| Many of you must have voted for this Government 23:09 - Nov 12 with 3652 views | Bluefish |
Are you happy with them? Is there anything that you think they have done well? Do you regret it? |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:32 - Nov 13 with 1162 views | StokieBlue |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 09:54 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
So, you're cool with the racism, incompetence, needless spite towards the poor and vulnerable, impending Brexit-induced economic catastrophe, blatant attempts at undermining democracy, corruption, Michael Gove, governing by soundbite and utter lack of ability to take any kind of responsibility for their actions? [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 10:05]
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The problem is that whilst you are absolutely right he is aligned with a lot more people than the demographics on TWTD would indicate.
Labour are now level but given the absolute rubbish you've outlined in your post and others have in theirs they should be miles ahead. Some people simply aren't willing to either address the issues or don't care as it doesn't affect them directly.
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:33 - Nov 13 with 1161 views | BlueBadger |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:26 - Nov 13 by Wallingford_Boy |
Yep, happy in impossible circumstances.
There really was no other choice, could you imagine if the others had got in?!?!?!
Makes me shudder. |
Yeah, imagine what kind of mess people who were keen to see greater investment in public services(notably healthcare) and reducing the involvement of the Efficient Private Sector in public service provision and protections for working people wold have made. |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:34 - Nov 13 with 1145 views | Half_Idiot |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:31 - Nov 13 by 26_Paz |
No murders then ... I can see genuine criticisms around his policies but just making up he’s murdered people makes one look hysterical and diminishes one’s argument. |
Can you see genuine criticisms for his racism, homophobia and contempt for the poor? |  | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:49 - Nov 13 with 1116 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:33 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
Yeah, imagine what kind of mess people who were keen to see greater investment in public services(notably healthcare) and reducing the involvement of the Efficient Private Sector in public service provision and protections for working people wold have made. |
Who knows how they would have responded. But there would have been a greater chance they would have worked with other nations to share best practice around some of the pandemic responses. So we could well have made full use of the EU PPE procurement and not wasted money and time buying duff gear. We may have had a working track and trace system in place a month or few earlier. We would have had transparent procurement rather than siphoning of £hundreds of millions to their ill-equipped, inexperienced mates and offshore shell companies. And they would probably have had a broader set of measures supporting people during lockdowns (e.g. safety net for self employed). Imagine that!
Mind you, I'm not sure where we would have been with Brexit. They wanted to renegotiate the WA (which people laughed at, but that's exactly what the Tories are trying to do) and then hold another referendum on it. I wouldn't have enjoyed another referendum in the middle of a pandemic, but at least we'd have been given the chance to vote on something concrete I suppose. |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:54 - Nov 13 with 1120 views | Dyland |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:31 - Nov 13 by 26_Paz |
No murders then ... I can see genuine criticisms around his policies but just making up he’s murdered people makes one look hysterical and diminishes one’s argument. |
Totally agree with the point there Pazzers. I don't think it's necessarily hysterical but it does diminish the argument as one can attack only one part of it and obfusacte or ignore the others. This goes on over and over in our political debate. It's enervating and pathetic and inept, from all sides (politicians I mean, rather than posters on here). |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:58 - Nov 13 with 1092 views | footers |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:54 - Nov 13 by Dyland |
Totally agree with the point there Pazzers. I don't think it's necessarily hysterical but it does diminish the argument as one can attack only one part of it and obfusacte or ignore the others. This goes on over and over in our political debate. It's enervating and pathetic and inept, from all sides (politicians I mean, rather than posters on here). |
An uppie for 'enervating'. Excellent word. Have a virtual pint. |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:59 - Nov 13 with 1087 views | Dyland |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:58 - Nov 13 by footers |
An uppie for 'enervating'. Excellent word. Have a virtual pint. |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:03 - Nov 13 with 1082 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:32 - Nov 13 by StokieBlue |
The problem is that whilst you are absolutely right he is aligned with a lot more people than the demographics on TWTD would indicate.
Labour are now level but given the absolute rubbish you've outlined in your post and others have in theirs they should be miles ahead. Some people simply aren't willing to either address the issues or don't care as it doesn't affect them directly.
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You could add “scared of the alternative” to that list.
I’m sure Johnson wouldn’t have had such a thumping majority if there had been a reasonable alternative at the last election. |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:06 - Nov 13 with 1061 views | footers |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:03 - Nov 13 by Pinewoodblue |
You could add “scared of the alternative” to that list.
I’m sure Johnson wouldn’t have had such a thumping majority if there had been a reasonable alternative at the last election. |
But now we have the Chosen Centrist at the helm and he's still not beating him?
Maybe Labour should change tack and start treating the public with contempt. They seem to love it, gluttons for punishment. | |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:11 - Nov 13 with 1053 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:32 - Nov 13 by StokieBlue |
The problem is that whilst you are absolutely right he is aligned with a lot more people than the demographics on TWTD would indicate.
Labour are now level but given the absolute rubbish you've outlined in your post and others have in theirs they should be miles ahead. Some people simply aren't willing to either address the issues or don't care as it doesn't affect them directly.
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It looks like Labour are winning, or at least drawing, then doesn't it?
But with the brilliant First Past the Post system that will probably be enough for a sliver of a majority for the Tories. |  | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:12 - Nov 13 with 1052 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:03 - Nov 13 by Pinewoodblue |
You could add “scared of the alternative” to that list.
I’m sure Johnson wouldn’t have had such a thumping majority if there had been a reasonable alternative at the last election. |
I'm not so sure. The alternative was the same in the previous election but May couldn't put them comprehensively to bed. Don't underestimate the popularity of populism. This Vote Leave government knows what buttons to press to get people on their side. | |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:36 - Nov 13 with 1023 views | CoachRob |
The is a chart from the recent US election comparing vote margins (2016&2020) - everyone seems to be dug in and I am sure it is a similar story here in the UK. |  | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:44 - Nov 13 with 1012 views | SpruceMoose |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:34 - Nov 13 by Half_Idiot |
Can you see genuine criticisms for his racism, homophobia and contempt for the poor? |
Those things are what won Paz's vote. |  |
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| Trying to use the members of this forum..... on 11:47 - Nov 13 with 1007 views | Bloots |
....as some sort of balanced cross section of the country's political views is an exercise in total futility.
It's essentially full of total mentalists desperately waving their shriveled little political willies around.
Luckily we all agree on one thing, Lambert out. |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 12:56 - Nov 13 with 962 views | CrayonKing |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 09:54 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
So, you're cool with the racism, incompetence, needless spite towards the poor and vulnerable, impending Brexit-induced economic catastrophe, blatant attempts at undermining democracy, corruption, Michael Gove, governing by soundbite and utter lack of ability to take any kind of responsibility for their actions? [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 10:05]
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I don't think its fair to conflate voting for a party with being ok with everything they do before or after.
I voted Labour. Following that logic, then I'm ok with anti-semitism, and the piss-poor response to it from the leadership; the lack of campaigning against Brexit from the leader and the terrible Brexit fudge to avoid confronting the issue, in an election that was all about Brexit; the deselection of centrist candidates and factionalism surrounding the leader; the piss-poor leadership in general that struggled to unite the party, let alone a country badly in in need of it.
Hint: I'm not actually ok with any of the above.
Hell, I voted for Blair. That sure as hell doesn't mean I was ok with the Iraq war!
Sometimes you have to vote for the party most-closely aligned to what you believe in and hold your nose to the rest of it. Doesn't mean you agree with everything they say or do. |  | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 13:05 - Nov 13 with 937 views | Half_Idiot |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 12:56 - Nov 13 by CrayonKing |
I don't think its fair to conflate voting for a party with being ok with everything they do before or after.
I voted Labour. Following that logic, then I'm ok with anti-semitism, and the piss-poor response to it from the leadership; the lack of campaigning against Brexit from the leader and the terrible Brexit fudge to avoid confronting the issue, in an election that was all about Brexit; the deselection of centrist candidates and factionalism surrounding the leader; the piss-poor leadership in general that struggled to unite the party, let alone a country badly in in need of it.
Hint: I'm not actually ok with any of the above.
Hell, I voted for Blair. That sure as hell doesn't mean I was ok with the Iraq war!
Sometimes you have to vote for the party most-closely aligned to what you believe in and hold your nose to the rest of it. Doesn't mean you agree with everything they say or do. |
I think it is important to be able to acknowledge the parties faults, hold them reliable and condemn them where necessary though.
If people are ignorant to the issues within a party it allows them to grow and start influencing policies. | | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 13:06 - Nov 13 with 933 views | SpruceMoose |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 12:56 - Nov 13 by CrayonKing |
I don't think its fair to conflate voting for a party with being ok with everything they do before or after.
I voted Labour. Following that logic, then I'm ok with anti-semitism, and the piss-poor response to it from the leadership; the lack of campaigning against Brexit from the leader and the terrible Brexit fudge to avoid confronting the issue, in an election that was all about Brexit; the deselection of centrist candidates and factionalism surrounding the leader; the piss-poor leadership in general that struggled to unite the party, let alone a country badly in in need of it.
Hint: I'm not actually ok with any of the above.
Hell, I voted for Blair. That sure as hell doesn't mean I was ok with the Iraq war!
Sometimes you have to vote for the party most-closely aligned to what you believe in and hold your nose to the rest of it. Doesn't mean you agree with everything they say or do. |
The difference is, you haven't been on here repeatedly saying that the anti-Semitism in the Labour party was fine and that it's just being taken out of context. You weren't writing it off as a joke.
It's not necessarily the voting for them that's the issue (although after this last decade it does somewhat call a Conservative voters beliefs into question), it's the constant need to automatically defend their most egregious and offensive sins.
That's what seperates the reasonable voter from the cultist. [Post edited 13 Nov 2020 13:07]
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 13:10 - Nov 13 with 922 views | CrayonKing |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 13:05 - Nov 13 by Half_Idiot |
I think it is important to be able to acknowledge the parties faults, hold them reliable and condemn them where necessary though.
If people are ignorant to the issues within a party it allows them to grow and start influencing policies. |
Totally, and I struggle to see how anyone could vote for this lot now regardless of where they are on the political spectrum. Who knows, maybe Paz et al will see the corruption and incompetence in this parliament and vote a different way next time.
Just arguing the point that if you voted for them then you stand by everything they do, when that's clearly not the case. | | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 14:49 - Nov 13 with 859 views | CrayonKing |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 11:12 - Nov 13 by Swansea_Blue |
I'm not so sure. The alternative was the same in the previous election but May couldn't put them comprehensively to bed. Don't underestimate the popularity of populism. This Vote Leave government knows what buttons to press to get people on their side. |
There's an interesting analysis of the last election here, along with comparison with the previous one.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/latest-news-and-research/parliamentary-brief
Tory vote only went up by 1.2%, so not the huge swing you'd imagine from the results. So Boris was only slightly more popular than May, who'd previously run the worst Tory campaign anyone can remember!
The deciding factor was labour vote share dropping by a whopping 8%. Lib Dems increased by 4.2%, implying plenty of former labour voters voted Lib Dem this time. Whether that's purely Brexit, dislike of Corbyn, who knows? But if Starmer can start winning them back then that bodes well. Also implies that, hopefully, populism isn't as popular as our electoral system makes it seem. | | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 14:53 - Nov 13 with 853 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 14:49 - Nov 13 by CrayonKing |
There's an interesting analysis of the last election here, along with comparison with the previous one.
https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/latest-news-and-research/parliamentary-brief
Tory vote only went up by 1.2%, so not the huge swing you'd imagine from the results. So Boris was only slightly more popular than May, who'd previously run the worst Tory campaign anyone can remember!
The deciding factor was labour vote share dropping by a whopping 8%. Lib Dems increased by 4.2%, implying plenty of former labour voters voted Lib Dem this time. Whether that's purely Brexit, dislike of Corbyn, who knows? But if Starmer can start winning them back then that bodes well. Also implies that, hopefully, populism isn't as popular as our electoral system makes it seem. |
Guess that this proves my belief that elections are, more often than not, lost rather than won. | |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 15:02 - Nov 13 with 842 views | TieDyedIn95 |
I didn't vote for this Government or even my local MP, which is who you actually vote for in this country, not a Government. My hands are clean.
They are awful but they haven't blown any Iraqi children to pieces yet, so that's good... assume you will be taking equal responsibility for as that's what a Government you voted for did in office? Happy with that? |  |
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| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 15:59 - Nov 13 with 815 views | CrayonKing |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 15:02 - Nov 13 by TieDyedIn95 |
I didn't vote for this Government or even my local MP, which is who you actually vote for in this country, not a Government. My hands are clean.
They are awful but they haven't blown any Iraqi children to pieces yet, so that's good... assume you will be taking equal responsibility for as that's what a Government you voted for did in office? Happy with that? |
although to be fair, roughly 1/3 of Labour MPs defied the whip and voted against it or abstained (chart at the bottom). In fact if the tories who now pretend they had nothing to do with it had voted against it then the govt would have lost the vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Parliamentary_approval_for_the_invasion_of | | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 16:48 - Nov 13 with 784 views | solomon |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:33 - Nov 13 by BlueBadger |
Yeah, imagine what kind of mess people who were keen to see greater investment in public services(notably healthcare) and reducing the involvement of the Efficient Private Sector in public service provision and protections for working people wold have made. |
All very true, if only he’d kicked out the antisemites we’d all be better off by now, he just couldn’t help himself and stuffed it up for the rest of us. |  | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 16:56 - Nov 13 with 776 views | IpswichBoyBlue |
They rejected your petition, so something to be pleased about I guess. |  | | |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 17:01 - Nov 13 with 771 views | Darth_Koont |
| Many of you must have voted for this Government on 10:32 - Nov 13 by StokieBlue |
The problem is that whilst you are absolutely right he is aligned with a lot more people than the demographics on TWTD would indicate.
Labour are now level but given the absolute rubbish you've outlined in your post and others have in theirs they should be miles ahead. Some people simply aren't willing to either address the issues or don't care as it doesn't affect them directly.
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It’s all so horribly predictable.
With a seemingly firm 40% of the electorate, the Tories won’t be defeated on their lack of competence. It’s not even registering as an issue. |  |
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