| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… 00:16 - Jul 9 with 1601 views | unstableblue |
…last few days, and mad cap statements such as ‘the idea that politics can be reduced to truth and lies is very depressing’.. I know does that even make sense?!
Have a read of the below:
Boris Johnson: Fact-checking three years of the outgoing prime minister's claims https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/62071182
Sums it up doesn’t it. What a shower of bullish!t it has been. Let’s hope we have a change to honesty and integrity in part at Westminster.
No more ‘general posts’ and politics from me for a while
Time for posts about first 11s, bucket seats and friendly match reports
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 08:19 - Jul 9 with 1302 views | Swansea_Blue |
Oh, so NOW the BBC decide to start holding him to account. It’s a bit late for that. |  |
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 11:06 - Jul 9 with 1202 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 08:19 - Jul 9 by Swansea_Blue |
Oh, so NOW the BBC decide to start holding him to account. It’s a bit late for that. |
Ros Atkins has consistently fact checked things over the past 5 years. |  | | |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 11:11 - Jul 9 with 1189 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 11:06 - Jul 9 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Ros Atkins has consistently fact checked things over the past 5 years. |
That's true. And Newsnight have been too in fairness. Mainstream BBC news (at the time before Ross took off) was woefully lacking though. You'd never have had items like this whilst they were primarily acting as the press arm of No 10. "A number 10 spokesperson tells us... [insert daily government message]".
To be generous they were at best cautious. At worse they were complicit it uncritical propagation of government propaganda. | |
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 11:24 - Jul 9 with 1173 views | mylittletown |
Oborne is one of the few living examples of a person of pretty right wing views who is not also a liar, fool, or hypocrite.
I disagree with him on almost everything but have the utmost respect for him. |  | | |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 12:03 - Jul 9 with 1126 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 11:11 - Jul 9 by Swansea_Blue |
That's true. And Newsnight have been too in fairness. Mainstream BBC news (at the time before Ross took off) was woefully lacking though. You'd never have had items like this whilst they were primarily acting as the press arm of No 10. "A number 10 spokesperson tells us... [insert daily government message]".
To be generous they were at best cautious. At worse they were complicit it uncritical propagation of government propaganda. |
I have been consistently critical of Laura Kuenssberg and her fawning over Boris. She HATED Corbyn. As you say the "party spokesperson says" bit is used frequently, but more insidious is the way LK speaks almost in brackets by dropping her voice and rushing bits, whilst highlighting others. In particular she used "Blah blah Tory line Tory Line (brackets rushed "of course Labour would say...") Tory line Tory line Tory line." with incredible frequency on programmes like Politics Live.
Another one was "Of course this is all very interesting in the Wdstmimster village but I'm not sure how much it matters to the public" to minimise stuff. Basically the key deflection as used by Boris and his cronies, and uncritically parroted by LK. | | | |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 12:09 - Jul 9 with 1111 views | jaykay |
straight out of the trump school of bullsh!t |  |
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 12:10 - Jul 9 with 1110 views | wrightsrightglove |
Apparently it’s Carrie’s fault 
Absolute scumbag of a man, completely unfit for office, or for anything really. The sooner he’s gone along with all the people who supported him and allowed him to get away with the lies and the corruption the better! | | | |
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 12:17 - Jul 9 with 1090 views | Darth_Koont |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 12:03 - Jul 9 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I have been consistently critical of Laura Kuenssberg and her fawning over Boris. She HATED Corbyn. As you say the "party spokesperson says" bit is used frequently, but more insidious is the way LK speaks almost in brackets by dropping her voice and rushing bits, whilst highlighting others. In particular she used "Blah blah Tory line Tory Line (brackets rushed "of course Labour would say...") Tory line Tory line Tory line." with incredible frequency on programmes like Politics Live.
Another one was "Of course this is all very interesting in the Wdstmimster village but I'm not sure how much it matters to the public" to minimise stuff. Basically the key deflection as used by Boris and his cronies, and uncritically parroted by LK. |
Quite agree.
LK, Neil, Marr, Peston and seemingly all the other lobby journals and heavyweight pundits have been collectively awful for years. They've effectively been singing lullabies to keep us sleepwalking to where we are now.
The way this lot turned on Johnson and the Tories eventually and only very recently because they knew that the electorate/viewers were waking up was nauseating.
LK is the absolute archetype though. Absolutely dire and wildly anti-democratic to boot. |  |
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 18:51 - Jul 9 with 930 views | mylittletown |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 12:17 - Jul 9 by Darth_Koont |
Quite agree.
LK, Neil, Marr, Peston and seemingly all the other lobby journals and heavyweight pundits have been collectively awful for years. They've effectively been singing lullabies to keep us sleepwalking to where we are now.
The way this lot turned on Johnson and the Tories eventually and only very recently because they knew that the electorate/viewers were waking up was nauseating.
LK is the absolute archetype though. Absolutely dire and wildly anti-democratic to boot. |
I completely agree that LK was dreadful, and did a lot damage to the BBC.
However, even left wing Labour members among my friends, who actually met him, tell me that Corbyn is thick, self-centred and boring, so it is perhaps not surprising that he lacked appeal to journos. | | | |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 22:14 - Jul 9 with 859 views | Darth_Koont |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 18:51 - Jul 9 by mylittletown |
I completely agree that LK was dreadful, and did a lot damage to the BBC.
However, even left wing Labour members among my friends, who actually met him, tell me that Corbyn is thick, self-centred and boring, so it is perhaps not surprising that he lacked appeal to journos. |
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 22:51 - Jul 9 with 842 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 18:51 - Jul 9 by mylittletown |
I completely agree that LK was dreadful, and did a lot damage to the BBC.
However, even left wing Labour members among my friends, who actually met him, tell me that Corbyn is thick, self-centred and boring, so it is perhaps not surprising that he lacked appeal to journos. |
Should "appeal to journalists" be the benchmark for journalists to report impartially? Your assertion seems to imply that if a journalist takes a (perhaps reasonable) dislike to an individual, it makes it OK to introduce major political bias in their reporting relating to national politics. Utterly indefensible, |  |
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| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 00:27 - Jul 11 with 668 views | mylittletown |
| Just to sign-off and put a line under the Boris and post-truth debates of the… on 22:51 - Jul 9 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Should "appeal to journalists" be the benchmark for journalists to report impartially? Your assertion seems to imply that if a journalist takes a (perhaps reasonable) dislike to an individual, it makes it OK to introduce major political bias in their reporting relating to national politics. Utterly indefensible, |
I said he lacked appeal to journalists. You extrapolated. | | | |
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