about learning the background to that discipline, the why of it, how it all fits together, why certain things happen if you do them the wrong way, so that you can quickly diagnose problems,prevent reoccurence & come up with training plan solutions that work, and yeah when you talk to people who have done that course they are very skillful and knowledgeable on that subject.
I dont think anyone is saying its a dumb skill to have around a football club, or that you dont lose out by not having that resource around vs competitors that do, but its not that you only unlock the special knowledge if you spend 3 years on a degree course to know keeping fit & healthy as a professional athlete is probably a good thing to be doing, and muscle injuries are largely preventable if you train in the right way.
whilst Id accept we do seem to have players in our squad who despite being professional athletes seem to have no understanding of fitness or their bodies, even though their whole livelihood depends on it staying fit.
I cannot beleive anyone even remotely interested in a future coaching role hasnt picked up over their career how to maintain their fitness without leading to injuries during matches.
ive met amateur cyclists/runners, let alone the pro-am ones, who have better understanding of training, over training and how to minimise their injuries than seemingly our professionally paid team has. | | | |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 13:54 - Dec 19 with 2420 views | Kieran_Knows |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 10:34 - Dec 18 by itfcjoe |
Don't tease us |
Ha! For all parties involved, it’s best I don’t! |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 21:46 - Dec 29 with 2266 views | marchy |
Apropos of nothing, I can’t help but notice even the walking balsa wood that is Will Keane seems to be staying fit and scoring goals now he’s playing for another club. | | | |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 22:07 - Dec 29 with 2236 views | chrismakin |
This may sound a bit weird
but could our style of play also have something to do with it
Most of our play is at the back and we rarely get forward or get our players legs moving.... by the time we do, their muscles are already weakend as theyve not been used since the warm up. Norwood for example could literally wait 30 minutes before getting a chance to run after a ball |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 22:30 - Dec 29 with 2212 views | Radlett_blue |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 21:46 - Dec 29 by marchy |
Apropos of nothing, I can’t help but notice even the walking balsa wood that is Will Keane seems to be staying fit and scoring goals now he’s playing for another club. |
Keane has only played half of Wigan's games this season, so nothing to see here. | |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 23:47 - Dec 29 with 2179 views | MrTown |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 22:30 - Dec 29 by Radlett_blue |
Keane has only played half of Wigan's games this season, so nothing to see here. |
He’s got more League goals than Hawkins, Jackson, Norwood & Sears put together.
Big Keano. | |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 23:51 - Dec 29 with 2170 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 22:30 - Dec 29 by Radlett_blue |
Keane has only played half of Wigan's games this season, so nothing to see here. |
That depends on whether that is due to selection, protecting him from injury or unavailability, though. |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 00:30 - Dec 30 with 2150 views | Ryorry |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 12:41 - Dec 19 by Radlett_blue |
No, he's still employed as a remote consultant in Scotland. |
Just a thought but won't Rommy soon be qualified?! |  |
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| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 10:25 - Dec 30 with 2047 views | SonOfSpock |
| 6 in game muscle injuries in 7 games on 09:40 - Dec 18 by hype313 |
I was watching the Sheff Utd game last night and Didzy played really well, had a look at his stats since he joined, 83 games in 2 years (aged 32/33), he managed 133 in 5 years here.
It's no coincidence, it's a complete lack of insight in into the sports rehab and fitness here. |
I dont think it helped that we allowed him to commute daily to the midlands(?) whilst with us which cant help with tight muscles and so on.
Likewise, players like Webster, Adeyemi, Huws, Bishop, KVY - it cant all be bad luck. |  | | |
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