| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? 10:18 - Dec 19 with 6568 views | GlasgowBlue |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:05 - Dec 19 with 2188 views | ZXBlue |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:03 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Sorry not sure I understand your point. Are you saying direct action is ok if your cause is (to your way of thinking) rational and therefore reasonable?
If so, surely you can spot the flaw in this logic. |
No. I am saying that some people think it is, if the cause is sound.
This is cause is plainly nonsense. The man needs locking up. You dont even have to get to the debate about one person's freedome fighter being another;s terrorist. |  | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:07 - Dec 19 with 2171 views | jeera |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 16:52 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Isn’t this the natural outcome if you support direct action by any small group of people who believe they have the true enlightened view of what is right or wrong and that their views must take precedence even when they are at variance with society at large.
Whether it’s torching MPs offices, pulling down statues, objecting to parliamentary bills, extinction rebellion etc how can you say one is ok but others are not.
It’s interesting that the comments above are all negative decrying this action but when it’s a cause that they agree with there are plenty of people who supported direct action. |
"Whether it’s torching MPs offices, pulling down statues, objecting to parliamentary bills, extinction rebellion etc how can you say one is ok but others are not."
Well you would certainly hope not wouldn't you?
I'm not sure that some of those things listed are in quite the same territory as hammering someone to death or torching their place of work.
Even if they are a Tory, a line has to be drawn somewhere. |  |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:09 - Dec 19 with 2170 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:05 - Dec 19 by ZXBlue |
No. I am saying that some people think it is, if the cause is sound.
This is cause is plainly nonsense. The man needs locking up. You dont even have to get to the debate about one person's freedome fighter being another;s terrorist. |
The difficulty is who gets to decide which causes are plainly nonsense, and which causes are valid. |  | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:10 - Dec 19 with 2164 views | CrayonKing |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 11:28 - Dec 19 by BlueBadger |
Imagine being so interested in people's wellbeing you side with far-right Tories.
See also: Brexit. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 14:15]
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Horseshoe theory in action! |  | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:11 - Dec 19 with 2162 views | positivity |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:09 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
The difficulty is who gets to decide which causes are plainly nonsense, and which causes are valid. |
the massive difference is the incitement to violence, and the lack of truthfulness of the cause in question | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:12 - Dec 19 with 2156 views | jeera |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:09 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
The difficulty is who gets to decide which causes are plainly nonsense, and which causes are valid. |
MPs have been murdered and this man is inciting more violence.
Although he is clearly unwell he is also a public menace and has to be treated as such.
I can't see any other valid angle to this. | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:14 - Dec 19 with 2153 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:09 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
The difficulty is who gets to decide which causes are plainly nonsense, and which causes are valid. |
By the way I agree with the sentiment that Corbin is a nutter but if we take a less clear cut situation such as the insulate Britain crowd I might also think that they are all nutters but plenty of people will beg to differ. | | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:14 - Dec 19 with 2153 views | ZXBlue |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:09 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
The difficulty is who gets to decide which causes are plainly nonsense, and which causes are valid. |
Its not a difficulty here. | | | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:14 - Dec 19 with 2146 views | ZXBlue |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:12 - Dec 19 by jeera |
MPs have been murdered and this man is inciting more violence.
Although he is clearly unwell he is also a public menace and has to be treated as such.
I can't see any other valid angle to this. |
Not at all convinced he is unwell. | | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:15 - Dec 19 with 2141 views | BLUEBEAT |
White Man Can Rap
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:18 - Dec 19 with 2123 views | jeera |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:14 - Dec 19 by ZXBlue |
Not at all convinced he is unwell. |
Well he's not fecking normal. | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:20 - Dec 19 with 2118 views | positivity |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:14 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
By the way I agree with the sentiment that Corbin is a nutter but if we take a less clear cut situation such as the insulate Britain crowd I might also think that they are all nutters but plenty of people will beg to differ. |
but insulate britain or brexiteers or any other cause haven't incited violence.
if insulate britain or lord frost had suggested murdering mps, they'd also be locked up | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:29 - Dec 19 with 2089 views | giant_stow |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:15 - Dec 19 by BLUEBEAT |
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More evidence for the 'he's unwell' theory there, i reckon. |  |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:31 - Dec 19 with 2082 views | ZXBlue |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:29 - Dec 19 by giant_stow |
More evidence for the 'he's unwell' theory there, i reckon. |
I dont think you can label people with bizarre ideas and worldviews as unwell. | | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:35 - Dec 19 with 2070 views | giant_stow |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:31 - Dec 19 by ZXBlue |
I dont think you can label people with bizarre ideas and worldviews as unwell. |
I'm not suggesting he's unwell because of his opinions - it's the look in his eyes. Perhaps thats an even worse thing to say, but that's the impression I'm left with. | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:39 - Dec 19 with 2057 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:12 - Dec 19 by jeera |
MPs have been murdered and this man is inciting more violence.
Although he is clearly unwell he is also a public menace and has to be treated as such.
I can't see any other valid angle to this. |
Insulate Britain protestors have held up ambulances and caused great distress to many. They are inciting more direct action.
Clearly they are misguided. They are a public menace and should be treated as such.
You might or might not agree with direct action as encouraged by Corbin and or by IB but even if everyone accepted the obvious (to me) absurdity of Corbyns cause who should arbitrate the IB actions?
Once you accept direct action you legitimise actions that otherwise would be considered unacceptable. | | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:43 - Dec 19 with 2041 views | jeera |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:39 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Insulate Britain protestors have held up ambulances and caused great distress to many. They are inciting more direct action.
Clearly they are misguided. They are a public menace and should be treated as such.
You might or might not agree with direct action as encouraged by Corbin and or by IB but even if everyone accepted the obvious (to me) absurdity of Corbyns cause who should arbitrate the IB actions?
Once you accept direct action you legitimise actions that otherwise would be considered unacceptable. |
I think you are trying too hard but apparently you're not alone on that front so I'll leave you all to it! | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 18:05 - Dec 19 with 2002 views | positivity |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:39 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Insulate Britain protestors have held up ambulances and caused great distress to many. They are inciting more direct action.
Clearly they are misguided. They are a public menace and should be treated as such.
You might or might not agree with direct action as encouraged by Corbin and or by IB but even if everyone accepted the obvious (to me) absurdity of Corbyns cause who should arbitrate the IB actions?
Once you accept direct action you legitimise actions that otherwise would be considered unacceptable. |
there's a massive difference between peaceful protest (even where it's disruptive) and incitement to murder.
there are plenty of people who cause great distress to many and who cause ambulance delays(some of those are in government), i wouldn't lock them up either | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 19:30 - Dec 19 with 1924 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 18:05 - Dec 19 by positivity |
there's a massive difference between peaceful protest (even where it's disruptive) and incitement to murder.
there are plenty of people who cause great distress to many and who cause ambulance delays(some of those are in government), i wouldn't lock them up either |
Quite. I believe that Insulate Britain's policy was to not deliberately block any emergency vehicles (although I'd imagine some were held up due to the congestion). Similar congestion is also caused by roadworks, idiots causing crashes and general congestion in any case. I've been gridlocked on the M25 plenty of times long before any of us had heard of IB or Extinction Rebellion. IB were also calling for measures that would save all of us money and reduce fuel use, thereby contributing towards national emission targets. So a worthy aim even if it did piss people off.
It's hardly the same as encouraging people to burn down MP offices. You'd have to have a seriously warped outlook to think it was. Funny how people complaining about IB aren't vocal about the far larger and more widespread delays to ambulances caused by the running down of the NHS, innit?! |  |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 19:32 - Dec 19 with 1920 views | Swansea_Blue |
PS. Yes, it certainly seems time to lock the fruitloop up. Surely that's inciting violence and hate speech against public officials? Throw in the undermining of public health messages during a global pandemic, and he deserves to be charged, tried and (hopefully) sentenced. | |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 20:26 - Dec 19 with 1866 views | XYZ |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:09 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
The difficulty is who gets to decide which causes are plainly nonsense, and which causes are valid. |
Yeah, why do women need to vote anyway? | | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 20:28 - Dec 19 with 1861 views | XYZ |
Yaxley-Lennon style martyrdom awaits him ... | | | |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 22:45 - Dec 19 with 1798 views | Herbivore |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:39 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
Insulate Britain protestors have held up ambulances and caused great distress to many. They are inciting more direct action.
Clearly they are misguided. They are a public menace and should be treated as such.
You might or might not agree with direct action as encouraged by Corbin and or by IB but even if everyone accepted the obvious (to me) absurdity of Corbyns cause who should arbitrate the IB actions?
Once you accept direct action you legitimise actions that otherwise would be considered unacceptable. |
You do know that plenty of Insulate Britain protestors have also been locked up for breaking the law, right? Piers Corbyn is potentially inciting violence, which is a criminal offence. I'm really not sure what your argument is here. |  |
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| Piers Corbyn arrested on 22:50 - Dec 19 with 1783 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Good.
It is incitement to terrorism isn't it? Hate preaching.
This ought to be a very serious offence. |  |
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| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 22:54 - Dec 19 with 1776 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Time to lock up Piers Corbyn? on 17:09 - Dec 19 by Crawfordsboot |
The difficulty is who gets to decide which causes are plainly nonsense, and which causes are valid. |
There is (or should be) a right to protest. Nobody was preventing anti-Covid restriction demonstrations in London yesterday (and neither should they be).
However, there is a clear difference between tearing down statues (which is still a criminal offence) and incitement to terrorism (go and take a hammer to someone and burn down their office).
Even if someone advocated these things for a cause I strongly believe in, they would and should be roundly condemned for it. | |
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