| Including JC himself. (n/t) on 16:33 - Dec 24 with 1610 views | Ftnfwest |
| Including JC himself. (n/t) on 14:45 - Dec 24 by Bloots |
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What’s Corbyn got to do with this? |  | |  |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 16:35 - Dec 24 with 1603 views | Ftnfwest |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 13:54 - Dec 24 by ZXBlue |
We don't even know if he existed tbh, let alone his political leanings. |
Steady, that’s bordering on freedom of expression | | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 16:44 - Dec 24 with 1591 views | Darth_Koont |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 16:24 - Dec 24 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
A choice of two wealthy populist bigots. Neither of the above please ! |
Yeah, in your brain.
Merry Christmas, you silly sausage. |  |
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 16:47 - Dec 24 with 1572 views | monytowbray |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 16:44 - Dec 24 by Darth_Koont |
Yeah, in your brain.
Merry Christmas, you silly sausage. |
JEREMY CORBYN IS THE ESTABLISHMENT, they screamed between a gleefully taking a mouthful of leather shoes. |  |
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 17:14 - Dec 24 with 1519 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 14:33 - Dec 24 by Darth_Koont |
Corbyn is Jesus AND Santa.
Betrayed by his erstwhile colleagues and Coca-Cola commercialism. 😂 |
Father Christmas was a Palestinian and if he was alive today he would have been living under Israeli occupation. Frosty the Snowman was also a Palestinian. Building snowmen is a Palestinian tradition that has been appropriated by Zionists. |  |
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 17:17 - Dec 24 with 1506 views | mylittletown |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 17:14 - Dec 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Father Christmas was a Palestinian and if he was alive today he would have been living under Israeli occupation. Frosty the Snowman was also a Palestinian. Building snowmen is a Palestinian tradition that has been appropriated by Zionists. |
Actually, I think that you will find that he was an ethnic Greek from modern day Turkey.
I am sure that you are spot on about Frosty, though. |  | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 18:12 - Dec 24 with 1444 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
I'm not a big fan of Boris, but it's possible that he might be on to something here.
There are very significant numbers of non-White Christians in the UK. The largest church congregation in the UK is a Nigerian led church. Many of the Black-led churches are Pentecostalist in theology and have a "faith healing" ministry at the heart of their worship and practice. Which in turn may be connected with vaccine scepticism. See, for example, this recent story:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10337875/God-protects-virus-Words-churc
So, if vaccine penetration is poor amongst Black British people, a significant percentage of those are of Christian heritage or practice, and this message may resonate with them.
Most Christians aren't white, world-wide, and that is mirrored in an ethnically diverse nation like the UK. |  | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 18:16 - Dec 24 with 1434 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 13:54 - Dec 24 by ZXBlue |
We don't even know if he existed tbh, let alone his political leanings. |
You may not, but anybody who has studied Christian Origins or the New Testament at University does.
There is an old trope amongst Evangelical Christians that "there is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than for Julius Caesar". I wouldn't put it like that myself, the evidence is very different, but anyone doubting that an itinerant Rabbi called Jesus lived in 1st Century Palestine and led a group of followers who became the Early Church is arguing against an absolute mountain of evidence. | | | |
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 18:36 - Dec 24 with 1424 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 18:16 - Dec 24 by ArnoldMoorhen |
You may not, but anybody who has studied Christian Origins or the New Testament at University does.
There is an old trope amongst Evangelical Christians that "there is more evidence for the existence of Jesus than for Julius Caesar". I wouldn't put it like that myself, the evidence is very different, but anyone doubting that an itinerant Rabbi called Jesus lived in 1st Century Palestine and led a group of followers who became the Early Church is arguing against an absolute mountain of evidence. |
I’m pretty certain that he lived in Judea. There was no such region as Palestine in the 1st century.
The term originated from Syria Palaestina, a name given to Judea by the Romans and after they suppressed and drove the Jews out of the region.
Merry Christmas. [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 18:37]
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 18:53 - Dec 24 with 1394 views | leitrimblue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 14:26 - Dec 24 by ZXBlue |
There is no clear evidence. That is just inaccurate.
We simply don't know with any certainty either way. Comments decades or even a century later, once a relgion had formed and people had formed certain beliefs, really arent evidence.
Your quote is from an entirely biased source! |
You believe in the existence of Boudicca, Caeser or Cleopatra? Personally I refuse to believe that the Romans are non mythical. Never seen any real proof of their existence |  | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 19:53 - Dec 24 with 1335 views | ZXBlue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 18:53 - Dec 24 by leitrimblue |
You believe in the existence of Boudicca, Caeser or Cleopatra? Personally I refuse to believe that the Romans are non mythical. Never seen any real proof of their existence |
Simply not accurate. There is sound evidence, documentary evidence for those. | | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 19:58 - Dec 24 with 1331 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 19:53 - Dec 24 by ZXBlue |
Simply not accurate. There is sound evidence, documentary evidence for those. |
As there is for Jesus, much as you want to dismiss it. |  |
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:07 - Dec 24 with 1316 views | leitrimblue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 19:53 - Dec 24 by ZXBlue |
Simply not accurate. There is sound evidence, documentary evidence for those. |
Prove Boudiccas existence to me | | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:12 - Dec 24 with 1307 views | ZXBlue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:07 - Dec 24 by leitrimblue |
Prove Boudiccas existence to me |
Why? It says nothing about the evidence for jesus.
Its not a subject I have investigated, nor a position I have an informed view on.
A quick google does reveal, very quickly, important stuff though. For instance "A key reason, surely a very strong one, for “not doubting” the Roman accounts is that the first historian to leave us a record, Tacitus, was a young boy at the time of Boudicca’s rebellion; but more significantly, his father-in-law was a governor in Britannia after the rebellion was crushed so would have had knowledge of the events and have been able to inform Tacitus"
However, as far as I am aware, the evidence is inconclusive. Your comment about romans is absurd, given the level of archaeological material and documentary material about the roman empire... [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 20:13]
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:21 - Dec 24 with 1295 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:12 - Dec 24 by ZXBlue |
Why? It says nothing about the evidence for jesus.
Its not a subject I have investigated, nor a position I have an informed view on.
A quick google does reveal, very quickly, important stuff though. For instance "A key reason, surely a very strong one, for “not doubting” the Roman accounts is that the first historian to leave us a record, Tacitus, was a young boy at the time of Boudicca’s rebellion; but more significantly, his father-in-law was a governor in Britannia after the rebellion was crushed so would have had knowledge of the events and have been able to inform Tacitus"
However, as far as I am aware, the evidence is inconclusive. Your comment about romans is absurd, given the level of archaeological material and documentary material about the roman empire... [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 20:13]
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And yet you dismiss the equally valid evidence for the existence of Jesus. That is the point. | |
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:25 - Dec 24 with 1290 views | ZXBlue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:21 - Dec 24 by Nthsuffolkblue |
And yet you dismiss the equally valid evidence for the existence of Jesus. That is the point. |
No. I have just said its inconclusive, despite being better than the evidence for jesus, because the person who wrote about it was actually around at the time and connected to it.
That's the point. [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 20:25]
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| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:40 - Dec 24 with 1269 views | leitrimblue |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:12 - Dec 24 by ZXBlue |
Why? It says nothing about the evidence for jesus.
Its not a subject I have investigated, nor a position I have an informed view on.
A quick google does reveal, very quickly, important stuff though. For instance "A key reason, surely a very strong one, for “not doubting” the Roman accounts is that the first historian to leave us a record, Tacitus, was a young boy at the time of Boudicca’s rebellion; but more significantly, his father-in-law was a governor in Britannia after the rebellion was crushed so would have had knowledge of the events and have been able to inform Tacitus"
However, as far as I am aware, the evidence is inconclusive. Your comment about romans is absurd, given the level of archaeological material and documentary material about the roman empire... [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 20:13]
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Well apart from them being from a similar time and relying on similar historical sources. Tacitus would have been a young boy in Rome at the time of the boudician revolt. So your saying that tacitus father telling him about the existence of Boudicca is good enough proof but someone telling him about Jesus isn't proof? | | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 20:45 - Dec 24 with 1253 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 18:36 - Dec 24 by GlasgowBlue |
I’m pretty certain that he lived in Judea. There was no such region as Palestine in the 1st century.
The term originated from Syria Palaestina, a name given to Judea by the Romans and after they suppressed and drove the Jews out of the region.
Merry Christmas. [Post edited 24 Dec 2021 18:37]
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It's a bit more complicated than that. The term dates from well before that time. You call it what you want to call it, and I'll call it what I want to call it.
Interestingly you don't refer to the Jews suppressing and driving the Canaanites and Hittites from the region.
But, for the record, Jesus was Jewish. Full-stop. | | | |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 21:46 - Dec 24 with 1196 views | Darth_Koont |
| Johnson doing it for the Christians.... on 17:14 - Dec 24 by GlasgowBlue |
Father Christmas was a Palestinian and if he was alive today he would have been living under Israeli occupation. Frosty the Snowman was also a Palestinian. Building snowmen is a Palestinian tradition that has been appropriated by Zionists. |
Says the weirdo always on the wrong side of history. 😀 | |
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