| London commuters.... on 09:04 - Oct 17 with 4139 views | artsbossbeard |
| London commuters.... on 09:00 - Oct 17 by footers |
I understand the frustration it may cause some people but tbf the future of the planet is probably more important than being a bit late on one day.
If governments had taken greater action before then maybe this wouldn't need to happen. But they didn't
If you want to be angry at people, may I suggest the complacent politicians who've done nothing or the crooked ones taking backhanders from fossil fuel companines instead of people taking action to save the planet? |
Me being late for an appointment in London is par for course.
What about chaps & chappettes on zero hour contracts, nurses (maybe even environmentally aware doctors), fireman etc, etc.
I just don't understand how the tube is seen as a target for demonstration.
Stand in the middle of the M25 or the road into Dover if you want to make a proper statement. |  |
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| London commuters.... on 09:07 - Oct 17 with 4121 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| London commuters.... on 09:04 - Oct 17 by artsbossbeard |
Me being late for an appointment in London is par for course.
What about chaps & chappettes on zero hour contracts, nurses (maybe even environmentally aware doctors), fireman etc, etc.
I just don't understand how the tube is seen as a target for demonstration.
Stand in the middle of the M25 or the road into Dover if you want to make a proper statement. |
....because nurses and firepeople and doctors don't use the M25! |  |
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| London commuters.... on 09:09 - Oct 17 with 4113 views | footers |
| London commuters.... on 09:04 - Oct 17 by artsbossbeard |
Me being late for an appointment in London is par for course.
What about chaps & chappettes on zero hour contracts, nurses (maybe even environmentally aware doctors), fireman etc, etc.
I just don't understand how the tube is seen as a target for demonstration.
Stand in the middle of the M25 or the road into Dover if you want to make a proper statement. |
I can't speak on the specifics of this incident, but the protests outside our gaff were against those in the City making coin from the environmental catastrophe. Not too many regular bods round this way! |  |
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| London commuters.... on 09:09 - Oct 17 with 4112 views | allezlesbleus |
I'd love to see how quickly they would move if the train started to move off...…….. |  | | |
| London commuters.... on 09:11 - Oct 17 with 4105 views | SWGF |
| London commuters.... on 08:52 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
They are disrupting that too though. |
ABB referred to that train.
Edit: I will defer to the fact that two other XR bods glued their hands to an electric DLR train, in a separate incident. [Post edited 17 Oct 2019 9:20]
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| London commuters.... on 09:11 - Oct 17 with 4098 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| London commuters.... on 09:09 - Oct 17 by allezlesbleus |
I'd love to see how quickly they would move if the train started to move off...…….. |
Not very if glued on!
Edit....well the speed of the train I guess. [Post edited 17 Oct 2019 9:18]
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| London commuters.... on 09:19 - Oct 17 with 4077 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| London commuters.... on 09:00 - Oct 17 by footers |
I understand the frustration it may cause some people but tbf the future of the planet is probably more important than being a bit late on one day.
If governments had taken greater action before then maybe this wouldn't need to happen. But they didn't
If you want to be angry at people, may I suggest the complacent politicians who've done nothing or the crooked ones taking backhanders from fossil fuel companines instead of people taking action to save the planet? |
No ones really argued about the planet point in this thread though, just pointed out that stopping people using public transport to get to work is somewhat self-defeating, not to mention unlikely to get anyone onside
Thought you’d have been able to see that fairly easily given the view you must have up there on your 20ft high horse |  |
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| London commuters.... on 09:21 - Oct 17 with 4064 views | giant_stow |
| London commuters.... on 08:38 - Oct 17 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Not if they are off to the City to trade in environmental destruction. |
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| London commuters.... on 09:23 - Oct 17 with 4052 views | giant_stow |
They might be cleaners, shop workers, security or admin for any number of companies, all of which will get in sh1t for being late. We don't all have the luxury of pottering around the countryside for a living. | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:24 - Oct 17 with 4046 views | hampstead_blue |
| London commuters.... on 09:00 - Oct 17 by footers |
I understand the frustration it may cause some people but tbf the future of the planet is probably more important than being a bit late on one day.
If governments had taken greater action before then maybe this wouldn't need to happen. But they didn't
If you want to be angry at people, may I suggest the complacent politicians who've done nothing or the crooked ones taking backhanders from fossil fuel companines instead of people taking action to save the planet? |
there sits the moral dilema in protest and striking.
Who suffers in the short term for the potential long term gain?
I'm with XR but feel they should focus more on causing a kerfuffle around the HoP.
They have done a few very peaceful walks up and down Marlborough High street and got a round of applause. |  |
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| London commuters.... on 09:25 - Oct 17 with 4041 views | footers |
| London commuters.... on 09:19 - Oct 17 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No ones really argued about the planet point in this thread though, just pointed out that stopping people using public transport to get to work is somewhat self-defeating, not to mention unlikely to get anyone onside
Thought you’d have been able to see that fairly easily given the view you must have up there on your 20ft high horse |
Oooh handbags! What's the matter, petal?
Peaceful, non-disruptive protest has achieved nothing for decades. Now more serious action has to be taken, to create headlines, awareness and spur real political change.
If people aren't already 'onside' then they're part of the problem. Until the next Attenborough doc comes out, of course. | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:27 - Oct 17 with 4026 views | giant_stow |
| London commuters.... on 09:04 - Oct 17 by artsbossbeard |
Me being late for an appointment in London is par for course.
What about chaps & chappettes on zero hour contracts, nurses (maybe even environmentally aware doctors), fireman etc, etc.
I just don't understand how the tube is seen as a target for demonstration.
Stand in the middle of the M25 or the road into Dover if you want to make a proper statement. |
Oops hadn't read your post, sorry for the duplication.
Why attack the tube? It's a symbol of getting something right. | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:28 - Oct 17 with 4016 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| London commuters.... on 09:23 - Oct 17 by giant_stow |
They might be cleaners, shop workers, security or admin for any number of companies, all of which will get in sh1t for being late. We don't all have the luxury of pottering around the countryside for a living. |
And obviously their fair and wealthy employers will pay them regardless....so happy days.....
....now excuse me I have some pottering to do....an extra finger or two would come in handy thinking about it! | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:32 - Oct 17 with 3998 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| London commuters.... on 09:25 - Oct 17 by footers |
Oooh handbags! What's the matter, petal?
Peaceful, non-disruptive protest has achieved nothing for decades. Now more serious action has to be taken, to create headlines, awareness and spur real political change.
If people aren't already 'onside' then they're part of the problem. Until the next Attenborough doc comes out, of course. |
Can you please explain how targeting people using public transport is helpful, giving that one of the most achievable and obvious solutions in the short term is to encourage people to use err, public transport? | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:33 - Oct 17 with 3994 views | factual_blue |
| London commuters.... on 09:25 - Oct 17 by footers |
Oooh handbags! What's the matter, petal?
Peaceful, non-disruptive protest has achieved nothing for decades. Now more serious action has to be taken, to create headlines, awareness and spur real political change.
If people aren't already 'onside' then they're part of the problem. Until the next Attenborough doc comes out, of course. |
Although too many people think (in my opinion) that they make their contribution to dealing with climate issues by watching Lord Attenborough's documentaries. |  |
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| London commuters.... on 09:35 - Oct 17 with 3984 views | factual_blue |
| London commuters.... on 09:23 - Oct 17 by giant_stow |
They might be cleaners, shop workers, security or admin for any number of companies, all of which will get in sh1t for being late. We don't all have the luxury of pottering around the countryside for a living. |
Excuse me. I don't have to potter around anywhere for a living.
If I chose to do so, I could sit on the sofa all day and the money would keep rolling in.
Can't stop - I'm off to go swimming shortly. | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:35 - Oct 17 with 3981 views | footers |
| London commuters.... on 09:32 - Oct 17 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Can you please explain how targeting people using public transport is helpful, giving that one of the most achievable and obvious solutions in the short term is to encourage people to use err, public transport? |
Sure. Creating disruption creates headlines. Political change is only forced through the media. Sad but true. The longer something is kept on the news agenda the more likely it is to change.
Happy to help. | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:36 - Oct 17 with 3975 views | allezlesbleus |
| London commuters.... on 09:25 - Oct 17 by footers |
Oooh handbags! What's the matter, petal?
Peaceful, non-disruptive protest has achieved nothing for decades. Now more serious action has to be taken, to create headlines, awareness and spur real political change.
If people aren't already 'onside' then they're part of the problem. Until the next Attenborough doc comes out, of course. |
In France, protestors have been known to brick up the entrances to local tax offices or dump piles of manure outside the entrances to government offices.
Local tradesmen, farmers and council workers etc then refuse to remove the offending items. It makes the news, proves a point and doesn't disrupt or alienate the general public.
Another widescale show of protest in France is to put speed cameras out of action, either by destroying them with fire, spraypainting over the camera or simply attaching bin bags over the camera. Again, this doesn't hinder the average person, but, as it costs the government a substantial amount of money, they quickly take note and try to pacify the protestors.
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| London commuters.... on 09:37 - Oct 17 with 3970 views | Swansea_Blue |
"Police hit out at protesters for "dangerously obstructing" the Jubilee Line and DLR services by climbing on top of carriages or gluing themselves on trains."
Maybe the signs warning them not to weren't big enough 
The state of that baying mob. What a mess we're in. |  |
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| London commuters.... on 09:39 - Oct 17 with 3958 views | giant_stow |
| London commuters.... on 09:25 - Oct 17 by footers |
Oooh handbags! What's the matter, petal?
Peaceful, non-disruptive protest has achieved nothing for decades. Now more serious action has to be taken, to create headlines, awareness and spur real political change.
If people aren't already 'onside' then they're part of the problem. Until the next Attenborough doc comes out, of course. |
Attacking the people you need to persuade is just dim and counter-productive, especially when they're on public transport. [Post edited 17 Oct 2019 9:41]
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| London commuters.... on 09:39 - Oct 17 with 3957 views | footers |
| London commuters.... on 09:36 - Oct 17 by allezlesbleus |
In France, protestors have been known to brick up the entrances to local tax offices or dump piles of manure outside the entrances to government offices.
Local tradesmen, farmers and council workers etc then refuse to remove the offending items. It makes the news, proves a point and doesn't disrupt or alienate the general public.
Another widescale show of protest in France is to put speed cameras out of action, either by destroying them with fire, spraypainting over the camera or simply attaching bin bags over the camera. Again, this doesn't hinder the average person, but, as it costs the government a substantial amount of money, they quickly take note and try to pacify the protestors.
* I'm not condoning vandalism |
What about the poor people who work in those offices, eh? Or the people who have to clean it up? | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:42 - Oct 17 with 3936 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| London commuters.... on 09:37 - Oct 17 by Swansea_Blue |
"Police hit out at protesters for "dangerously obstructing" the Jubilee Line and DLR services by climbing on top of carriages or gluing themselves on trains."
Maybe the signs warning them not to weren't big enough
The state of that baying mob. What a mess we're in. |
As I said ....stressy lot aren't they. | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:43 - Oct 17 with 3933 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| London commuters.... on 09:39 - Oct 17 by giant_stow |
Attacking the people you need to persuade is just dim and counter-productive, especially when they're on public transport. [Post edited 17 Oct 2019 9:41]
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Tell that to those violent commuters. | |
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| London commuters.... on 09:44 - Oct 17 with 3930 views | Sarge |
| London commuters.... on 09:39 - Oct 17 by giant_stow |
Attacking the people you need to persuade is just dim and counter-productive, especially when they're on public transport. [Post edited 17 Oct 2019 9:41]
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I don’t even think you need to persuade them, I’d imagine pretty much everyone in London is on board with fighting climate change. Especially as they’re on public transport. A bizarre and short sighted target. |  | | |
| London commuters.... on 09:44 - Oct 17 with 3919 views | giant_stow |
| London commuters.... on 09:39 - Oct 17 by footers |
What about the poor people who work in those offices, eh? Or the people who have to clean it up? |
Punching down isn't a great way to win over the masses. Or is this just another exercise in self-fulfillment, rather than actually achieving change? | |
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