| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... 12:38 - Sep 1 with 7607 views | itfcjoe |
....that pesky agent has really messed him up |  |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:09 - Sep 1 with 1283 views | bluestandard |
Certainly no qualms that the agent did their job.
Broadening out the discussion just a bit, I was speaking to a business owner yesterday, and his 'stock' conversation with new trainees was along the lines of:-
'On day 1, you have no value to my company, but that ok because I'm going to invest in you, train you and help you become valuable. I'll be overpaying you for 2 years and underpaying you for 1 year. That's the deal. We can then talk terms again in year 4. Are you ok with that?'.
Town aren't training players as a service for other clubs. Simpson was developed by Town, yet the only club to have benefited thus far is Swindon. He comes back from the loan effectively saying 'forget the last few years, I'm valuable now so pay me what I'm worth now.' Its the world we live in I guess, but I for one think it leaves a slightly sour taste. |  | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:12 - Sep 1 with 1264 views | PhilTWTD |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 13:59 - Sep 1 by BseaBlue |
The only thing I can think of is that KM wanted to have a look at him maybe? But otherwise, its hard to argue with that.
Maybe we were hoping to get a deal tied down and then send him to a lower league 1 side. |
Think it was more a case of using his return as a carrot to get him to sign; put pen to paper here and you can go back to Swindon. |  | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:15 - Sep 1 with 1245 views | sw20tractor |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 13:12 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
I think we may have been overly rigid in what was offered to him, but perhaps that was as he wasn't rated particularly highly. Having said that, it's pretty similar to the Liam Gibbs situation a year earlier.
Think bringing players through from being senior U23s, so to speak, to first-teamers is something we have to work on. We've lost too many players lately at that stage. Dobra's another, apparently lots of clubs from higher divisions already turning up at Chesterfield to watch him. |
Surely this is worth bringing up during the next supporters forum. Would be interesting to get the ITFC view. |  | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:15 - Sep 1 with 1242 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:09 - Sep 1 by bluestandard |
Certainly no qualms that the agent did their job.
Broadening out the discussion just a bit, I was speaking to a business owner yesterday, and his 'stock' conversation with new trainees was along the lines of:-
'On day 1, you have no value to my company, but that ok because I'm going to invest in you, train you and help you become valuable. I'll be overpaying you for 2 years and underpaying you for 1 year. That's the deal. We can then talk terms again in year 4. Are you ok with that?'.
Town aren't training players as a service for other clubs. Simpson was developed by Town, yet the only club to have benefited thus far is Swindon. He comes back from the loan effectively saying 'forget the last few years, I'm valuable now so pay me what I'm worth now.' Its the world we live in I guess, but I for one think it leaves a slightly sour taste. |
That is a ridiculous outlook from the business owner. Of course I don't know what he does but people will be valuable on day 1 if he let them be - energy, new ideas, perspective etc. | | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:16 - Sep 1 with 1250 views | itfcjoe |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:09 - Sep 1 by bluestandard |
Certainly no qualms that the agent did their job.
Broadening out the discussion just a bit, I was speaking to a business owner yesterday, and his 'stock' conversation with new trainees was along the lines of:-
'On day 1, you have no value to my company, but that ok because I'm going to invest in you, train you and help you become valuable. I'll be overpaying you for 2 years and underpaying you for 1 year. That's the deal. We can then talk terms again in year 4. Are you ok with that?'.
Town aren't training players as a service for other clubs. Simpson was developed by Town, yet the only club to have benefited thus far is Swindon. He comes back from the loan effectively saying 'forget the last few years, I'm valuable now so pay me what I'm worth now.' Its the world we live in I guess, but I for one think it leaves a slightly sour taste. |
I think it's a naive view from that business owner, and if it takes 2 years for them to be valuable then he needs to write contracts that cover this.
In my industry, construction, it's much more dog eat dog - you have to pay people what they are worth when they are worth it or offer working conditions which are worth staying for.
Too many business owners these days think that employees owe them something, that isn't the case any more - the good employees hold power, gone are the days of starting at a company and staying there for 25 years, businesses have to adapt to modern workers | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:17 - Sep 1 with 1232 views | Radlett_blue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 13:10 - Sep 1 by Jimmy86 |
Well clearly the club didn't value him as much as he valued himself I'm guessing? I think Ashton and the new owners have certainly got more right than they have wrong, thus far.
I still think if he was good enough, he would have had more opportunities here |
Yesh, will be interesting to see how much game time Simpson gets at Huddersfield, where he can link up with Jordan Rhodes. |  |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:31 - Sep 1 with 1202 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:17 - Sep 1 by Radlett_blue |
Yesh, will be interesting to see how much game time Simpson gets at Huddersfield, where he can link up with Jordan Rhodes. |
Each Simpson's goal for Huddersfield = 5/6 pagers on the TWTD forum ;) |  | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:59 - Sep 1 with 1135 views | MalcolmBlue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:16 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
I think it's a naive view from that business owner, and if it takes 2 years for them to be valuable then he needs to write contracts that cover this.
In my industry, construction, it's much more dog eat dog - you have to pay people what they are worth when they are worth it or offer working conditions which are worth staying for.
Too many business owners these days think that employees owe them something, that isn't the case any more - the good employees hold power, gone are the days of starting at a company and staying there for 25 years, businesses have to adapt to modern workers |
Yo Joe, are you boys doing a deadline day live BM podcast later? |  |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:09 - Sep 1 with 1092 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 13:12 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
I think we may have been overly rigid in what was offered to him, but perhaps that was as he wasn't rated particularly highly. Having said that, it's pretty similar to the Liam Gibbs situation a year earlier.
Think bringing players through from being senior U23s, so to speak, to first-teamers is something we have to work on. We've lost too many players lately at that stage. Dobra's another, apparently lots of clubs from higher divisions already turning up at Chesterfield to watch him. |
5m move to arsenal still on for Dobra. |  |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:10 - Sep 1 with 1102 views | itfcjoe |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:59 - Sep 1 by MalcolmBlue |
Yo Joe, are you boys doing a deadline day live BM podcast later? |
We are, just working out whether to go live around 8pm, or go at around 10pm until window closes - will depend on the status of these deals! | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:14 - Sep 1 with 1076 views | FrimleyBlue |
Lots of comments from Huddersfield supporters saying he's injured until after Xmas..... is that true? If so. To get 500k is a cracking deal. | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:16 - Sep 1 with 1081 views | PhilTWTD |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:14 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Lots of comments from Huddersfield supporters saying he's injured until after Xmas..... is that true? If so. To get 500k is a cracking deal. |
Heard a whisper he has a knee problem which emerged in the medical, which may well have been part of the delay in announcing. | | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:17 - Sep 1 with 1076 views | clive_baker |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:14 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
Lots of comments from Huddersfield supporters saying he's injured until after Xmas..... is that true? If so. To get 500k is a cracking deal. |
Their statement upon signing him said they expect him out until the World Cup break, so Nov / Dec. |  |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:22 - Sep 1 with 1038 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:16 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
Heard a whisper he has a knee problem which emerged in the medical, which may well have been part of the delay in announcing. |
With how precise we are in the fitness side of things,, perhaps that explains our unwillingness to offer much higher terms? | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:23 - Sep 1 with 1040 views | MalcolmBlue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:10 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
We are, just working out whether to go live around 8pm, or go at around 10pm until window closes - will depend on the status of these deals! |
Thanks a lot | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:37 - Sep 1 with 974 views | PhilTWTD |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:22 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
With how precise we are in the fitness side of things,, perhaps that explains our unwillingness to offer much higher terms? |
I doubt he had the problem towards the end of last season when contract talks broke down. | | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:56 - Sep 1 with 912 views | J2BLUE |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 15:09 - Sep 1 by bluestandard |
Certainly no qualms that the agent did their job.
Broadening out the discussion just a bit, I was speaking to a business owner yesterday, and his 'stock' conversation with new trainees was along the lines of:-
'On day 1, you have no value to my company, but that ok because I'm going to invest in you, train you and help you become valuable. I'll be overpaying you for 2 years and underpaying you for 1 year. That's the deal. We can then talk terms again in year 4. Are you ok with that?'.
Town aren't training players as a service for other clubs. Simpson was developed by Town, yet the only club to have benefited thus far is Swindon. He comes back from the loan effectively saying 'forget the last few years, I'm valuable now so pay me what I'm worth now.' Its the world we live in I guess, but I for one think it leaves a slightly sour taste. |
This is one of those classic examples where someone thinks they are clever and really just make themselves look a knob.
The business owner, not you. |  |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 17:22 - Sep 1 with 845 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:37 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
I doubt he had the problem towards the end of last season when contract talks broke down. |
He's picked it up whilst not playing football? | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 17:25 - Sep 1 with 842 views | PhilTWTD |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 17:22 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
He's picked it up whilst not playing football? |
I assume he has been doing some training, but actually could have been a longer-standing thing. | | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 17:28 - Sep 1 with 822 views | FrimleyBlue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 17:25 - Sep 1 by PhilTWTD |
I assume he has been doing some training, but actually could have been a longer-standing thing. |
What was the injury he missed 1st team training for back end of last season? ( when he said he wasn't injured but KM said he was ) | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 18:29 - Sep 1 with 748 views | Radlett_blue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 16:09 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
5m move to arsenal still on for Dobra. |
Hmm...no-one really wanted us to accept Brighton's offer for Dobra a couple of years a go, did they? Although with hindsight, it would have been the right decision. I do think we often over-rate our young players. | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 18:48 - Sep 1 with 724 views | PhilTWTD |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 17:28 - Sep 1 by FrimleyBlue |
What was the injury he missed 1st team training for back end of last season? ( when he said he wasn't injured but KM said he was ) |
That I can't remember. | | | |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 18:54 - Sep 1 with 702 views | SlippinJimmyJuan |
Short term financial gain certainly, but we will see how it goes for him. I don't think he comes out of this looking great, although modern football very rarely seems to care. I don't really wish him well, I'm just kind of meh. | |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 20:59 - Sep 1 with 630 views | LeoMuff |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 12:55 - Sep 1 by itfcjoe |
In what world does a 4 year contract increase the risk of failure? Huddersfield have made a big investment in him and will be determined to get it right or give him at the very least the best opportunity to. |
It’s not the contract, its going higher up the pyramid when your not ready and not getting that game time you need to develop in the lower leagues, maybe he will go on loan but how many times have we seen players jump a few leagues too young and early and end up lower than when they started. |  |
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| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 21:41 - Sep 1 with 577 views | southnorfolkblue |
| 4 year contract for Simpson at a Championship club.... on 14:03 - Sep 1 by jayessess |
Contract expires next June, now considered unlikely to sign the new deal offered to him and likely to move on (West Ham showed some interest in May). |
Also apparently tweeted something today congratulating Simpson on getting his rewards for waiting it out. Just hope that if he doesn’t want to be here that we don’t end up with the protracted nonsense that went on with Simpson. If he doesn’t want to be here, move him on asap | |
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