| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. 11:17 - Mar 9 with 10122 views | Lord_Lucan |
Because I am stoopid I completely forgot about the possible price increase. December I was paying .51p a litre and yesterday it was £1.19
There isn't even much point in reducing the load because it will probably go up again.
Tighten your belts and hang on tight TW4TDers - I think it's only just begun! |  |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:36 - Mar 9 with 1508 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 11:19 - Mar 9 by GeoffSentence |
Yep, given the price of oil I am thinking about the possibility of installing a ground source heat pump. Oil's not going to get any cheaper. |
You probably know this already, but ground source requires a huge area of land to be cost-effective. Then the heat exchange coil is laid horizontally at a relatively shallow depth. The heat exchange does have a knock on effect on the land, as it reduces the soil and air temperature from the area.
The alternative is for a borehole to be drilled, which can be eye-wateringly expensive. 10 years ago I was quoted 30 grand for the drilling alone for a public building in an urban area, and we would have had to indemnify against theft of the contractors equipment as their insurance wouldn't cover it. Basically I don't think they wanted the job!
Either way it is something that should have been made a building regs requirement for new homes, but is incredibly costly to retro-fit. |  | | |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:38 - Mar 9 with 1507 views | Vic |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:16 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
It's a brand new boiler as we had a new one fitted when we put a granny annex on - well 2 years old.
It's a fair size lump to heat to be honest but I always get concerned when people say their bill is in the 100's
I'll look into this heating pump thing. |
I asked my plumber about this a couple of months ago. he said that air source heat pumps are actually more expensive to run than gas. Not sure how the gas and oil increases will affect that.
Anecdotally my work place is a new build and we have air source heat pumps fitted. So far they have been massively more expensive to run than the old gas heating. |  |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:39 - Mar 9 with 1499 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:28 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
Is the oil for your home on top of this? |
Oil is for the business premises | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:39 - Mar 9 with 1497 views | itfcjoe |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:33 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
So basically I'm fecked!
To compound matters my daughter and her mob have moved in as she has bought a new house which needs renovating so we currently have 8 (EIGHT) living in the house! |
It'll come down because usage lower through spring and summer, but if they are there next winter and have heating on all day it will be massively expensive.
My wife is at home 2 days with the kids and WFH the other 3 so our bills are huge - nd we've just got a static caravan up in Norfolk so paying through the nose everywhere |  |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:40 - Mar 9 with 1490 views | bluelagos |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:33 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
So basically I'm fecked!
To compound matters my daughter and her mob have moved in as she has bought a new house which needs renovating so we currently have 8 (EIGHT) living in the house! |
Charge em (and your mother) some rent to offset the costs. If they moan, point them to the nearest Travelodge. |  |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:41 - Mar 9 with 1485 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:39 - Mar 9 by itfcjoe |
It'll come down because usage lower through spring and summer, but if they are there next winter and have heating on all day it will be massively expensive.
My wife is at home 2 days with the kids and WFH the other 3 so our bills are huge - nd we've just got a static caravan up in Norfolk so paying through the nose everywhere |
Daughter mob moved in after the last bill
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:42 - Mar 9 with 1479 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:40 - Mar 9 by bluelagos |
Charge em (and your mother) some rent to offset the costs. If they moan, point them to the nearest Travelodge. |
They all pay rent - but that doesn't cover their food!
Well it does for RKD as he eats plants and grass - but he has about 10 showers a day. | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:55 - Mar 9 with 1461 views | Frating |
Ordered some last week @78 with Goff, now 129 with them | | | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:01 - Mar 9 with 1449 views | Freddies_Ears |
I have had the dreaded warning from the gas and electricity people. Gas going up from £80 per month to £150, electricity from £80 to £120. Mobile phone charges going up around 10%. Petrol and diesel up hugely (I drive around 2000 miles a month, so about an £80 per month increase on a few months ago). Council tax is going to be quite a bit higher too. Supermarket shop is up around 10% since Q3 last year, I would estimate - nothing spectacular, but many items are edging up. Official inflation figures understate my increase in cost of living by quite a bit.
I have read that, in October, gas and electricity prices could well go up another 50%+. So next winter I could be paying £400 a month, compared with £160 at present... Given that my costs are currently low compared with many people, that is absolutely brutal. | | | |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:01 - Mar 9 with 1447 views | WD19 |
I picked this year to treat myself to a car that does 25 mpg. |  | | |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:08 - Mar 9 with 1441 views | Guthrum |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:01 - Mar 9 by WD19 |
I picked this year to treat myself to a car that does 25 mpg. |
I have also swapped from a diesel doing 50+ to a petrol which ranges from 30-38mpg. Tho it does consume less oil. |  |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:20 - Mar 9 with 1419 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:55 - Mar 9 by Frating |
Ordered some last week @78 with Goff, now 129 with them |
Oh really?
I use Goff as well.
I was going to order last week but forgot | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:29 - Mar 9 with 1411 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:08 - Mar 9 by Guthrum |
I have also swapped from a diesel doing 50+ to a petrol which ranges from 30-38mpg. Tho it does consume less oil. |
I've been fannying around for 6 months trying to decide what electric car to buy. I've gone from Kia to Hyundai to Tesla.
I think I'm going to go for a Tesla but I can't bring myself to push the button.
My expenses have gone through the roof! Our ocean freight has gone from $9,000 per container to $36,000 and we have 7 containers coming in. The cost of delivery from port to our warehouse (1 hour away) is £1000 - all this is going to go up further because of oil costs and I have no doubt the shipping companies will use Ukraine as an excuse to put the prices up as well.
We are having to move to a larger warehouse and because we store explosives the costs are off the scale - I mean, really off the scale.
Everything is going complete tits up. | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:55 - Mar 9 with 1372 views | GeoffSentence |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:10 - Mar 9 by leitrimblue |
Jah bless storms Dudley, Eunice and Franklyn |
As I am out and about the countryside I see so much wood lying around and curse the fact that I have no practical way of getting more than an armful back home. |  |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:01 - Mar 9 with 1364 views | giant_stow |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:33 - Mar 9 by BarcaBlue |
I have a couple of tourist apartments in the Pyrenees and the energy bills are becoming untenable. I spoke to my electrician mate and he said to install limiters, €200 a pop and guests can't whack up the central heating over a programmed maximum.
I was thinking 23 degrees max, is that a fair limit? Does anyone at home have their thermostats higher? |
23 degrees sounds like enough to me. Your places aren't near Amelies les bain or Ceret are they? When alive, mrs Ullaa's Dad lived up a mountain near there right by the Spanish border - gorgeous area. |  |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:03 - Mar 9 with 1362 views | Guthrum |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:29 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
I've been fannying around for 6 months trying to decide what electric car to buy. I've gone from Kia to Hyundai to Tesla.
I think I'm going to go for a Tesla but I can't bring myself to push the button.
My expenses have gone through the roof! Our ocean freight has gone from $9,000 per container to $36,000 and we have 7 containers coming in. The cost of delivery from port to our warehouse (1 hour away) is £1000 - all this is going to go up further because of oil costs and I have no doubt the shipping companies will use Ukraine as an excuse to put the prices up as well.
We are having to move to a larger warehouse and because we store explosives the costs are off the scale - I mean, really off the scale.
Everything is going complete tits up. |
I'd have loved a hybrid, but they're still too expensive, even second-hand.
Painful on the shipping costs. I've noticed raw materials are beginning to climb again, combined with the ongoing patchy availability. [Post edited 9 Mar 2022 14:04]
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:04 - Mar 9 with 1359 views | giant_stow |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:29 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
I've been fannying around for 6 months trying to decide what electric car to buy. I've gone from Kia to Hyundai to Tesla.
I think I'm going to go for a Tesla but I can't bring myself to push the button.
My expenses have gone through the roof! Our ocean freight has gone from $9,000 per container to $36,000 and we have 7 containers coming in. The cost of delivery from port to our warehouse (1 hour away) is £1000 - all this is going to go up further because of oil costs and I have no doubt the shipping companies will use Ukraine as an excuse to put the prices up as well.
We are having to move to a larger warehouse and because we store explosives the costs are off the scale - I mean, really off the scale.
Everything is going complete tits up. |
Sorry to hear that mr - hope you hang in there. | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:06 - Mar 9 with 1355 views | Guthrum |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:55 - Mar 9 by GeoffSentence |
As I am out and about the countryside I see so much wood lying around and curse the fact that I have no practical way of getting more than an armful back home. |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:10 - Mar 9 with 1333 views | GeoffSentence |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 12:36 - Mar 9 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You probably know this already, but ground source requires a huge area of land to be cost-effective. Then the heat exchange coil is laid horizontally at a relatively shallow depth. The heat exchange does have a knock on effect on the land, as it reduces the soil and air temperature from the area.
The alternative is for a borehole to be drilled, which can be eye-wateringly expensive. 10 years ago I was quoted 30 grand for the drilling alone for a public building in an urban area, and we would have had to indemnify against theft of the contractors equipment as their insurance wouldn't cover it. Basically I don't think they wanted the job!
Either way it is something that should have been made a building regs requirement for new homes, but is incredibly costly to retro-fit. |
Yep, we do have a decent sized garden, big enough for a horizontal coil. The main question is whether the various obstructions, there are drains and mains water supply crossing the land, would render it too difficult or expensive. Also whether we'd be able to heat the house and water properly with the lower temperature flow from a GSHP. | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:11 - Mar 9 with 1329 views | GeoffSentence |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:06 - Mar 9 by Guthrum |
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Completely forgot I'd had that photo taken. | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:13 - Mar 9 with 1320 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:04 - Mar 9 by giant_stow |
Sorry to hear that mr - hope you hang in there. |
Thanks but I'm sure we'll be ok, I was just having a moan - ultimately the prices will have to be passed on and this will impact on everything we all buy - but I must admit the cash flow thing is a bit scary. The Chinese are turning the screw as well because they are all skint, whereas we used to get good credit terms we now have to pay up front, it's crazy.
We have no choice because the factories are picking and choosing and cash is king, they have limited hours to work as well as they have little power and whole cities are getting power cuts to save energy.
The world is in a bit of a state at the moment | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:31 - Mar 9 with 1276 views | giant_stow |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:13 - Mar 9 by Lord_Lucan |
Thanks but I'm sure we'll be ok, I was just having a moan - ultimately the prices will have to be passed on and this will impact on everything we all buy - but I must admit the cash flow thing is a bit scary. The Chinese are turning the screw as well because they are all skint, whereas we used to get good credit terms we now have to pay up front, it's crazy.
We have no choice because the factories are picking and choosing and cash is king, they have limited hours to work as well as they have little power and whole cities are getting power cuts to save energy.
The world is in a bit of a state at the moment |
fascinating to hear about the power situ over there - first I've heard of it. | |
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| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:33 - Mar 9 with 1271 views | leitrimblue |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 13:55 - Mar 9 by GeoffSentence |
As I am out and about the countryside I see so much wood lying around and curse the fact that I have no practical way of getting more than an armful back home. |
That is a feck3r. Small chainsaw and a wheelbarrow would probably do it |  | | |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:40 - Mar 9 with 1264 views | HARRY10 |
fank gawd we are out of that ruddy common market
them there Frenchies have told a Frenchie company EDF, that they can't raise prices by more than 4%, fankfully we have no truck with that sort of fing and EDF in the UK can raise ours by 54%
anyhows the government will pay the bills for those who only have a few farzen shares
"The Government will give all 28 million households in Britain a £200 up-front rebate on their energy bills from October. This will be recouped by hiking bills by £40 per year over five years from 2023."
Daily Express, 9/3/22
which is good news for northern shareholders innit, and they will get even more money, as "Oil giants BP and Shell are on course to make a combined profit of almost £40bn this year from the rocketing price of petrol and gas"
imagine the dividends that will pay to UK bill payers who all now own the companies fanks to privatisashun, none going to forrin jonnies, but all to UK peoples
which well help us to pay the bills, gawd bless 'em says I, thems our betters | | | |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:42 - Mar 9 with 1264 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Yesterday I ordered 2000 litres of heating oil without checking the price. on 14:31 - Mar 9 by giant_stow |
fascinating to hear about the power situ over there - first I've heard of it. |
It's not a new thing - although they used to wait until evening to pull the plug.
Years back in the city I go there was only one westernised hotel and that would lose the power every night around 22.00 and then you used to have to put your long johns on, it was freezing. Over the last 15 years a couple more westernised hotels have popped up and the power crisis also got better (but they also seemed to have some generator to keep the heating on).
I dread to think what is going on there now. It is a very small city by Chinese standards of about 2m people and they only had one beer bar, poor old cow sunk all her money into it and the only customers were the few westeners staying in the nearby hotel, If she is still open I doubt she has had a customer since Feb 2020
I've diverse and I've droned on haven't I. I feel very sorry for them to be honest. | |
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