| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? 08:17 - Nov 9 with 22606 views | GeoffSentence |
It's not just the quackery of their 'medicine' that is an issue. The Telegraph have done an undercover investigation and discovered this.
"The majority of the homeopaths told undercover reporters that if they were in their situation they would not give their healthy young children the vaccinations recommended by the NHS."
there is more on this front in their report today, not only are they advocating pseudo-scientific nonsense but they are trying to dissuade people from proven effective medical practises.
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 08:38 - Nov 9 with 3969 views | MattinLondon |
Parents who don’t vaccinate their children are just as dangerous as the charlatans who practise homeopathy. |  | | |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 08:51 - Nov 9 with 3936 views | lowhouseblue |
their advice is actually very good for you, provided you dilute it with proper science to the point where none of their advice whatsoever remains. |  |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:08 - Nov 9 with 3922 views | StokieBlue |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 08:51 - Nov 9 by lowhouseblue |
their advice is actually very good for you, provided you dilute it with proper science to the point where none of their advice whatsoever remains. |
Very good :).
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:11 - Nov 9 with 3915 views | StokieBlue |
Homeopathy is one of the worst types of woo given that it does absolutely nothing and sometimes causes people to stop treatments which could help them.
We've done this before and there will be a few citing anecdotal evidence that it works and will refuse to be corrected. There will also be a few confusing placebo and activation of the placebo.
In the end, all anyone needs to know is that homeopathy is provably false and shouldn't be practiced. At least it's off the NHS now but more needs to be done to educate people about pseudo-science in health.
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:14 - Nov 9 with 3907 views | longtimefan |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 08:51 - Nov 9 by lowhouseblue |
their advice is actually very good for you, provided you dilute it with proper science to the point where none of their advice whatsoever remains. |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:55 - Nov 9 with 3858 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:11 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
Homeopathy is one of the worst types of woo given that it does absolutely nothing and sometimes causes people to stop treatments which could help them.
We've done this before and there will be a few citing anecdotal evidence that it works and will refuse to be corrected. There will also be a few confusing placebo and activation of the placebo.
In the end, all anyone needs to know is that homeopathy is provably false and shouldn't be practiced. At least it's off the NHS now but more needs to be done to educate people about pseudo-science in health.
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"There will also be a few confusing placebo and activation of the placebo. "
Would you mind explaining what you mean by this? |  |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:59 - Nov 9 with 3861 views | StokieBlue |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:55 - Nov 9 by caught-in-limbo |
"There will also be a few confusing placebo and activation of the placebo. "
Would you mind explaining what you mean by this? |
Yes I would mind because you will twist whatever I say and turn the debate toxic like you always do.
Have a lovely day.
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 10:10 - Nov 9 with 3835 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:59 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
Yes I would mind because you will twist whatever I say and turn the debate toxic like you always do.
Have a lovely day.
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I'd say we have different opinions and we generally manage to express them without getting acrimonious. Other posters sometimes jump in with insults and someone else accused of creating the resulting toxic atmosphere.
I honestly think this site is better if opposing or challenging views can be expressed without being met with name calling. What's the point of just linking to articles in the press with the intention of confirming conformity of opinion?
With regards to twisting language, you are one of the most erudite posters on this site and I'm not sure I could twist your words. In fact, I always ask for confirmation of what you're saying to avoid such accusations... exactly as I have done here. | |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:15 - Nov 9 with 3782 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 09:11 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
Homeopathy is one of the worst types of woo given that it does absolutely nothing and sometimes causes people to stop treatments which could help them.
We've done this before and there will be a few citing anecdotal evidence that it works and will refuse to be corrected. There will also be a few confusing placebo and activation of the placebo.
In the end, all anyone needs to know is that homeopathy is provably false and shouldn't be practiced. At least it's off the NHS now but more needs to be done to educate people about pseudo-science in health.
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I disagree and find your post very patronising, but there's no point getting into a debate/argument as you already know your truth. I'll just carry on doing what I know works for me and bid you good day. |  |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:17 - Nov 9 with 3778 views | BrixtonBlue |
Snake oil became a joke and died out. Homeopathy didn't, is perfectly legal, and was even prescribed on the NHS until very recently. | |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:20 - Nov 9 with 3773 views | hampstead_blue |
The joys of freedom.
All we can do is maintain a conversation of 'quackery' and hopefully over time they will become extinct.
The problem is that one of the biggest effects in medicine is the placebo effect. It is so powerful. Homeopathy, I think, draws on this to 'prove' efficacy.
It is dangerous. I believe in science, drugs, and nature were proven. Not forgetting tramadol and gin. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:26 - Nov 9 with 3752 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:20 - Nov 9 by hampstead_blue |
The joys of freedom.
All we can do is maintain a conversation of 'quackery' and hopefully over time they will become extinct.
The problem is that one of the biggest effects in medicine is the placebo effect. It is so powerful. Homeopathy, I think, draws on this to 'prove' efficacy.
It is dangerous. I believe in science, drugs, and nature were proven. Not forgetting tramadol and gin. |
Apart from the drugs that have been withdrawn due to making things worse and/or killing people, presumably? | |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:29 - Nov 9 with 3743 views | sparks |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:15 - Nov 9 by BrixtonBlue |
I disagree and find your post very patronising, but there's no point getting into a debate/argument as you already know your truth. I'll just carry on doing what I know works for me and bid you good day. |
"Your truth"? The very existence of that concept is problematic.
Something is true if it conforms with reality. Full stop. |  |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:30 - Nov 9 with 3739 views | sparks |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:17 - Nov 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Snake oil became a joke and died out. Homeopathy didn't, is perfectly legal, and was even prescribed on the NHS until very recently. |
Which illustrates the problem perfectly. | |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:49 - Nov 9 with 3701 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:17 - Nov 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Snake oil became a joke and died out. Homeopathy didn't, is perfectly legal, and was even prescribed on the NHS until very recently. |
Homeopathy is also available via the French national health system.
"The French health care system is one of [sic] universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance. In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "best overall health care" in the world."
"The Ministry of Health directly negotiates prices of medicine with the manufacturers, based on the average price of sale observed in neighbouring countries. A board of doctors and experts decides if the medicine provides a valuable enough medical benefit to be reimbursed (note that most medicine is reimbursed, including homeopathy)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France
So a group of experts and doctors from the world's best overall health care system (according to the WHO) have decided that homeopathy provides valuable enough medical benefit to be reimbursed.
I'm not a homeopathy user myself, but I'm grateful that it's available to me.
It would appear the advice given by many on this site to "trust experts" is in reality entirely optional and done so in accordance with their right to choose. I'm in favour of that, as everyone should be. [Post edited 9 Nov 2019 11:52]
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:52 - Nov 9 with 3703 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:26 - Nov 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Apart from the drugs that have been withdrawn due to making things worse and/or killing people, presumably? |
That's more down to the drugs companies wanting to keep their profits up,their high pressure lobbying and a failure of regulation rather than than the principle of scientific medicine being invalid - in most cases the adverse effects were known or suspected but the drugs were released anyway.
I think Labour currently has a reasonable policy on drugs manufacture IIRC? |  |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:52 - Nov 9 with 3703 views | StokieBlue |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:15 - Nov 9 by BrixtonBlue |
I disagree and find your post very patronising, but there's no point getting into a debate/argument as you already know your truth. I'll just carry on doing what I know works for me and bid you good day. |
It's not patronising. There is no science that supports your position outside of placebo which isn't related to the actual homeopathy itself.
I'm actually find your post rather condescending given you've decided you know more than the global effort of medical science. We've been over this before though and all your points were refuted.
I'm glad you think it works for you but that's not the homeopathy aspect that's having the effect.
I bid you good day as well.
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:53 - Nov 9 with 3694 views | StokieBlue |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:17 - Nov 9 by BrixtonBlue |
Snake oil became a joke and died out. Homeopathy didn't, is perfectly legal, and was even prescribed on the NHS until very recently. |
It was stopped being prescribed because science determined it didn't work.
You've disproved your own stance....
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:55 - Nov 9 with 3685 views | WD19 |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:49 - Nov 9 by caught-in-limbo |
Homeopathy is also available via the French national health system.
"The French health care system is one of [sic] universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance. In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "best overall health care" in the world."
"The Ministry of Health directly negotiates prices of medicine with the manufacturers, based on the average price of sale observed in neighbouring countries. A board of doctors and experts decides if the medicine provides a valuable enough medical benefit to be reimbursed (note that most medicine is reimbursed, including homeopathy)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France
So a group of experts and doctors from the world's best overall health care system (according to the WHO) have decided that homeopathy provides valuable enough medical benefit to be reimbursed.
I'm not a homeopathy user myself, but I'm grateful that it's available to me.
It would appear the advice given by many on this site to "trust experts" is in reality entirely optional and done so in accordance with their right to choose. I'm in favour of that, as everyone should be. [Post edited 9 Nov 2019 11:52]
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“Nevertheless, in July 2019 the French ministry of health announced to no longer reimburse homeopathic medicines starting from 2021 as they are deemed to "not provide sufficient public health benefits". |  | | |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:56 - Nov 9 with 3680 views | StokieBlue |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:49 - Nov 9 by caught-in-limbo |
Homeopathy is also available via the French national health system.
"The French health care system is one of [sic] universal health care largely financed by government national health insurance. In its 2000 assessment of world health care systems, the World Health Organization found that France provided the "best overall health care" in the world."
"The Ministry of Health directly negotiates prices of medicine with the manufacturers, based on the average price of sale observed in neighbouring countries. A board of doctors and experts decides if the medicine provides a valuable enough medical benefit to be reimbursed (note that most medicine is reimbursed, including homeopathy)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_France
So a group of experts and doctors from the world's best overall health care system (according to the WHO) have decided that homeopathy provides valuable enough medical benefit to be reimbursed.
I'm not a homeopathy user myself, but I'm grateful that it's available to me.
It would appear the advice given by many on this site to "trust experts" is in reality entirely optional and done so in accordance with their right to choose. I'm in favour of that, as everyone should be. [Post edited 9 Nov 2019 11:52]
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Appeal to authority fallacy.
I thought you hated those?
Nowhere near enough information there to know why they are providing something with no medical benefit.
SB
Edit: Oh dear, seems WD19 has answered my point quite nicely. [Post edited 9 Nov 2019 11:57]
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:58 - Nov 9 with 3660 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:52 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
It's not patronising. There is no science that supports your position outside of placebo which isn't related to the actual homeopathy itself.
I'm actually find your post rather condescending given you've decided you know more than the global effort of medical science. We've been over this before though and all your points were refuted.
I'm glad you think it works for you but that's not the homeopathy aspect that's having the effect.
I bid you good day as well.
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"There is no science that supports your position outside of placebo which isn't related to the actual homeopathy itself.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the science you quote believes homeopathy to be so dilute that it is inert. Is that not exactly what the chemical composition a placebo pill is? If so, then according to science the placebo is directly related to how it views homeopathy. | |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 12:05 - Nov 9 with 3632 views | sparks |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:58 - Nov 9 by caught-in-limbo |
"There is no science that supports your position outside of placebo which isn't related to the actual homeopathy itself.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the science you quote believes homeopathy to be so dilute that it is inert. Is that not exactly what the chemical composition a placebo pill is? If so, then according to science the placebo is directly related to how it views homeopathy. |
Remember SB's comments above about how the conversation would go?
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 14:30 - Nov 9 with 3549 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:56 - Nov 9 by StokieBlue |
Appeal to authority fallacy.
I thought you hated those?
Nowhere near enough information there to know why they are providing something with no medical benefit.
SB
Edit: Oh dear, seems WD19 has answered my point quite nicely. [Post edited 9 Nov 2019 11:57]
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"Appeal to authority fallacy. I thought you hated those?"
Funny you should say that in the post where I post the following words which describe my precise position on the matter:
"It would appear the advice given by many on this site to "trust experts" is in reality entirely optional and done so in accordance with their right to choose. I'm in favour of that, as everyone should be." | |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 14:33 - Nov 9 with 3544 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 11:55 - Nov 9 by WD19 |
Keep up...
“Nevertheless, in July 2019 the French ministry of health announced to no longer reimburse homeopathic medicines starting from 2021 as they are deemed to "not provide sufficient public health benefits". |
Nowhere near enough information there to know why they are not providing something with "no medical benefit" after decades of doing precisely the opposite. | |
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| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 14:38 - Nov 9 with 3537 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How are homeopathy allowed to practise? on 12:05 - Nov 9 by sparks |
Remember SB's comments above about how the conversation would go?
QED. |
That's why I gave him an opportunity to clarify what he meant the first time round and then started my sentence with "Correct me if I'm wrong" when he turned down the opportunity to explain himself.
Ostensum est. [Post edited 9 Nov 2019 14:39]
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