| Any uni students feeling hard done by? 09:24 - Sep 8 with 12498 views | giant_stow |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-54025181
My niece is wondering why she gets to pay 9 grand for online only too. Apparently her Uni has sent her an email pleading poverty as an explanation of why there'll be no fees reduction, but that doesn't wash when each year puts you 9 grand further into debt, aged 19. |  |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 13:05 - Sep 16 with 2834 views | oncebluealwaysblue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 11:22 - Sep 16 by jaseitfc2015 |
I believe all school age kids & current uni students should get some sort of waiver to their higher education, the damage done by covid to their progression is career changing. |
'Career changing' might be a bit of an over reaction, don't you think? |  | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 15:23 - Sep 16 with 2808 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 13:05 - Sep 16 by oncebluealwaysblue |
'Career changing' might be a bit of an over reaction, don't you think? |
Not at all , at that age or younger a disruption like this for a sustained amount of time can have a huge impact, & thats not even factoring in the possibility their parents may also lose their jobs & ability to support them. |  | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 15:49 - Sep 16 with 2786 views | oncebluealwaysblue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 15:23 - Sep 16 by jaseitfc2015 |
Not at all , at that age or younger a disruption like this for a sustained amount of time can have a huge impact, & thats not even factoring in the possibility their parents may also lose their jobs & ability to support them. |
'can' have a huge impact.
For many it will not. For most students, of all ages, they will have continued to do studying from home, albeit I'm sure they were a little bit more relaxed about it than in a classroom.
Worth remembering that everyone is effected by Covid, so it's not like it's a set group/minority that will have their futurues impacted. When going for a job in 10 years time, I don't think any emplyer is going to turn around and ask "How did you handle the 2020 pandemic?" | | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 16:01 - Sep 16 with 2761 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 15:49 - Sep 16 by oncebluealwaysblue |
'can' have a huge impact.
For many it will not. For most students, of all ages, they will have continued to do studying from home, albeit I'm sure they were a little bit more relaxed about it than in a classroom.
Worth remembering that everyone is effected by Covid, so it's not like it's a set group/minority that will have their futurues impacted. When going for a job in 10 years time, I don't think any emplyer is going to turn around and ask "How did you handle the 2020 pandemic?" |
I'm siding with the students on this one, give them a break pal | | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 16:07 - Sep 16 with 2750 views | oncebluealwaysblue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 16:01 - Sep 16 by jaseitfc2015 |
I'm siding with the students on this one, give them a break pal |
Of course it's not ideal, but nothing is in 2020.
What they have now doesn't differ much to what I had in my uni days (2012-2016), being that I had minimal contact hours for a stupid amount of money. You're supposed to spend more time studying outside of the lecture theatre than you are in it. So really it's no different for them, and I struggle to have much sympathy.
Student life however, I sympthise that they've had that robbed from them, 100%. But it is what is, we've all lost out to Covid in one way or another. | | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 16:28 - Sep 16 with 2733 views | jaseitfc2015 |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 16:07 - Sep 16 by oncebluealwaysblue |
Of course it's not ideal, but nothing is in 2020.
What they have now doesn't differ much to what I had in my uni days (2012-2016), being that I had minimal contact hours for a stupid amount of money. You're supposed to spend more time studying outside of the lecture theatre than you are in it. So really it's no different for them, and I struggle to have much sympathy.
Student life however, I sympthise that they've had that robbed from them, 100%. But it is what is, we've all lost out to Covid in one way or another. |
then let's get the cheque book out | | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 18:39 - Sep 16 with 2710 views | gordon |
Bit harsh!
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/sep/16/cambridge-college-threatens-to
Trinity’s contract, described as a “Covid-19 student community statement”, instructs students to “bring only the minimum amount of belongings that you require, primarily for academic purposes and basic living standards”. It warns that they “must have prepared travel plans to leave college accommodation, at your expense, at very short notice and at any time unless you have been granted permission to stay”. [Post edited 16 Sep 2020 18:44]
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 21:00 - Sep 16 with 2684 views | tractordownsouth |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 11:16 - Sep 16 by dickie |
If most people don't end up paying it off before 30 years is up (which is apparently likely to be the case) who pays for it? |
I'm aware the government pays for it. The way to stop that is for more high paid jobs to be created. |  |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 14:10 - Sep 25 with 2586 views | Swansea_Blue |
Impossible to keep everyone happy. Some people complaining that Universities are online only, and yet we now also have others complaining when they get to the Uni and find out measures have been put in place to try to keep them safe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54292728 |  |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 14:22 - Sep 25 with 2575 views | gordon |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 14:10 - Sep 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Impossible to keep everyone happy. Some people complaining that Universities are online only, and yet we now also have others complaining when they get to the Uni and find out measures have been put in place to try to keep them safe.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54292728 |
Not sure this is entirely fair! University students have been misled on a massive scale in a way that could have severe consequences for their physical and mental wellbeing. I'm not aware of any universities where they chose to prioritise student welfare and closed student accommodation and offered online learning only, bit if there are and people are complaining about this they are obviously wrong to do so. | | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 14:55 - Sep 25 with 2559 views | hampstead_blue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 16:01 - Sep 16 by jaseitfc2015 |
I'm siding with the students on this one, give them a break pal |
Young people are better set to ride the volatility.
It's a life lesson. If you start throwing money at them every time something disrupts their lives then you are going to be bankrupt in 5 minutes.
We all have to work with what we have. Young people are no different. |  |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 18:55 - Sep 25 with 2521 views | 26_Paz |
To be honest the higher education sector needs a massive overhaul ... students pay these huge fees for in many cases a handful of contact hours a week. When I was at uni (before top up fees) I had 9 hours a week taught ... I begrudged paying £1,500 a year for 9 hours a week ... £9k is just a joke ... |  |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 19:24 - Sep 25 with 2517 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 14:22 - Sep 25 by gordon |
Not sure this is entirely fair! University students have been misled on a massive scale in a way that could have severe consequences for their physical and mental wellbeing. I'm not aware of any universities where they chose to prioritise student welfare and closed student accommodation and offered online learning only, bit if there are and people are complaining about this they are obviously wrong to do so. |
Misled? I don't think I can agree with that from my own experience. Students have been informed throughout, with universities having been in regular contact with this year's intake since January. The level of that communication will depend on the uni though, and sometimes even between departments in the same uni..
I'm not aware of any unis that have gone solely online (some have gone online until January). But welfare includes other considerations than covid. This was part of my point in my previous post. Some students were complaining when they thought they may not be able to come back to university. We've done surveys here and the majority want to be at the uni and having group sessions.
With that in mind (not that student feedback is the only driver - of course money is behind a lot of the decisions), Universities have worked incredibly hard to provide safe learning environments that has involved physical infrastructure changes and a huge overhaul to how courses are taught, all with student safety in mind. All of the decisions that have been made have been taken in consultation with the govt education department, at least here in Wales. That's meant lecturers working overtime to rehash all their teaching materials (my Mr hasn't finished work before 1.30 am any day this week, for example, and midnight finishes have been normal for a couple on months now).
It's complex and multi-layered. A lot of students want to be in the uni environment and not WFH; unis need the money as there's no support from the government; unis have done what they can given the circumstances to make safe safe teaching environment; some staff/students are happy with that, some think they should be closed/online only.
In the absence of financial support people are trying to do their best to balance safety with things like job losses. It sucks, but that's where they are. | |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 21:00 - Sep 25 with 2490 views | stonojnr |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 09:41 - Sep 8 by giant_stow |
I hope this is something that can be redressed in time, perhaps when the dust settles. The article mentions there being many more students to cater for as a result of the A-levels fix, so why can't that extra income (in institutions where it exists) be used to reduce fees? Surely a zoom class can be taught be one tutor to 15 students or 25 just as easily? And what about basic fairness of getting what you paid for?
Just seems like yet another example of the young being screwed by older generations. |
older generations would then like to point out, they left school at 16 and got a job... | | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 23:09 - Sep 25 with 2474 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 21:00 - Sep 25 by stonojnr |
older generations would then like to point out, they left school at 16 and got a job... |
They could’ve gone to university if they wished though so I fail to see your point. Wouldn’t have 9k a year for the degree back then either. |  |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 03:59 - Sep 26 with 2456 views | jeera |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 23:09 - Sep 25 by The_Romford_Blue |
They could’ve gone to university if they wished though so I fail to see your point. Wouldn’t have 9k a year for the degree back then either. |
You are so clueless you have no idea.
Those options didn't exist for the majority. Once again, making comments on things you know feck-all about.
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 05:33 - Sep 26 with 2446 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 03:59 - Sep 26 by jeera |
You are so clueless you have no idea.
Those options didn't exist for the majority. Once again, making comments on things you know feck-all about.
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Jeera seriously can you just put me on ignore please.
Any opinion that I have and you disagree with and you become abusive. I reckon that’s the 5th time this week you’ve told me I know ‘f**k all’. It’s the internet. We don’t have to agree but do it with some respect please. If not, that’s fine too but you won’t be getting a rise out of me. The rest of the forum can see exactly what you’re doing. Play the ball not the man.
Edit - And whilst I remember.. I saw you mention earlier today on here that you think I’ve done loads of ‘me me me’ posts lately. I can only assume from that you’re referring to this thread from 3 weeks ago which wasn’t even started by me and was actually addressed to Students anyway... or as I expect, the ‘This Briefing’ thread from earlier in the week which changed from being about the COVID briefing to being about my deteriorating mental health. If that qualifies as too much ‘me me me’ in your eyes, I think that shows you up rather than me. I think I’ve made my point. [Post edited 26 Sep 2020 5:55]
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 08:37 - Sep 26 with 2392 views | hampstead_blue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 21:00 - Sep 16 by tractordownsouth |
I'm aware the government pays for it. The way to stop that is for more high paid jobs to be created. |
I thought the debt's were sold by the Government to get it off the books?
They are bought by private companies I think in the same way other debt is bought/sold.
I may be wrong. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 09:19 - Sep 26 with 2383 views | gordon |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 19:24 - Sep 25 by Swansea_Blue |
Misled? I don't think I can agree with that from my own experience. Students have been informed throughout, with universities having been in regular contact with this year's intake since January. The level of that communication will depend on the uni though, and sometimes even between departments in the same uni..
I'm not aware of any unis that have gone solely online (some have gone online until January). But welfare includes other considerations than covid. This was part of my point in my previous post. Some students were complaining when they thought they may not be able to come back to university. We've done surveys here and the majority want to be at the uni and having group sessions.
With that in mind (not that student feedback is the only driver - of course money is behind a lot of the decisions), Universities have worked incredibly hard to provide safe learning environments that has involved physical infrastructure changes and a huge overhaul to how courses are taught, all with student safety in mind. All of the decisions that have been made have been taken in consultation with the govt education department, at least here in Wales. That's meant lecturers working overtime to rehash all their teaching materials (my Mr hasn't finished work before 1.30 am any day this week, for example, and midnight finishes have been normal for a couple on months now).
It's complex and multi-layered. A lot of students want to be in the uni environment and not WFH; unis need the money as there's no support from the government; unis have done what they can given the circumstances to make safe safe teaching environment; some staff/students are happy with that, some think they should be closed/online only.
In the absence of financial support people are trying to do their best to balance safety with things like job losses. It sucks, but that's where they are. |
I'm not aware of any universities where students were made aware that they would likely be made to self-isolate for large parts of their first semester, would be subject to pretty severe restrictions on their ability to socialise, and might not be told to stay in their halls over Christmas.
The fact that the businesses would be insolvent in the absence of getting students into halls doesn't amount to anything close to an acceptable defense against what universities are doing, and legally it's effectively irrelevant - if my business is about to go under, this doesn't mean I can commit fraud.
I work at a university, and have enormous sympathy for staff who are having to bear the brunt of what's going on, but the decision making at VC / Russell Group / Universities UK / ministerial level etc has been abhorrent. [Post edited 26 Sep 2020 9:19]
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 10:41 - Sep 26 with 2362 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 09:19 - Sep 26 by gordon |
I'm not aware of any universities where students were made aware that they would likely be made to self-isolate for large parts of their first semester, would be subject to pretty severe restrictions on their ability to socialise, and might not be told to stay in their halls over Christmas.
The fact that the businesses would be insolvent in the absence of getting students into halls doesn't amount to anything close to an acceptable defense against what universities are doing, and legally it's effectively irrelevant - if my business is about to go under, this doesn't mean I can commit fraud.
I work at a university, and have enormous sympathy for staff who are having to bear the brunt of what's going on, but the decision making at VC / Russell Group / Universities UK / ministerial level etc has been abhorrent. [Post edited 26 Sep 2020 9:19]
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Uni students would have to be pretty daft to think that another lockdown wouldn't apply to them. Personally I don't think they should have gone back, but this just mirrors the larger virus v economy debate. In the absence of safety nets people have to try to get on with business as close to usual as they can. I'd much rather there was a govt rescue plan in place and all teaching was online, even if that would have faced pushback from the students who wanted to come back. Plans may well change anyway; unis have got a range of response levels to this, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them starting to change approach. | |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 10:58 - Sep 26 with 2353 views | gordon |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 10:41 - Sep 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Uni students would have to be pretty daft to think that another lockdown wouldn't apply to them. Personally I don't think they should have gone back, but this just mirrors the larger virus v economy debate. In the absence of safety nets people have to try to get on with business as close to usual as they can. I'd much rather there was a govt rescue plan in place and all teaching was online, even if that would have faced pushback from the students who wanted to come back. Plans may well change anyway; unis have got a range of response levels to this, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them starting to change approach. |
The point is that Uni students weren't told that they would be subject to lockdowns that wouldn't apply to anyone else, though. | | | |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 12:05 - Sep 26 with 2334 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 10:58 - Sep 26 by gordon |
The point is that Uni students weren't told that they would be subject to lockdowns that wouldn't apply to anyone else, though. |
I'm not sure tbh. We were telling our that we'd have to adhere to any local or national lockdown rules. So are you saying that students are being told to lockdown when local/national lockdowns aren't in place? That would be wrong.
It's a mess, no denying that. The annoying thing is that the autumn surge in cases was predictable, so I hope universities (and schools) are seriously considering a tightening of their procedures. Everything should be online where it can be imo, and then once cases drop again they go back to face-to-face. That opens other issues around vulnerable kids & students and those from families without resources to learn from home. But there are solutions to those problems. | |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 18:57 - Sep 26 with 2304 views | giant_stow |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 09:19 - Sep 26 by gordon |
I'm not aware of any universities where students were made aware that they would likely be made to self-isolate for large parts of their first semester, would be subject to pretty severe restrictions on their ability to socialise, and might not be told to stay in their halls over Christmas.
The fact that the businesses would be insolvent in the absence of getting students into halls doesn't amount to anything close to an acceptable defense against what universities are doing, and legally it's effectively irrelevant - if my business is about to go under, this doesn't mean I can commit fraud.
I work at a university, and have enormous sympathy for staff who are having to bear the brunt of what's going on, but the decision making at VC / Russell Group / Universities UK / ministerial level etc has been abhorrent. [Post edited 26 Sep 2020 9:19]
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Looking at the news today of some students been basically held captive by uni security is bizzarre. Who else in the population has a guard on their front door, bar prisoners? The treatment of students in all of this could become a major thing pretty soon i reckon. | |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 19:25 - Sep 26 with 2278 views | CBBlue |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 18:57 - Sep 26 by giant_stow |
Looking at the news today of some students been basically held captive by uni security is bizzarre. Who else in the population has a guard on their front door, bar prisoners? The treatment of students in all of this could become a major thing pretty soon i reckon. |
I found that really alarming. It sounds like they're not being given much support either which I hope changes - most of those 18 year olds haven't had to live alone before (without mum+dad) so are probably completely ill-prepared for a lockdown situation regarding food etc let alone the loneliness. | |
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| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 19:29 - Sep 26 with 2273 views | brazil1982 |
| Any uni students feeling hard done by? on 18:57 - Sep 26 by giant_stow |
Looking at the news today of some students been basically held captive by uni security is bizzarre. Who else in the population has a guard on their front door, bar prisoners? The treatment of students in all of this could become a major thing pretty soon i reckon. |
It's illegal and has to stop, ridiculous to treat students like this. |  | | |
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