| FFS Starmer 07:45 - Jun 29 with 11668 views | GlasgowBlue |
Not happy about this latest u turn tbh. Johnson dismantling DfID was a shameful, populist and very harmful move. Starmer gave a pledge to bring it back.
Sorry for going all koonters but he’s u turning on just about everything.
[Post edited 29 Jun 2023 8:07]
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| FFS Starmer on 09:37 - Jun 29 with 1408 views | ElderGrizzly |
Politicians leaking policy ideas to gauge reaction isn't a new thing of course. |  | | |
| FFS Starmer on 09:42 - Jun 29 with 1389 views | GlasgowBlue |
| FFS Starmer on 08:38 - Jun 29 by Guthrum |
That's what i meant. He's going beyond "competent centrism" into aping recent Conservatism. He's already talking about a need for lower taxes, it'll be "Stop the boats!" next. |
I get the ‘Ming Vase’ strategy of not scaring the centre right voters when he has such a commanding lead in the polls. So it’s understandable he distanced himself from the strikes and won’t commit to massive pay increases etc. but some of these u turns are beyond being careful. [Post edited 29 Jun 2023 9:56]
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| FFS Starmer on 09:48 - Jun 29 with 1366 views | GlasgowBlue |
| FFS Starmer on 09:24 - Jun 29 by homer_123 |
Although, it would not be unfair or incorrect to say that pretty much no party delivers on their policies or manifestos. |
This comment made me chuckle
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| FFS Starmer on 09:50 - Jun 29 with 1361 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| FFS Starmer on 09:36 - Jun 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What's your solution? Bitch about Starmer on a football messageboard?
"When it's too late?" So it's not too late now? Brilliant. Where do I sign and what do I need to do? |
Don't say you weren't warned. |  |
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| FFS Starmer on 09:55 - Jun 29 with 1345 views | GlasgowBlue |
| FFS Starmer on 09:15 - Jun 29 by JakeITFC |
Well at least the grown ups are back in charge, eh. |
Thank you for your insightful whabouterry. | |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:03 - Jun 29 with 1314 views | JakeITFC |
| FFS Starmer on 09:55 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
Thank you for your insightful whabouterry. |
Any time. |  | | |
| FFS Starmer on 10:09 - Jun 29 with 1298 views | DJR |
| FFS Starmer on 09:48 - Jun 29 by GlasgowBlue |
This comment made me chuckle
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That is funny, but whatever the merits (or not) of what they are doing, it does seem to be a poor political strategy to have a reputation for flip-flopping in advance of an election. |  | | |
| FFS Starmer on 10:13 - Jun 29 with 1276 views | Swansea_Blue |
It's another 'Starmer considers' piece, without anything actually having happened though. Are they just testing the water to see how things land?
There's a very good case for not admitting to wanting to bring back something like DFID if your sole aim is to win over bigots. If that's his strategy though, it's bl00dy depressing. Agree with you all really - he must do better. |  |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:14 - Jun 29 with 1272 views | Ryorry |
| FFS Starmer on 09:13 - Jun 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You mean when it's too late? But not to worry at that point we can vote in the blue team again. |
“Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable – the art of the next best”
Wrote Otto von Bismarck, who knew a thing or two.
https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-bismarck-idUKKBN0MS51U20150401
Some people on here need to grow up when discussing politics. Do you think shouting out to potential voters at this point "hey, we're going to raise your taxes to implement a policy most of you care a lot less about than the COLC" would be a vote winner for Labour?
Seems to be open season almost daily on here for people to take pot shots at KS & Labour - I'm absolutely sick of it - keep talking them down, extrapolate to the wider population, & we could end up with another Tory govt. You really would have something to moan about then. |  |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:31 - Jun 29 with 1218 views | Darth_Koont |
| FFS Starmer on 10:14 - Jun 29 by Ryorry |
“Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable – the art of the next best”
Wrote Otto von Bismarck, who knew a thing or two.
https://www.reuters.com/article/germany-bismarck-idUKKBN0MS51U20150401
Some people on here need to grow up when discussing politics. Do you think shouting out to potential voters at this point "hey, we're going to raise your taxes to implement a policy most of you care a lot less about than the COLC" would be a vote winner for Labour?
Seems to be open season almost daily on here for people to take pot shots at KS & Labour - I'm absolutely sick of it - keep talking them down, extrapolate to the wider population, & we could end up with another Tory govt. You really would have something to moan about then. |
We’re going to end up with a Tory government whatever happens. This is who the Labour right are.
I’m sick of the denialism. |  |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:32 - Jun 29 with 1217 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
That's not an answer.
Ok, you've warned us, what should we do? |  |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:35 - Jun 29 with 1181 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| FFS Starmer on 10:31 - Jun 29 by Darth_Koont |
We’re going to end up with a Tory government whatever happens. This is who the Labour right are.
I’m sick of the denialism. |
We've had Tory governments my entire adult life but so few seem to have noticed as they keep going back for more. | |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:36 - Jun 29 with 1178 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| FFS Starmer on 10:31 - Jun 29 by Darth_Koont |
We’re going to end up with a Tory government whatever happens. This is who the Labour right are.
I’m sick of the denialism. |
I'll ask you like I've asked Bankster: What's the answer? What do we do about it?
Or are you just shouting into a bin? | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:36 - Jun 29 with 1172 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| FFS Starmer on 10:32 - Jun 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
That's not an answer.
Ok, you've warned us, what should we do? |
Stop enabling them. | |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:37 - Jun 29 with 1169 views | positivity |
| FFS Starmer on 10:13 - Jun 29 by Swansea_Blue |
It's another 'Starmer considers' piece, without anything actually having happened though. Are they just testing the water to see how things land?
There's a very good case for not admitting to wanting to bring back something like DFID if your sole aim is to win over bigots. If that's his strategy though, it's bl00dy depressing. Agree with you all really - he must do better. |
far too much stock put on "considers" pieces.
they can be:-
put out by the person in question to test the water,
put out by other people in the party to push a policy
put out hoping to get a reaction which will sink a policy
put out by political/press opponents to discredit a politician or a policy
the manifesto is what counts, until then look at policy documents or conference speeches for your best interim guide
https://labourlist.org/2023/05/labour-manifesto-2024-election-what-policies-npf- |  |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:37 - Jun 29 with 1166 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Right, so don't vote Labour then? That's your plan? | |
| Trust the process. Trust Phil. |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:43 - Jun 29 with 1153 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| FFS Starmer on 10:37 - Jun 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Right, so don't vote Labour then? That's your plan? |
He really stuck it to them by voting for ‘Singapore on Thames’. | | | |
| FFS Starmer on 10:55 - Jun 29 with 1132 views | positivity |
| FFS Starmer on 10:37 - Jun 29 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Right, so don't vote Labour then? That's your plan? |
from my years of reading bankster's teachings, here's his 4 point plan for revolution
1 go to voting booth
2 cross out candidate's name and replace it with "anna key"
3 giggle all the way home at his superior cunning sticking it to the man
4 sit back and await the inevitable overthrow of western democracy | |
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| FFS Starmer on 10:56 - Jun 29 with 1126 views | giant_stow |
splutter!!!!! From a brexiter, thats left me choking on my conflakes. What a nerve. |  |
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| FFS Starmer on 12:24 - Jun 29 with 1030 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| FFS Starmer on 10:43 - Jun 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
He really stuck it to them by voting for ‘Singapore on Thames’. |
Why would I vote for a multi-state, wage suppressing, offshore pollution enabling, global capitalists' wet dream? | |
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| FFS Starmer on 12:29 - Jun 29 with 1021 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| FFS Starmer on 12:24 - Jun 29 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Why would I vote for a multi-state, wage suppressing, offshore pollution enabling, global capitalists' wet dream? |
Apologies that it’s not registered with you yet…but that’s exactly what you DID vote for. | | | |
| FFS Starmer on 12:33 - Jun 29 with 1009 views | Clapham_Junction |
| FFS Starmer on 09:00 - Jun 29 by itfcjoe |
And retro fitting heat pumps to existing houses is a fools errand - they just don't work well enough |
It really isn't. Heat pumps work even in uninsulated properties. My Dad had one installed in his farmhouse a few years ago and it's been absolutely fine.
The problem is more that there aren't enough good installers or people familiar with how they work. |  | | |
| FFS Starmer on 12:38 - Jun 29 with 994 views | itfcjoe |
| FFS Starmer on 12:33 - Jun 29 by Clapham_Junction |
It really isn't. Heat pumps work even in uninsulated properties. My Dad had one installed in his farmhouse a few years ago and it's been absolutely fine.
The problem is more that there aren't enough good installers or people familiar with how they work. |
Does he have underfloor heating in it? Because without that, or massively oversized radiators it just doesn't work well enough for what people need it to do - i.e. getting a house up to temperature quickly
We've done a number of installations, the only ones where it works are so expensive it is just well off people spending money they'll never ever get back to do the 'right thing' |  |
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| FFS Starmer on 12:45 - Jun 29 with 967 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| FFS Starmer on 12:29 - Jun 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Apologies that it’s not registered with you yet…but that’s exactly what you DID vote for. |
Ah I see you must prefer your Singapore sur-mer. | |
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| FFS Starmer on 12:45 - Jun 29 with 968 views | Clapham_Junction |
| FFS Starmer on 12:38 - Jun 29 by itfcjoe |
Does he have underfloor heating in it? Because without that, or massively oversized radiators it just doesn't work well enough for what people need it to do - i.e. getting a house up to temperature quickly
We've done a number of installations, the only ones where it works are so expensive it is just well off people spending money they'll never ever get back to do the 'right thing' |
No underfloor heating, but larger radiators. However, they can run at high temperatures. A friend had a heat pump installed in an uninsulated solid wall end of terrace house and didn't change the radiators and it works fine too.
If people are operating on the model like my Dad's (low temp/big radiators) it needs a change of mindset - heating is on for longer rather than short bursts. | | | |
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