| Lucy Allan MP 16:23 - Dec 29 with 4970 views | tractordownsouth |
The Telford MP, whose' greatest hits include fabricating death threats and tweeting doctored videos of Keir Starmer from a far right troll account, has made a bit of a tit of herself on Twitter this morning.
She's been playing down the impact of Covid by retweeting that fewer people without underlying conditions have died from covid than from road accidents. Only problem with that is that underlying conditions includes stuff like eczema and asthma, so discounts a massive chunk of the population and that you can't catch a road accident.
To top it off, she started moaning about being silenced as soon as people criticised her. She's got to be one of the worst, even in the current Tory party.
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| Lucy Allan MP on 17:14 - Dec 29 with 2523 views | BlueBadger |
I have no idea what would pazzess someone to vote for these obvious, obvious frauds. Voting Tory is like being 'Lambert In'. |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 17:15 - Dec 29 with 2509 views | Trequartista |
I googled "covid eczema" and the National Eczema Society say "There is no evidence to suggest that people with eczema are more likely to develop Covid-19 or to experience a more severe form of the condition if they do develop it." |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 17:27 - Dec 29 with 2461 views | SpruceMoose |
The fact that these horrendous individuals use a free worldwide platform to spout their guff about how they're being silenced would be hilarious if not for the fact the world is being ruined by them and their supporters. |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 17:27 - Dec 29 with 2461 views | factual_blue |
| Lucy Allan MP on 17:14 - Dec 29 by BlueBadger |
I have no idea what would pazzess someone to vote for these obvious, obvious frauds. Voting Tory is like being 'Lambert In'. |
Well, part of the problem would appear to be that the population of Telford is primarily Brummies deemed too dim for Birmingham. |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:13 - Dec 29 with 2333 views | Kievthegreat |
| Lucy Allan MP on 17:15 - Dec 29 by Trequartista |
I googled "covid eczema" and the National Eczema Society say "There is no evidence to suggest that people with eczema are more likely to develop Covid-19 or to experience a more severe form of the condition if they do develop it." |
Not sure what your point is here. No one said Eczema affected Covid. |  | | |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:20 - Dec 29 with 2310 views | bournemouthblue |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:13 - Dec 29 by Kievthegreat |
Not sure what your point is here. No one said Eczema affected Covid. |
wasn't that your point?
Some of these 'underlying health conditions' deaths are equally misleading as you say
A convenient soundbite for suggesting it's not our fault? |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:20 - Dec 29 with 2306 views | Trequartista |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:13 - Dec 29 by Kievthegreat |
Not sure what your point is here. No one said Eczema affected Covid. |
It was cited by the op as an underlying health condition. | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:24 - Dec 29 with 2294 views | Dubtractor |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:20 - Dec 29 by Trequartista |
It was cited by the op as an underlying health condition. |
Yes, that is the point, lots of people will have an underlying health condition whether it impacts on Covid or not. If you rule all of those out of the statistics then you get a vastly reduced number of deaths caused by Covid-19.
Eczema will have no impact on Covid-19 at all, but Lucy Allan would choose to take those numbers out of the death tally. |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:32 - Dec 29 with 2259 views | Trequartista |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:24 - Dec 29 by Dubtractor |
Yes, that is the point, lots of people will have an underlying health condition whether it impacts on Covid or not. If you rule all of those out of the statistics then you get a vastly reduced number of deaths caused by Covid-19.
Eczema will have no impact on Covid-19 at all, but Lucy Allan would choose to take those numbers out of the death tally. |
I was under the impression that these figures were released by NHS England, and that "underlying health conditions" was a definition given by them i.e. it only refers to underlying health conditions relevant to covid.
I will dig deeper to see if this true. | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:36 - Dec 29 with 2227 views | Dubtractor |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:32 - Dec 29 by Trequartista |
I was under the impression that these figures were released by NHS England, and that "underlying health conditions" was a definition given by them i.e. it only refers to underlying health conditions relevant to covid.
I will dig deeper to see if this true. |
I see - I'd be interested to know the answer if you find out! | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:39 - Dec 29 with 2213 views | J2BLUE |
I this this is down to some people thinking 'underlying conditions' is code for 'serious illnesses where people will soon die anyway'. |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:42 - Dec 29 with 2201 views | footers |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:39 - Dec 29 by J2BLUE |
I this this is down to some people thinking 'underlying conditions' is code for 'serious illnesses where people will soon die anyway'. |
Exactly, it's mainly code for 'the elderly'. Obviously as you progress in years the more health concerns you pick up, and oftentimes these issues are interrelated with others; one condition begets another.
This whole 'underlying causes' argument is like pretending AIDS isn't a serious illness, because it's not what ultimately kills you. [Post edited 29 Dec 2020 18:43]
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:51 - Dec 29 with 2157 views | Trequartista |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:36 - Dec 29 by Dubtractor |
I see - I'd be interested to know the answer if you find out! |
I can confirm that the definition of "underlying health condition" is the definition given by NHS England, and not one invented by the newspaper or the MP. I think we can assume this means those conditions relevant to covid, otherwise the statistic would be meaningless.
Here we see the figure was 377 up to 17/12/20.
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:57 - Dec 29 with 2134 views | Kievthegreat |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:51 - Dec 29 by Trequartista |
I can confirm that the definition of "underlying health condition" is the definition given by NHS England, and not one invented by the newspaper or the MP. I think we can assume this means those conditions relevant to covid, otherwise the statistic would be meaningless.
Here we see the figure was 377 up to 17/12/20.
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No. You can't assume.
Ps. It's a thread of tweets.
Edit: TLDR version, is that it includes any pre-existing condition including 1,500 who had a mental health diagnosis, 600+ with Autism or learning difficulties and 30,000+ marked "other", which includes any pre-existing condition, relevant or not.
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:58 - Dec 29 with 2124 views | footers |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:51 - Dec 29 by Trequartista |
I can confirm that the definition of "underlying health condition" is the definition given by NHS England, and not one invented by the newspaper or the MP. I think we can assume this means those conditions relevant to covid, otherwise the statistic would be meaningless.
Here we see the figure was 377 up to 17/12/20.
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The death of one is a tragedy, but the death of a million is just a statistic, innit. | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 18:58 - Dec 29 with 2110 views | 26_Paz |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:51 - Dec 29 by Trequartista |
I can confirm that the definition of "underlying health condition" is the definition given by NHS England, and not one invented by the newspaper or the MP. I think we can assume this means those conditions relevant to covid, otherwise the statistic would be meaningless.
Here we see the figure was 377 up to 17/12/20.
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They won’t like that mate, they won’t like that at all.
When facts get in the way of their world view you can expect ‘the treatment’. |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:00 - Dec 29 with 2085 views | 26_Paz |
| Lucy Allan MP on 17:14 - Dec 29 by BlueBadger |
I have no idea what would pazzess someone to vote for these obvious, obvious frauds. Voting Tory is like being 'Lambert In'. |
You are obsessed | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:01 - Dec 29 with 2088 views | vapour_trail |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:51 - Dec 29 by Trequartista |
I can confirm that the definition of "underlying health condition" is the definition given by NHS England, and not one invented by the newspaper or the MP. I think we can assume this means those conditions relevant to covid, otherwise the statistic would be meaningless.
Here we see the figure was 377 up to 17/12/20.
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I’m not sure that assumption can be automatically made actually. |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:03 - Dec 29 with 2065 views | jaykay |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:58 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
They won’t like that mate, they won’t like that at all.
When facts get in the way of their world view you can expect ‘the treatment’. |
so you haven't read the whole thread then |  |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:09 - Dec 29 with 2014 views | 26_Paz |
| Lucy Allan MP on 19:03 - Dec 29 by jaykay |
so you haven't read the whole thread then |
I have and he’s rinsed the lot of you | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:09 - Dec 29 with 2023 views | Trequartista |
| Lucy Allan MP on 19:01 - Dec 29 by vapour_trail |
I’m not sure that assumption can be automatically made actually. |
That's a fair point. We should question everything.
I'm just a punter trying to find the truth, googling as i go in this case, i have no interest in attempting to underplay covid as the mp has been accused of.
My real interest here is how many people we need to vaccinate before we have covered those with "underlying health conditions" because when they have been done, the figures left are relatively low. Which makes the definition of "underlying health conditions" so important. | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:09 - Dec 29 with 2012 views | footers |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:58 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
They won’t like that mate, they won’t like that at all.
When facts get in the way of their world view you can expect ‘the treatment’. |
...said the hardcore Brexiteer, covid-superspreader. | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:11 - Dec 29 with 1992 views | J2BLUE |
| Lucy Allan MP on 19:09 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
I have and he’s rinsed the lot of you |
Which part of excess deaths did you misunderstand? | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:11 - Dec 29 with 1990 views | SpruceMoose |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:58 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
They won’t like that mate, they won’t like that at all.
When facts get in the way of their world view you can expect ‘the treatment’. |
That mask is now floating in a puddle tattered and torn like an old Wetherspoons receipt.
What a nasty little individual you are. | |
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| Lucy Allan MP on 19:12 - Dec 29 with 1978 views | J2BLUE |
| Lucy Allan MP on 18:58 - Dec 29 by 26_Paz |
They won’t like that mate, they won’t like that at all.
When facts get in the way of their world view you can expect ‘the treatment’. |
Please consult Bronn from Game of Thrones for why you can't be offered any treatment. | |
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