| 2% pay freeze for public sector 11:24 - Nov 1 with 2847 views | LeoMuff |
Being reported by daily mail today, if so I would imagine the NHS as we know it is done for, this will be unacceptable to the majority of workers.
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:04 - Nov 1 with 2256 views | BlueBadger |
It's as depressing and counter productive as it is predictable. |  |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:08 - Nov 1 with 2240 views | Keno |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:04 - Nov 1 by BlueBadger |
It's as depressing and counter productive as it is predictable. |
But Badgie you have all those claps to cherish from lockdown ..... |  |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:08 - Nov 1 with 2237 views | giant_stow |
Depressing if true.
It really does seem like the situ with the NHS is getting very serious indeed for staff and service users. Just in a small illustration of that, I have a skin thing thats been driving me nuts (itching hives - yum), but even getting a gp appointment, let alone a referral is proving tricky. I googled some private place just to see the options, and an initial consultation (only - no tests or treatment) would cost £300 inc VAT. I'll wait my turn and be grateful when it comes!
Edit: actually, just to put the other side, 3 weeks ago, I thought I was having a heart attack, and was strapped to an ECG in casualty about an hour later, so don't want to sound like a whinger, as that was seriously impressive. [Post edited 1 Nov 2022 12:18]
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:14 - Nov 1 with 2204 views | noggin |
Yeah but growth and investment. |  |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:54 - Nov 1 with 2080 views | ghostofescobar |
It also suits some wealthy, powerful people, who know that continued poor service from the NHS is driving more and more people to the private sector. This both increases profit for private medical companies now and (some will say) strengthens the argument to turn more and more of the NHS over to the private sector i.e. NHS = bad, private = good, so just make it all private. |  |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 13:26 - Nov 1 with 2007 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:54 - Nov 1 by ghostofescobar |
It also suits some wealthy, powerful people, who know that continued poor service from the NHS is driving more and more people to the private sector. This both increases profit for private medical companies now and (some will say) strengthens the argument to turn more and more of the NHS over to the private sector i.e. NHS = bad, private = good, so just make it all private. |
Someone I work with went private for a procedure earlier this year was seen in a week. They need another one now and the same consultant isn’t available until April next year. I’m not sure how representative that is, but I can’t see many people turning private and paying a fortune to only have massive waits. |  |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 13:58 - Nov 1 with 1925 views | KernowBluey |
As a worker for the NHS (been a front line cleaner for covid wards for almost 3 years), I've spoken to multiple nurses, doctors, HCAs, senior sisters and consultants, and we're all saying the same thing....
We're all voting for national strikes. Pay is a bloody joke, we're being run off our feet, and the government arnt exactly helping either! |  | | |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 14:07 - Nov 1 with 1900 views | itfc_bucks |
Not just critical in the NHS - fully expect (and endorse) my wife and her fellow teachers going on strike. The real terms pay cut over the last decade is no longer tenable. |  | | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 15:36 - Nov 1 with 1758 views | Cotty |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 14:07 - Nov 1 by itfc_bucks |
Not just critical in the NHS - fully expect (and endorse) my wife and her fellow teachers going on strike. The real terms pay cut over the last decade is no longer tenable. |
Lecturers/professors also going on strike after a successful vote this week. |  | | |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 15:45 - Nov 1 with 1740 views | hoppy |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:08 - Nov 1 by Keno |
But Badgie you have all those claps to cherish from lockdown ..... |
Indeed. Not everyone got the clap in lockdown. |  |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:10 - Nov 1 with 1685 views | DerryfromBury |
The alternative is big hike in all taxes. People need to realise, you can't have good public services without paying for them.
The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you. |  | | |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:28 - Nov 1 with 1643 views | BlueBadger |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 15:45 - Nov 1 by hoppy |
Indeed. Not everyone got the clap in lockdown. |
Handjob certainly stood a chance of it... | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:30 - Nov 1 with 1641 views | noggin |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:10 - Nov 1 by DerryfromBury |
The alternative is big hike in all taxes. People need to realise, you can't have good public services without paying for them.
The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you. |
"The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you."
Or from the tax avoiding super rich and tax avoiding corporations. | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:33 - Nov 1 with 1624 views | Zx1988 |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:10 - Nov 1 by DerryfromBury |
The alternative is big hike in all taxes. People need to realise, you can't have good public services without paying for them.
The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you. |
The Government has many many potential sources of additional income that could be utilised before they would even have to consider increasing the tax burden upon the Man On The Clapham Omnibus.
To suggest that the only way to improve public services is to increase general taxation is disingenuous at best and, at worst, merely the parroting of Conservative propaganda. | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:34 - Nov 1 with 1622 views | BlueBadger |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:10 - Nov 1 by DerryfromBury |
The alternative is big hike in all taxes. People need to realise, you can't have good public services without paying for them.
The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you. |
They have a massive money tree when it comes to funding tax cuts and lucrative contracts for their mates. | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:36 - Nov 1 with 1612 views | BlueBadger |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:30 - Nov 1 by noggin |
"The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you."
Or from the tax avoiding super rich and tax avoiding corporations. |
I wonder if Derry will be the one who finally tells us what it is he likes best about the Tories out of the bigotry, the open corruption, the incompetence, the dishonesty or the criminality? | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:37 - Nov 1 with 1610 views | LeoMuff |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:10 - Nov 1 by DerryfromBury |
The alternative is big hike in all taxes. People need to realise, you can't have good public services without paying for them.
The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you. |
Well you can’t expect highly professional people to take up roles when they can be paid better elsewhere, nurses on £29k for a highly responsible and thankless task, which you accrue thousands in debt just to qualify.
I have number of friends who would earn more than a surgeon, in some cases significantly more to work in banking, tax advice, BT manager, accountant, not saying they shouldn’t be well paid but more than a brain surgeon, not for me.
I’m afraid you need highly qualified people to run a health service, and after 12 years of real terms cut, decimated services, huge waits in ED, staff won’t tolerate further freezes, and the disaster of the last decade will run and run.
The government has a money tree for the things it wishes to fund, unfortunately the nhs isn’t one of them. | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:06 - Nov 1 with 1568 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:33 - Nov 1 by Zx1988 |
The Government has many many potential sources of additional income that could be utilised before they would even have to consider increasing the tax burden upon the Man On The Clapham Omnibus.
To suggest that the only way to improve public services is to increase general taxation is disingenuous at best and, at worst, merely the parroting of Conservative propaganda. |
Indeed.
Wealth taxes on land owners, those with huge property portfolios (sounds like the Royal family) who don’t actually generate any value to the economy. Increased CGT for those who are wealthy but largely avoid income tax.
The likes of bankers may well be greedy and well paid but largely they’ll be contributing a significant amount in PAYE. However there’s a whole class of people in the UK that are wealthy enough to not work and just live off their investments and assets. It’s always surprising to see on property deeds etc the amount of titled people you’ve never heard of living off inherited wealth. | | | |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:08 - Nov 1 with 1561 views | Keno |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 16:10 - Nov 1 by DerryfromBury |
The alternative is big hike in all taxes. People need to realise, you can't have good public services without paying for them.
The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you. |
"The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you"
well unless you count the £2billion paid to DUP as a bribe for supporting the government over Brexit
that turned out well for them!! [Post edited 1 Nov 2022 19:32]
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:10 - Nov 1 with 1554 views | OldFart71 |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 12:08 - Nov 1 by giant_stow |
Depressing if true.
It really does seem like the situ with the NHS is getting very serious indeed for staff and service users. Just in a small illustration of that, I have a skin thing thats been driving me nuts (itching hives - yum), but even getting a gp appointment, let alone a referral is proving tricky. I googled some private place just to see the options, and an initial consultation (only - no tests or treatment) would cost £300 inc VAT. I'll wait my turn and be grateful when it comes!
Edit: actually, just to put the other side, 3 weeks ago, I thought I was having a heart attack, and was strapped to an ECG in casualty about an hour later, so don't want to sound like a whinger, as that was seriously impressive. [Post edited 1 Nov 2022 12:18]
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:13 - Nov 1 with 1542 views | hoppy |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:08 - Nov 1 by Keno |
"The government doesn't have its own money tree, every penny spent comes from taxes collected from the likes of me and you"
well unless you count the £2billion paid to DUP as a bribe for supporting the government over Brexit
that turned out well for them!! [Post edited 1 Nov 2022 19:32]
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That's one expensive wedding. | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:16 - Nov 1 with 1532 views | OldFart71 |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 13:58 - Nov 1 by KernowBluey |
As a worker for the NHS (been a front line cleaner for covid wards for almost 3 years), I've spoken to multiple nurses, doctors, HCAs, senior sisters and consultants, and we're all saying the same thing....
We're all voting for national strikes. Pay is a bloody joke, we're being run off our feet, and the government arnt exactly helping either! |
I fully sympathise with all Public Sector workers. When Osborne was Chancellor we lost our bonuses. I say lost, because you were virtually assured of a bonus when I started. They have been whittling away at holidays and the pay rises were then at about 2% unless you were unlucky enough to be paid over £23,000 in which case you got no pay rise at all. Then they wonder why 41,000 nurses have left the profession in the last year and one in eight midwives. | | | |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:25 - Nov 1 with 1505 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
The teachers are already balloting on strike action to begin after Christmas. There is going to be a lot of disruption far worse than a few train strikes very soon. Sunak (or Boris or whoever) will see it as a great opportunity to stand up to the greedy public service workers and put us in our place too.
Note one of the issues (aside from the below-inflation pay rise yet again), is they are giving no money for the pay rise. So, this Government expect the already stretched school budgets to magic up the money somehow. They will always find the money for their tax cuts, bribes, dodgy contracts, own pay rises, wars, etc, etc. Just not for public services. It is an austerity ideology they cannot get away from. |  |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:55 - Nov 1 with 1452 views | LeoMuff |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:25 - Nov 1 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The teachers are already balloting on strike action to begin after Christmas. There is going to be a lot of disruption far worse than a few train strikes very soon. Sunak (or Boris or whoever) will see it as a great opportunity to stand up to the greedy public service workers and put us in our place too.
Note one of the issues (aside from the below-inflation pay rise yet again), is they are giving no money for the pay rise. So, this Government expect the already stretched school budgets to magic up the money somehow. They will always find the money for their tax cuts, bribes, dodgy contracts, own pay rises, wars, etc, etc. Just not for public services. It is an austerity ideology they cannot get away from. |
And of course Liz trusses yearly £115k for life, as a reward for her 44 days of carnage. | |
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| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 18:06 - Nov 1 with 1421 views | BlueBadger |
| 2% pay freeze for public sector on 17:13 - Nov 1 by hoppy |
That's one expensive wedding. |
Unlike a lot of failed marriages, this is one that left BOTH parties worse off when it fell apart | |
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